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[SalsaDMA]

Target identified: Troll.

[meiwow]

Yeah bioware hates us and is trying to punish us with me2... moron.
And what person with a fuctioning brain and that has played me2 would think that it has less dialogue?
Enough said.

Modifié par meiwow, 14 février 2011 - 07:37 .

[marshalleck]

Ah, moron and troll. But if you like the game and you express that opinion, you're not a moron or a troll. Lovely.

There are definitely trolls in this thread, but OP isn't one.

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 février 2011 - 07:39 .

[Ghost Warrior]

To the OP:

Have you even finished the game yet?

[Fixers0]

Ah everybody who doesn't like the plot is a troll and a moron, accusing someone who states his opinion,

just tell me, then if Mass effect 2's plot is so great, then why has nobody explained to me why? or else why there are so many plot analysis out there. 

Modifié par Fixers0, 14 février 2011 - 07:46 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Fixers0 wrote...

Just a question in general, if Mass effect 2 is supposed to be the best rpg out there, then why are there so many plot analysis out there, especialy when they were created by people who knew what they were talking about?

Because ME1 wasn't as popular, so there were less people looking at it.  By the time ME2 rolls around, more people were familiar with the series, and the game attracted more attention.

Additionally, the more popular something is, the more people will rip on it, regardless of whether or not it's worthy of its popularity.

[marshalleck]

Popularity has nothing to do with criticism of ME2. Most of it stands on its own.

[AdmiralCheez]

[quote]Fixers0 wrote...

Ah everybody who doesn't like the plot is a troll and a moron, accusing someone who states his opinion,[/quote]
No.  People who insult others because they don't agree with them are trolls and morons.

just tell me, then if Mass effect 2's plot is so great, then why has nobody explained to me why?[/quote]
I said I'd write an essay about it, but I need time, bro.

[Ghost Warrior]

Okay,since OP is not answering my question I'll say why I disagree right now.First of all,saying that ME2 is just shooting with no story is unfair and it pissed me off.Sure,most people will agree that ME2 has a weaker story than the first game,but it's still a good story.ME1 was just more focused on the main plot,the Reapers and their cycle of destruction,unlike ME2 which was more about characters and their personal stories which gave you better insight into Terminus systems,and ME galaxy as a whole.I prefer ME1 storyline too(matter of personal taste,loved the Citadel space laws and boundaries,loved the Council thing),but once you've finished ME2 you'll realize how amazing experience it is,and how much you've accomplished throughout the game.

[Chewin]

You know, threads like this are just stupid. "ME1 is better than ME2 'cause blah blah blah...".

Yes, it's your opinion, well good for you. Just don't come here and cry and make my day

[AdmiralCheez]

marshalleck wrote...

Popularity has nothing to do with criticism of ME2. Most of it stands on its own.

So would criticism of ME1, but like I said, the fanbase was rather small and quiet.

But don't worry, I'll nail that one, too.

[Talogrungi]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Fixers0 wrote...

Just a question in general, if Mass effect 2 is supposed to be the best rpg out there, then why are there so many plot analysis out there, especialy when they were created by people who knew what they were talking about?

Because ME1 wasn't as popular, so there were less people looking at it.  By the time ME2 rolls around, more people were familiar with the series, and the game attracted more attention.

Additionally, the more popular something is, the more people will rip on it, regardless of whether or not it's worthy of its popularity.

To add to AdmiralCheez's points above; ME2 is also the middle of a trilogy.

It's going to be minutely examined and dissected with the intention of forecasting what might come in ME3. I've seen a lot of criticism relating to the plot elements having holes, being unaddressed or being seemingly disconnected / asspulled .. but are those fair criticisms given that we know (and knew from the outset) that the Shepard story still has a final act to come?

I don't think so. Once ME3 has landed and we've seen the conclusion of the story arc, then is the right time to pick apart the plot and see what didn't work, if that's what you like to do with RPG plots. Personally, I'm just happy to play the game and enjoy it as a work of genius.

Even if said genius is a bit flawed in places.

[ObserverStatus]

lol, this thread is still open?

[Metalunatic]

I agree, the biggest letdown in ME2 was the lack of exploration and the linear feel to it. I really hope we get some more exploration in ME3.

I also agree that ME original is a great game and ME2 is ''very good to good' in comparison.

Modifié par Metalunatic, 14 février 2011 - 08:15 .

[C9316]

Uh....OP, either play the game or don't. No one here cares if you get bored of ME2.

[Metalunatic]

C9316 wrote...

Uh....OP, either play the game or don't. No one here cares if you get bored of ME2.

And who do you think you are talking for the rest of us? Way to be a douche. I, in fact, do care if people find certain elements of the game boring or unneccesary, especially if I might agree with it.

[ObserverStatus]

Metalunatic wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Uh....OP, either play the game or don't. No one here cares if you get bored of ME2.

And who do you think you are talking for the rest of us? Way to be a douche. I, in fact, do care if people find certain elements of the game boring or unneccesary, especially if I might agree with it.

While many people agree with some of the things the OP said, this topic has already been discussed to death.  Many of us have exhausted our capacity to care when someone starts whining about ME2 being unplayable.

[marshalleck]

bobobo878 wrote...

Metalunatic wrote...

C9316 wrote...

Uh....OP, either play the game or don't. No one here cares if you get bored of ME2.

And who do you think you are talking for the rest of us? Way to be a douche. I, in fact, do care if people find certain elements of the game boring or unneccesary, especially if I might agree with it.

While many people agree with some of the things the OP said, this topic has already been discussed to death.  Many of us have exhausted our capacity to care when someone starts whining about ME2 being unplayable.

Deal with it.

