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[Chewin]

Keep in mind that during mating, an asari and her partner share memories, thoughts, and feelings. This inclines that the asari nows specifically want the partner wants...I think

[jlb524]

Kronner wrote...

Because that's the way it is. It is natural. If I met an asari tomorrow..who knows.

And I'm claiming it's natural for asari to only be attracted to other asari...given evolution/biology and such.  Why dont' these rules apply to them?

Kronner wrote...

So you are comparing humans to farm animals now? For all you know, you might love an alien if you ever meet one.

Not really...I was just using hyberbole in yeat another attempt to explain something that you just don't get.

Kronner wrote...

Yes, they are. But it is still less effective than asari + say krogan, just because of the ardat yakshi risk. I could have worded that better though.

The AY risk is so small it's not even a concern.  Humans run the risk of producing offspring with many genetic defects but they still do it, last tiime I checked...

Kronner wrote...

Funny, they do not look 'aesthetically lesbian' to me at all. They are aliens, so I do not compare them to humans just based on their looks.

Oh, yes...asari don't look like human women at all

[Sentox6]

jlb524 wrote...
Have you read anything I've been posting here? I explained why I find the asari offensive. I said they were 'aesthetically lesbian' to our eyes due to the fact that they look like female women.

So your line of reasoning is:

1) Asari are aesthetically female (from a human perspective).
2) Asari are monogendered, so before contact with other species, their relationships were always aesthetically lesbian (from a human perspective).
3) Because of observed Asari/Male relationships, the species embodies the trope of every woman needing a man.

Well, we're all entitled to our own opinion. That's way, way too tenuous for me, though.

Modifié par Sentox6, 14 février 2011 - 08:27 .

[jlb524]

jeweledleah wrote...

asari were designed to be atracted to any sentient species regardless of gender. why should human males be excluded?

And that's exactly what I have a problem with...I don't like that they were designed as such.

[NICKjnp]

jeweledleah wrote...

asari were designed to be atracted to any sentient species regardless of gender. why should human males be excluded?

Because they were designed for teenage boys who think lesbians are cool instead of actual lesbian gamers.  Come one Bioware...you need to own up to that fact or make an all male species that Maleshep and Femshep can both romance.  Vorcha for M/M and F/M LI in ME3.

[Kronner]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Kronner wrote...
Funny, they do not look 'aesthetically lesbian' to me at all. They are aliens, so I do not compare them to humans just based on their looks.

But you're judging... their looks.  Most people compare a creature's looks when judging how they look.

Maybe you don't know what "looks" means.  I've already been given the impression that you don't know what "effective" means, so it's not that far of a stretch.  /ponder

I am not judging their looks. I am not judging anything. They are alien, they are designed to look like that. I am not the one who takes human characteristics and forces it on the asari. To me, it makes sense they are attracted to most all species and both genders. And yes, I probably could have worded the thing about effectivity better, but it is still true. Asari + other species is better than asari + asari, so the former is more effective. That is a simple fact.

[jeweledleah]

jlb524 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

asari were designed to be atracted to any sentient species regardless of gender. why should human males be excluded?

And that's exactly what I have a problem with...I don't like that they were designed as such.

now I'm completely confused.  you dislike the fact that they were designed NOT to be a very cheesy trope?

if we're getting male only species, can we get something that's slightly more atractive then vorcha?  please?

or at least something that lives longer then 20 years and is able to speak coherently?

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 08:30 .

[Sentox6]

jlb524 wrote...

And that's exactly what I have a problem with...I don't like that they were designed as such.

So which is it? Is it the Anything That Moves or Every Woman Needs a Man trope that you're objecting to? It can't really be both.

Modifié par Sentox6, 14 février 2011 - 08:29 .

[Sable Phoenix]

Okay, can we lay off the insults?  The thread will get locked soon if it continues being an arguing ground, and the topic doesn't deserve that.  Take it to PMs.

Just to clarify a few inaccuracies that have been brought up about asari reproduction:

Mind melding does not require physical contact (and neither does the Ardat-Yakshi neural vampirism, apparently), but for mating and actual fertilization, skin-on-skin contact must take place, according to the Codex as quoted in the wiki.  The relevant passage:

During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her
partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through
the skin. Effectively, the asari and
her partner briefly become one unified nervous system.

Ardat-Yakshi may only come from a pureblood mating.  While the mother carries the genetic defect that manifests into Ardat-Yakshism (to coin a term), it requires the genetic pattern of another asari to actually manifest.

Does any of this make sense?  No, not really.  But it's what has been presented to us by the creators of the race and the universe.

