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[jeweledleah]

I don't think the trope applies to asari. they happen to look like females, but as their are mono gendered species, they don't have a gender preference. it has no meaning for them.



sensual component of touch could and probably was present, humans cannot possibly be the only tactile creature. all I'm saying is that its not necessary for procreation. its an added, pleasurable bonus so to speak.

[Kronner]

jlb524 wrote...

Again, what does 'mono-gendered' have to do with it. Even one-gendered species can evolve to prefer one gender, i.e., their own.

Why do you think asari can't like the other species? They obviously do. Why should they prefer female or male gender of the other species?

jlb524 wrote...
The asari do not take genetic material from their partners...another asari is just as capable of providing whatever is needed to trigger reproduction.

They pretty much need it by now, otherwise they are gonna degenerate as a species.
Pure blood asari can't procreate effectively.

jlb524 wrote...
That...makes no sense. I don't think they are similar...that's what I'm arguing...thus I think it ridiculous they are attracted to men and should only be attracted to other asari. I'm calling that 'lesbian' as it is, aesthetically from our perspective. I guess 'technically' it wouldn't be, though.

I also think the 'definition' of asari is bogus/whack/offensive and this is what I'm contesting here.

If you don't think they are similar, why do you claim asari are lesbians? What definition is offensive? And why?

Modifié par Kronner, 14 février 2011 - 08:00 .

[Siansonea]

Severyx wrote...

@LesEnfantsTerribles I respect that such is your belief and opinion, but the problem is that you are bringing beliefs into a fact-based debate. I'm doing my best to stick to pre-established canon information to explain how the asari reproductive process renders the argument that asari wouldn't like physical intercourse moot.

@Siansonea II The reason why most of your post can't be credibly considered is the same as a few others. You base your explanation on inclination when I've already used in-game facts to point out that this whole argument isn't even necessary. Additionally, you're using human evolutionary details to explain why it's a reasonable idea that a completely different species would specifically accommodate them. A good deal of asari were born long before humans even joined the galactic community, so this is not plausible.

All one has to do is look at an asari and a human female side-by-side to recognize that asari evolution parallels human evolution pretty closely. I imagine that the degree of similarity that encompasses the very human characteristics we see in the asari extends to their nether regions and innards as well. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it is genetically similar to a duck.

[TheMarshal]

naledgeborn wrote...

You raise a good point. This would seem to be the case on Asari dominated or Asari-only worlds. On places like the Citadel where the population is pretty much a melting pot you'd see more Asari/non-Asari pairings.

Except that on Illium, an asari-dominated world, we are able to overhear conversations between two asari who are expressing their disdain for the "pureblood" vendor, indicating that the stigma is pretty strong even on worlds where options are 'limited'.  Don't get me wrong, I think the stigma (like most social stigmas) is pretty silly to begin with, but it's still there.

[jeweledleah]

pure blood asari CAN procreate effectively, its just seen as a stigma, partly due to pure blood children being more likely to be born Ardat-yakshi. not that all pureblood children are, just that its much more likely, even if still rare.

edited to add - the stigma ONLY applies to procreation.  there is NO stigma to having a relationship with another asari and merely use a different species donor for childbirth.

remember, asari don't see sexuality the same way we do.  according to what we learn in game, its fairly common for a couple to get together once, purely for procreation and then part ways

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 08:04 .

[Kronner]

jeweledleah wrote...

pure blood asari CAN procreate effectively, its just seen as a stigma, partly due to pure blood children being more likely to be born Ardat-yakshi. not that all pureblood children are, just that its much more likely, even if still rare.

Which makes it less effective than asari + other species. So asari + asari => ineffective

[jeweledleah]

Kronner wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

pure blood asari CAN procreate effectively, its just seen as a stigma, partly due to pure blood children being more likely to be born Ardat-yakshi. not that all pureblood children are, just that its much more likely, even if still rare.

Which makes it less effective than asari + other species. So asari + asari => ineffective

http://mw1.m-w.com/d...ry/ineffective  asari are perfectly capable of having children with eachother.  they have been doing it that way far longer then then they have been procreating with other species.  that ability didn't atrophy.

[NICKjnp]

jeweledleah wrote...

pure blood asari CAN procreate effectively, its just seen as a stigma, partly due to pure blood children being more likely to be born Ardat-yakshi. not that all pureblood children are, just that its much more likely, even if still rare.

edited to add - the stigma ONLY applies to procreation.  there is NO stigma to having a relationship with another asari and merely use a different species donor for childbirth.

remember, asari don't see sexuality the same way we do.  according to what we learn in game, its fairly common for a couple to get together once, purely for procreation and then part ways

The way it is explained in game is that the genetic problem is with the Asari mother and not the child.  So Samara is the one who "makes" purebloods.  Morinth and her sisters could have easily come from a pairing where Samara mated with another species.

[Kronner]

Caythark wrote...

oh they don´t like it I´m sure, on several years of research and empirical surveys 76% of all women do not like sex with men,they do it because they believe society expects it of them.
and I´m sure 100% don´t like to have sex with a narrow-minded wannabe like you!

You must be very smart.

