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[Maugrim]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

^Exactly!

EDIT: Whoops, not in quick enough - that was for the post above! (Dendens')

Bullpucky

No one ever comes in and say "X should've been gay only."

No  I don't care if you say it after I've pointed this out.

[tenshi_no_hone]

...I said it before you commented. I even pointed it out in an earlier post, so...

Modifié par tenshi_no_hone, 19 février 2011 - 02:40 .

[Dendens]

makenzieshepard wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

^Exactly!

EDIT: Whoops, not in quick enough - that was for the post above! (Dendens')

Bullpucky

No one ever comes in and say "X should've been gay only."

No  I don't care if you say it after I've pointed this out.

Not for specific characters, but there have been requests for s/s only romances

[Maugrim]

No. /Sten

Try and pay attention you spoke in generalizations responding to people who want all to be bi.

EDIT: Actually I don't mind inherently gay or straight chars, I just hate the   "It's not realistic argument" or the double standard people who some how never manage to speak up for gay only romances but claim to act equally.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 19 février 2011 - 02:44 .

[tenshi_no_hone]

Srsly? So just because we didn't specify the first time, you get to keep the moral high ground? I can't even say specifics now because apparently that's no good either?



Grow up

[Dendens]

makenzieshepard wrote...

No. /Sten

Try and pay attention you spoke in generalizations responding to people who want all to be bi.

Is this to me or Tenshi?

[Maugrim]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I just appreciate having some heterosexual specific and maybe  homosexual specific

Gee thanks for being so generous.  Please sir can I have some more?

It's obviously an afterthought from you.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 19 février 2011 - 02:47 .

[mesmerizedish]

Well, I wanted Leliana to be a lesbian, and in my game, she was. BUT, I think it's selfish to say that just because I would rather have it this way that that's the right way. I think that "everyone is bi" is the best option for the most number of people.

Characters don't need to be all about their sexuality. A character's orientation can be fluid across different people's games and still be their own people and have their own personalities. I think that saying a character can't be defined because he might be straight in your game but gay in mine is absurd. You can't define people (or fictional characters) by their sexuality.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 19 février 2011 - 02:51 .

[HolyJellyfish]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I just appreciate having some heterosexual specific and maybe  homosexual specific

That's the unthoughtful stuff I mentioned earlier. You have your options. Play the game how you want, and let someone else play the game as they want. In your game, everyone can be heterosexual. In their game, everyone can be homosexual. Its all in the eye of the beholder.

[Ryzaki]

Also I find it amusing how we can mold characters in other ways (make someone soft/harden change their views on far more important things) but their sexuality should be set in stone and never-ever-ever-ever be subject to change.

Even if these views are what made them the person they are to begin with. 

Really I find that odd but then again I'm not usually pro-changing people to begin with. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 février 2011 - 02:55 .

[tenshi_no_hone]

@makenzieshepard

I said maybe because it is rare in Bioware games so far. I'm more than happy to have homosexual exclusive LIs, it's just not common in Bioware's track record (hence my reference to Juhani). When we were talking about DA2, the number of LIs made it very unlikely that we would get exclusively homosexual LIs given their track record.

I'm sorry that you took offence at what I said but it wasn't meant that way. I'll admit to being straight and therefore more likely to play straight romances but please stop taking every little thing I say in the worst possible way.

The way you are reading it is not how I meant it. Sorry if the wording was clumsy

Modifié par tenshi_no_hone, 19 février 2011 - 02:58 .

[Maugrim]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Well, I wanted Leliana to be a lesbian, and in my game, she was. BUT, I think it's selfish to say that just because I would rather have it this way that that's the right way. I think that "everyone is bi" is the best option for the most number of people.

Characters don't need to be all about their sexuality. A character's orientation can be fluid across different people's games and still be their own people and have their own personalities. I think that saying a character can't be defined because he might be straight in your game but gay in mine is absurd. You can't define people (or fictional characters) by their sexuality.

I think your mostly right when it comes to Dragon Age because ones sexuality isn't nearly as big of a deal as it is IRL.  It's something that can still get you killed by law in many parts of our world but not in Thedas it would seem.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable to have sexuality not be nearly as defining for a character of Thedas as say a character based in our world.

[Maugrim]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

@makenzieshepard

I said maybe because it is rare in Bioware games so far. I'm more than happy to have homosexual exclusive LIs, it's just not common in Bioware's track record (hence my reference to Juhani). When we were talking about DA2, the number of LIs made it very unlikely that we would get exclusively homosexual LIs given their track record.

I'm sorry that you took offence at what I said but it wasn't meant that way. I'll admit to being straight and therefore more likely to play straight romances but please stop taking every little thing I say in the worst possible way.

They way you are reading it is not how I meant it. Sorry if the wording was clumsy

Fair enough man, fair enough.  Apology accepted and returned in kind! You say things poorly because of where you come from and I react poorly because of where I come from!

Everyone in the world, especially myself on so many issues, would be well served by being much more aware of things that were outside their own experiences and privilege.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 19 février 2011 - 02:59 .

[mesmerizedish]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I think your mostly right when it comes to Dragon Age because ones sexuality isn't nearly as big of a deal as it is IRL.  It's something that can still get you killed by law in many parts of our world but not in Thedas it would seem.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable to have sexuality not be nearly as defining for a character of Thedas as say a character based in our world.

Sure, and they way things are in the real world aren't necessarily they way they should be. Fiction (for a certain degree of idealization) should idealize reality. It's why I like Buffy's Willow more than Glee's Kurt.