[jlb524]

Sentox6 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Have you read anything I've been posting here? I explained why I find the asari offensive. I said they were 'aesthetically lesbian' to our eyes due to the fact that they look like female women.

So your line of reasoning is:

1) Asari are aesthetically female (from a human perspective).
2) Asari are monogendered, so before contact with other species, their relationships were always aesthetically lesbian (from a human perspective).
3) Because of observed Asari/Male relationships, the species embodies the trope of every woman needing a man.

Well, we're all entitled to our own opinion. That's way, way too tenuous for me, though.

Yes.

I don't see how that's 'tenuous' though.  I guess b/c it's spread out over a species and not confined to one individual where it's easier to see.

Sentox6 wrote...
So which is it? Is it the Anything That Moves
or Every Woman Needs a Man trope that you're objecting to? It
can't really be both.

This one...I haven't even commented on the other trope.

Modifié par jlb524, 14 février 2011 - 08:30 .

[Kaltrec]

jlb524 wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Just because they evolved without contact to human-looking males does not necessarily mean that they would not be attracted to them - a otherwise useful evolutionary strategy could, as an "unintended" side effect cause attraction/lack of repulsion to human males (cf Dawkins on religion in humans)

It also doesn't mean they should be attracted to males and honestly, it makes a lot more sense for them not to be than for them to be...  Most human men aren't attracted to males, I take it.

Either way, I don't care what ingame justifications you give...the fact that they were designed this way in the first place is what I find troubling, given that they could have been designed in many other ways, one in which involving only being attracted to other asari (which would even make sense!)

Why didn't they go this route with the asari instead?  Why must they also be attracted to maliens?

They dont have to be attracted to males, i think in fact most of the Asari you see in game are paired with a female.
They've been interacting with alien species for thousands of years. Im sure, at first, it was awkward for them for someone to fall for a non-asari looking person, but over the time(how long have they been doing this?)  it became normal for them.

[SlottsMachine]

 Pacifien, where are you? We need you. Save us from ourselves.

[NICKjnp]

Sable Phoenix wrote...

Okay, can we lay off the insults?  The thread will get locked soon if it continues being an arguing ground, and the topic doesn't deserve that.  Take it to PMs.

Just to clarify a few inaccuracies that have been brought up about asari reproduction:

Mind melding does not require physical contact (and neither does the Ardat-Yakshi neural vampirism, apparently), but for mating and actual fertilization, skin-on-skin contact must take place, according to the Codex as quoted in the wiki.  The relevant passage:

During melding, an asari consciously attunes her nervous system to her
partner's, sending and receiving electrical impulses directly through
the skin. Effectively, the asari and
her partner briefly become one unified nervous system.

Ardat-Yakshi may only come from a pureblood mating.  While the mother carries the genetic defect that manifests into Ardat-Yakshism (to coin a term), it requires the genetic pattern of another asari to actually manifest.

Does any of this make sense?  No, not really.  But it's what has been presented to us by the creators of the race and the universe.

And the wiki was designed by fans...not the writers.  So don't quote it if you want to make a point.

[Sentox6]

jlb524 wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...
So which is it? Is it the Anything That Moves or Every Woman Needs a Man trope that you're objecting to? It can't really be both.

This one...I haven't even commented on the other trope.

jlb524 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
asari were designed to be atracted to any sentient species regardless of gender. why should human males be excluded?

And that's exactly what I have a problem with...I don't like that they were designed as such.

I'm confused.

Modifié par Sentox6, 14 février 2011 - 08:33 .

[jlb524]

Kaltrec wrote...

They dont have to be attracted to males, i think in fact most of the Asari you see in game are paired with a female.

I do indeed wonder what game you are playing, b/c I don't see this...

Kaltrec wrote...
They've been interacting with alien species for thousands of years. Im sure, at first, it was awkward for them for someone to fall for a non-asari looking person, but over the time(how long have they been doing this?)  it became normal for them.

Still, the jump from mating with asari to mating with...hanar/turians/krogan/etc. is a little too much for me to believe.  Especially considering there's nothing wrong with just mating with themselves.

[Kaltrec]

NICKjnp wrote...
And the wiki was designed by fans...not the writers.  So don't quote it if you want to make a point.

Thing is the writers never look as far as fans will ever do

[Kronner]

jlb524 wrote...

And I'm claiming it's natural for asari to only be attracted to other asari...given evolution/biology and such.  Why dont' these rules apply to them?