[Cadaver19]

Both games tell a coherent story. Both are fun in different ways. You can literally just walk through the first game with an assault rifle though. The second game has a more fluid combat system with rewarding combo kills at least for me. I think the biggest issue with the second game is that nothing felt new or as strange as it did in the first game. The sense of wonder was kind of dulled. However I also didn't have to walk through the same copy pasted buildings 30 times either, but like I said both games have points that I like and dislike. I don't really like the Mako or planet scanning. And both games had super easy final bosses.

[Lumikki]

Oh boy, one of these people who thinks ME1 is God.

OP please register you ME2 game to this forum.

Modifié par Lumikki, 14 février 2011 - 08:43 .

[ObserverStatus]

marshalleck wrote...
Deal with it.

I'm just saying, I like ME1 better too, but that still doesn't make me feel any better when I see this guy moaning about how forcing himself to play a videogame is such an ordeal.

Modifié par bobobo878, 14 février 2011 - 08:49 .

[Iakus]

Talogrungi wrote...
To add to AdmiralCheez's points above; ME2 is also the middle of a trilogy.

It's going to be minutely examined and dissected with the intention of forecasting what might come in ME3. I've seen a lot of criticism relating to the plot elements having holes, being unaddressed or being seemingly disconnected / asspulled .. but are those fair criticisms given that we know (and knew from the outset) that the Shepard story still has a final act to come?

I don't think so. Once ME3 has landed and we've seen the conclusion of the story arc, then is the right time to pick apart the plot and see what didn't work, if that's what you like to do with RPG plots. Personally, I'm just happy to play the game and enjoy it as a work of genius.

Even if said genius is a bit flawed in places.

What I think is even worse than not knowing how ME 2 is going to tie into ME 3 (though that in itself is pretty bad) is having a hard time seeing how ME 2 fits into ME 1  I mean, both games have been out for a while now, but they only seem tangentally connected, like the Shepard in ME 1 and the Shepard in ME 2 aren't really the same people, but just happened to be involved in similar events (ME 1=Commander Shepard, ME 2= Commander Hawke, the Champion of the Terminus) 

Someone else suggested recently that ME 1 is the "paragon" game and ME 2 is the "renegade" game, but if so, it plays more like :

ME1   ME2
        Y
        ME3

Rather then ME1-ME2-ME3

If in fact ME 3 connects everything in a way that's not a total contrivance, I will be mightily impressed.  But given that we can see 2/3 of the pieces right now, I suspect huge swathes of both ME 1 and ME 2 are in fact going to be rendered pointless and irrelevant.  Exhibit A  being Feros.

So yea, with that in mind I have a hard time building up the urge to play ME 2 also.  ME 1, no such problem

Modifié par iakus, 14 février 2011 - 08:48 .

[Rune-Chan]

marshalleck wrote...

Deal with it.

Funny... the same thing could be said about the people who say: "ME2 sucks, ME1 was better".

Especially considering they are both finished and released products, and nothing is going to change now.

EDIT: I have nothing against people expressing the opinion that they dislike something in a game, but there are ways to go about it.

Creating a thread saying "Mass Effect 1 had X, Y and Z which I liked. Mass Effect 2 changed Y and Z and I disliked these changes, I think for Mass Effect 3, Y and Z should be more like they were in Mass Effect 1 because..."

Is how things should be done.

Saying "X, Y and Z  suck about Mass Effect 2, Bioware are just going for the money and ignoring all the loyal fans, blah, blah blah" just makes you sound like a self entitled, nostalgic whiner.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 14 février 2011 - 08:58 .

[marshalleck]

Machines Are Us wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Deal with it.

Funny... the same thing could be said about the people who say: "ME2 sucks, ME1 was better".

Especially considering they are both finished and released products, and nothing is going to change now.

Indeed.

[marshalleck]

iakus wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...
To add to AdmiralCheez's points above; ME2 is also the middle of a trilogy.

It's going to be minutely examined and dissected with the intention of forecasting what might come in ME3. I've seen a lot of criticism relating to the plot elements having holes, being unaddressed or being seemingly disconnected / asspulled .. but are those fair criticisms given that we know (and knew from the outset) that the Shepard story still has a final act to come?

I don't think so. Once ME3 has landed and we've seen the conclusion of the story arc, then is the right time to pick apart the plot and see what didn't work, if that's what you like to do with RPG plots. Personally, I'm just happy to play the game and enjoy it as a work of genius.

Even if said genius is a bit flawed in places.

What I think is even worse than not knowing how ME 2 is going to tie into ME 3 (though that in itself is pretty bad) is having a hard time seeing how ME 2 fits into ME 1  I mean, both games have been out for a while now, but they only seem tangentally connected, like the Shepard in ME 1 and the Shepard in ME 2 aren't really the same people, but just happened to be involved in similar events (ME 1=Commander Shepard, ME 2= Commander Hawke, the Champion of the Terminus) 

Someone else suggested recently that ME 1 is the "paragon" game and ME 2 is the "renegade" game, but if so, it plays more like :

ME1   ME2
        Y
        ME3

Rather then ME1-ME2-ME3

If in fact ME 3 connects everything in a way that's not a total contrivance, I will be mightily impressed.  But given that we can see 2/3 of the pieces right now, I suspect huge swathes of both ME 1 and ME 2 are in fact going to be rendered pointless and irrelevant.  Exhibit A  being Feros.

So yea, with that in mind I have a hard time building up the urge to play ME 2 also.  ME 1, no such problem

Here's how it works. Think of ME2 not as the sequel to ME1, which was slapped in the face and is now curled up in the corner silently weeping. ME2 is the prequel to ME3, both of which will only tangentially be related to the first game. 


ME1 ----------- ME2 <-> ME3

Modifié par marshalleck, 14 février 2011 - 08:57 .