No one lists "straight" on a list of what makes them them. I should have the same privilege, and gosh darn it, if I can't have that in my real life, no one's gonna take it from me in my fantasy game

[Juggernaught203]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I'm sorry that you took offence at what I said but it wasn't meant that way. I'll admit to being straight and therefore more likely to play straight romances but please stop taking every little thing I say in the worst possible way.

They way you are reading it is not how I meant it. Sorry if the wording was clumsy

I'd think that you were rather clear in what you are saying, and that people should just read what others are writing more carefully, rather then you apologizing. If they don't understand it, they can always just ask in a polite way what someone means and why someone says it, rather then just assuming one thing and then start raging.

Modifié par Juggernaught203, 19 février 2011 - 03:00 .

[tenshi_no_hone]

@makenzieshepard

This is great - actually resolving an argument in an online forum! I love it, and I don't think I've ever seen it before. Thanks for brightening my day!

Modifié par tenshi_no_hone, 19 février 2011 - 03:01 .

[London]

Personally I wouldn't mind everyone being bisexual. They could just flag a couple lines of dialogue to change based on gender, like they did in DA:O.



I don't think the characters have to announce their bisexuality though. Perhaps if I was playing a M character and wanted to romance a F - I don't think she needs to announce to me that she's bi or had prior relationships with women. She should just be interested in me for me. During this "straight" playthrough she can just be a straight woman for all I know.



It has no bearing for me that in an alternate universe, where my Male PC doesn't exist, there is a Female PC who is in a relationship with the same Female romance option. In that universe, that character has changed because now instead of being around my Male PC, she is altered in that her universe now has an entirely different person taht she's spending a lot of time with.



I think this would just open up the most options to people. People that seek out same-sex relationships can have them, but they don't have to fly in the face of those who only want straight relationships.



Finally, characters I do believe can be fluid. I know for a fact that personality traits of my closest friends have rubbed off on me, and I would be a different person if I spent most of my time with other people. Over time I see how new close friends' personalities rubbed off on me too, becoming a small part of who I am. Overall I am me, but I do think people's environments can make small changes to character. So...I could envision how the same basic character might change based on whether they were spending their time with a Male PC or a Female PC, or a Good-aligned PC or an Evil-aligned PC....

[jlb524]

There will be no gay only LIs EVAR NEVAR EVAR according to Gaider.



Okay, I might have lied about the EVAR NEVAR EVAR part (hey, things change) but I wouldn't expect to see gay only LIs in the near future.



I don't really care as long as theirs a bi option available.

[Dendens]

Ryzaki wrote...

Also I find it amusing how we can mold characters in other ways (make someone soft/harden change their views on far more important things) but their sexuality should be set in stone and never-ever-ever-ever be subject to change.

Even if these views are what made them the person they are to begin with. 

Really I find that odd but then again I'm not usually pro-changing people to begin with. 

I agree, but I don't think you should be able to change everybody

[Ryzaki]

Dendens wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also I find it amusing how we can mold characters in other ways (make someone soft/harden change their views on far more important things) but their sexuality should be set in stone and never-ever-ever-ever be subject to change.

Even if these views are what made them the person they are to begin with. 

Really I find that odd but then again I'm not usually pro-changing people to begin with. 

I agree, but I don't think you should be able to change everybody

Neither do I. 

[Maugrim]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

@makenzieshepard

This is great - actually resolving an argument in an online forum! I love it, and I don't think I've ever seen it before. Thanks for brightening my day!

Well I picked that one since I act like such a monkey sometimes!  There was one with lemurs that looked cute at first but then I took a second look and I don't think the 5 of them were hugging exactly....

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 19 février 2011 - 03:08 .

[Elite Midget]

Lets see...



2 Elves

2 Humans

2 Woman

2 Men



Eh, it works out in the end unless you dig the shorter crowd. Than you can just wait for mods to come out if we get a toolset.

[Dendens]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

I think your mostly right when it comes to Dragon Age because ones sexuality isn't nearly as big of a deal as it is IRL.  It's something that can still get you killed by law in many parts of our world but not in Thedas it would seem.  So it wouldn't be unreasonable to have sexuality not be nearly as defining for a character of Thedas as say a character based in our world.

Sure, and they way things are in the real world aren't necessarily they way they should be. Fiction (for a certain degree of idealization) should idealize reality. It's why I like Buffy's Willow more than Glee's Kurt.

No one lists "straight" on a list of what makes them them. I should have the same privilege, and gosh darn it, if I can't have that in my real life, no one's gonna take it from me in my fantasy game

Aah. Buffy. In New Zealand they're replaying it from the very beginning. I'm glad they got my letters. Buuuuuut anyway. Back to topic.

How ridiculous would it have been to have Willow have the choices of Buffy, or Anya, or Dawn, or any of the slayertobe's they all end up with at the end. Sexuality does not define a person, but it does influence them, especially in a story telling medium. Sexuality can be an incredibly compelling story telling tool if used correctly.  IMO Willow's relationship with Tara would have been cheapened if all the girls were getting it on together. She had to come to terms with the consequences this came with.

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

Also I find it amusing how we can mold characters in other ways (make someone soft/harden change their views on far more important things) but their sexuality should be set in stone and never-ever-ever-ever be subject to change.

Even if these views are what made them the person they are to begin with. 

Really I find that odd but then again I'm not usually pro-changing people to begin with. 

Yeah, to me, it makes less sense for someone like Anders to end up all pro-Chantry and Templar loving versus having him fall for that one extra special man.

[Elite Midget]

Most likely Anders will betray you if you side with the Templars/Chantry. What with some of them wanting him dead because of his many escapes and that they made his friend tranquil.