They are aliens..whoever created them gave them these characteristics. Why do you want to rewrite that?

jlb524 wrote...
The AY risk is so small it's not even a concern.  Humans run the risk of producing offspring with many genetic defects but they still do it, last tiime I checked...

It is a concern, just ask Samara.

jlb524 wrote...
Oh, yes...asari don't look like human women at all

They do. That does not mean they are similar in everything else.

Devs made the asari the way they are, if you have a problem with that, that is just too bad..nothing you can do about it. It is not their fault you project your own views and opinions to Mass Effect, and then claim your version is the right one.

Modifié par Kronner, 14 février 2011 - 08:36 .

[jlb524]

Sentox6 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...
So which is it? Is it the Anything That Moves or Every Woman Needs a Man trope that you're objecting to? It can't really be both.

This one...I haven't even commented on the other trope.

jlb524 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...
asari were designed to be atracted to any sentient species regardless of gender. why should human males be excluded?

And that's exactly what I have a problem with...I don't like that they were designed as such.

I'm confused.

Okay, here we go....

I don't like that the asari are designed to be attracted to any species b/c it introduces the 'Every Woman Needs a Man' trope.  Again, they spent the majority of their species' history mating with just themselves.   I think this should have continued, but noooo!!   The writers introduced this ridiculous design element stating that they decided one day other asari weren't good enough and they must go out looking for something 'better'....and this produces  a lot of asari/malien sexing.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Kronner wrote...
I am not judging their looks. I am not judging anything. They are alien, they are designed to look like that. I am not the one who takes human characteristics and forces it on the asari. To me, it makes sense they are attracted to most all species and both genders. And yes, I probably could have worded the thing about effectivity better, but it is still true. Asari + other species is better than asari + asari, so the former is more effective. That is a simple fact.

1) You are judging their looks.  Here is your quote with some highlighted words for your convenience:

Kronner wrote...
Funny, they do not look 'aesthetically lesbian' to me at all. They are aliens, so I do not compare them to humans just based on their looks.

You say they do not look aesthetically lesbian because you don't judge them just on looks.  lolwut
How can you use anything but looks to judge how something looks?

2) Asari + other species being better than asari + asari is not a simple fact.  It's not a fact of any kind.  the codex says all evidence of that is anecdotal.  And the presence of the ardat yakshi condition in very few numbers of purebloods does not make cross-species mating better.  That's like saying all black people should mate with white people because there once was an instance of a genetic defect developing in the child of two black parents.  Saying one's "better" than the other in any way is stupid.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 14 février 2011 - 08:37 .

[NICKjnp]

Kaltrec wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...
And the wiki was designed by fans...not the writers.  So don't quote it if you want to make a point.

Thing is the writers never look as far as fans will ever do

Hmmmm

[jeweledleah]

Jib, I think you just want asari to feel the same way about relationships as humans do and have specific sexual preferences, ie - to be lesbian. too cheesy and one dimensional IMO. I personally like it that they see relationships differently from us, makes them more believable as aliens, rather then "sexy green babes"

it would be lovely btw, to see an asari/any gender turian pairing, but considering just how open minded asari are, coverage of every single possible pairing might be to much to ask for :/

its not every woman needs a man trope.  its not even close.  plenty of asari mate once and then raise their children alone.  asari are perfectly capable of having relationships with BOTH genders, just becasue we don't see every single possible combination doesn't mean its neither posible nor exists (possible exception being Krogan women, mostly becasue they are rarer and tend to stick to tuchanka for safety, but even then - we know that krogan women can be barren and as such - its not inconsevable that they will head out into space as mercenaries)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 14 février 2011 - 08:39 .

[Kaltrec]

jlb524 wrote...

Kaltrec wrote...
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I do indeed wonder what game you are playing, b/c I don't see this...

Im not saying that the NPC oviously in a relationship with the one next to it, but alot of asari pairing in both games is with another asari or a human female.

[jlb524]

Kronner wrote...

They are aliens..whoever created them gave them these characteristics. Why do you want to rewrite that?

I'm aware of that and I'm stating that I find it offensive.

Kronner wrote...

It is a concern, just ask Samara.

Yes, one asari out of an entire galaxy of asari...

Kronner wrote...

They do. That does not mean they are similar in everything else.

Devs made the asari the way they are, if you have a problem with that, that is just too bad..nothing you can do about it. It is not their fault you project your own views and opinions to Mass Effect, and then claim your version is the right one.

The devs can do what they want, I also have the right to criticize it.  People project their views onto everything...you are also doing that here.  If you don't like that, discontinue reading this thread.