[Sable Phoenix]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't know...imagine if we met an alien species that wanted to have sex by pulling on your hair really really hard.  Basically, I think there are also psychological barriers that would stop the asari from desiring this type of sex and not just physical ones.

Heheh... that immediately made me think of this.

What?  It's applicable.  That might just be the most realistic portrayal of sex with an alien ever.

[jeweledleah]

ok, I;m getting sidetracked here for a second. did I misunderstand or did you just say that survey saying 76% of all women don't like sex with men?



mind. blown

[jlb524]

Kronner wrote...

Why do you think asari can't like the other species? They obviously do. Why should they prefer female or male gender of the other species?

Why do you prefer one gender over the other?  I think it has something to do with evolution...

Why don't you like mating with farm animals?

Kronner wrote...
They pretty much need it by now, otherwise they are gonna degenerate as a species.
Pure blood asari can't procreate effectively.

That's not remotely true.  Liara is a product of a pureblood union...as is Samara....as is other asariwe see on Illium.

Kronner wrote...

If you don't think they are similar, why do you claim asari are lesbians? What definition is offensive? And why?

Have you read anything I've been posting here?  I explained why I find the asari offensive.  I said they were 'aesthetically lesbian' to our eyes due to the fact that they look like female women.

[Moronic Fool]

Seems like it's nothing but feminists here, no offense. And you people attacked a guy for a crappy joke? That's REAL mature.

[AlexMBrennan]

Keep in mind that 84% of statistics are made up on the spot; this doesn't matter because most people don't understand statistics anyway though.

You think given that they did have sex for thousands and thousand of years with just themselves and that they evolved this way, that they would only desire the feminine form....but, NOOOOOOO! They look female so they must obviously be attracted to men too

Just because they evolved without contact to human-looking males does not necessarily mean that they would not be attracted to them - a otherwise useful evolutionary strategy could, as an "unintended" side effect cause attraction/lack of repulsion to human males (cf Dawkins on religion in humans)

[jlb524]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I don't know...imagine if we met an alien species that wanted to have sex by pulling on your hair really really hard.  Basically, I think there are also psychological barriers that would stop the asari from desiring this type of sex and not just physical ones.

Heheh... that immediately made me think of this.

What?  It's applicable.  That might just be the most realistic portrayal of sex with an alien ever.

It is totally applicable.

[Kronner]

jlb524 wrote...

Why do you prefer one gender over the other?  I think it has something to do with evolution...

Because that's the way it is. It is natural. If I met an asari tomorrow..who knows.

jlb524 wrote...
Why don't you like mating with farm animals?

So you are comparing humans to farm animals now? For all you know, you might love an alien if you ever meet one.

jlb524 wrote...
That's not remotely true.  Liara is a product of a pureblood union...as is Samara....as is other asariwe see on Illium.

Yes, they are. But it is still less effective than asari + say krogan, just because of the ardat yakshi risk. I could have worded that better though.

jlb524 wrote...
Have you read anything I've been posting here?  I explained why I find the asari offensive.  I said they were 'aesthetically lesbian' to our eyes due to the fact that they look like female women.

Funny, they do not look 'aesthetically lesbian' to me at all. They are aliens, so I do not compare them to humans just based on their looks.

Modifié par Kronner, 14 février 2011 - 08:20 .

[Kronner]

Caythark wrote...

read my sig!

Yes, I am sure your mommy is proud.

Modifié par Kronner, 14 février 2011 - 08:19 .

[Sentox6]

Siansonea II wrote...
If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, chances are it is genetically similar to a duck.

Or it's the genetic destiny of the Krogan.

Modifié par Sentox6, 14 février 2011 - 08:26 .

[jeweledleah]

I think the mistake we're making here is seeing asari as if they were human and therefore approaching relationships as humans. they don't.

gender is meaningless to asari. and they have been mingling with other species for a long time now, even by asari standards.  if they can fall in love with Krogan who look nothing like asari, what's to stop them from feeling anything for a human male? 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 08:23 .

[jlb524]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Just because they evolved without contact to human-looking males does not necessarily mean that they would not be attracted to them - a otherwise useful evolutionary strategy could, as an "unintended" side effect cause attraction/lack of repulsion to human males (cf Dawkins on religion in humans)

It also doesn't mean they should be attracted to males and honestly, it makes a lot more sense for them not to be than for them to be...  Most human men aren't attracted to males, I take it.

Either way, I don't care what ingame justifications you give...the fact that they were designed this way in the first place is what I find troubling, given that they could have been designed in many other ways, one in which involving only being attracted to other asari (which would even make sense!)

Why didn't they go this route with the asari instead?  Why must they also be attracted to maliens?

[jeweledleah]

asari were designed to be atracted to any sentient species regardless of gender. why should human males be excluded?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 08:24 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Kronner wrote...
Funny, they do not look 'aesthetically lesbian' to me at all. They are aliens, so I do not compare them to humans just based on their looks.

But you're judging... their looks.  Most people compare a creature's looks when judging how they look.

Maybe you don't know what "looks" means.  I've already been given the impression that you don't know what "effective" means, so it's not that far of a stretch.  /ponder

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 14 février 2011 - 08:26 .