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[Maelora]

ReallyRue wrote...
I know what you mean, it would've been better if there were f/f options in ME2. One can only hope for ME3.

True.  I hope the same doesn't happen in DA2.  It would be nice if they confirmed things.

'Lair of the Shadow Broker' redresses the balance somewhat, but it didn't feel like a part of the game to me.  It was awesome, but it felt tacked-on.  I wanted a romanceable companion.

Modifié par Maelora, 19 février 2011 - 06:21 .

[HolyJellyfish]

Maelora wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...
I know what you mean, it would've been better if there were f/f options in ME2. One can only hope for ME3.

True.  I hope the same doesn't happen in DA2.  It would be nice if they confirmed things.

'Lair of the Shadow Broker' redresses the balance somewhat, but it didn't feel like a part of the game to me.  It was awesome, but it felt tacked-on.  I wanted a romanceable companion.

The team has said very very explicitly and clearly that there is a LI option for everyone of every orientation and gender.

Isabela isn't just hinted at, but is VERY bisexual. Hell, in Chris' playthrough, she's so bi it hurts teeth. In the short story, she HITS on a woman. She very visibly flirts with F!Hawke. Unless they are c*nt teasing, I doubt it was just there for giggles.

With your logic, They also haven't confirmed that Anders if F!Hawke specific. He could also just be for Men! He could be S/S only. There's no pic to say otherwise, and they certainly haven't explicitly stated "Oh. He's straight".

You are the only person who has incessently complained that an F/F option may not exist in DA2. I think, at this point, its pretty darn clear that Isabela is very much F/F. DA2 is NOT ME2. Completely different teams, different writers, different practices. Same company, different people. Same family, different siblings. They did not disappoint in DA1, what makes you think they will do the same in DA2?

[darklordpocky-san]

hmm. . .

I always get a little weirded out how everyone in Bioware RPGs are either straight or bi, with the only gay couple that comes to mind being the shop keepers.

Anyone in favor of character who are only romanceable M/M or F/F? I'm thinking it'd really be a 'romance for everyone' then.

Modifié par darklordpocky-san, 19 février 2011 - 06:56 .

[pallascedar]

darklordpocky-san wrote...

hmm. . .

I always get a little weirded out how everyone in Bioware RPGs are either straight or bi, with the only gay couple that comes to mind being the shop keepers.

Anyone in favor of character who are only romanceable M/M or F/F? I'm thinking it'd really be a 'romance for everyone' then.

On the contrary, while there being no exclusively means that the companions don't represent all sexualities in themselves, the companions being bisexual means that they represent a romance option for all sexualities. If someone doesn't want to romance someone, in a game or in real life, because they like both sexes, then they need to get over themselves.

[Hakuro de Killer]

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The "Everyone is Bi" option works in the Thedas setting because no one in the Thedas setting cares about s/s romance. Marriage is a different story in some cases, but all in all, s/s romance is pretty much as normal and accepted as o/s romance. Also, considering romance never truly affected any particular storyline (considering the same storyline choices could be accessed if the characters were the same affection levels without initiating romance), the "Everyone is Bi" option seems like it would be the best of both worlds.

[JigPig]

Hakuro de Killer wrote...
 the "Everyone is Bi" option seems like it would be the best of both worlds.

Nope. Some characters need to have a stance one way or the other. Anything else would be horribly confusing, and redundent.

[Ryzaki]

...March 8th needs to hurry up.

[Addai]

Hakuro de Killer wrote...

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The "Everyone is Bi" option works in the Thedas setting because no one in the Thedas setting cares about s/s romance. Marriage is a different story in some cases, but all in all, s/s romance is pretty much as normal and accepted as o/s romance. Also, considering romance never truly affected any particular storyline (considering the same storyline choices could be accessed if the characters were the same affection levels without initiating romance), the "Everyone is Bi" option seems like it would be the best of both worlds.

Being reasonably tolerant towards the idea of s/s relationships (and I think you are exaggerating even that) =/ being bisexual yourself.

I prefer a mix of companion types, not clones.  Some people- a lot of people- are just straight.

[Silver Summers]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

dynamicdandito wrote...

demonic_cookie wrote...

To be fair, sexual orientation is not the same as kinks and fetishes. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ and yes, I know the furry thing is a joke, but I just need to state the obvious.

I also missed the debate of doom on bisexual LIs. Shame. Was asleep at the time >_

As much as they profess that they'd "go gay for Zevran", I'm pretty sure irl if he dropped his pants they'd tighten their belts.

I think it's solely dependent on who's the pitcher and who's the catcher in regards to the people who'd go gay for Zevran, myself among them as I've previously stated.


edit: eh, I think that was too much information for you guys.

First post in the Forums here on BioWare

Anyway... really?  :/  I'm bisexual and that elf... I dunno.  He just doesn't really seem to have what I expected in a m/m romance.  He's awkward and... to be honest, quite hideous.  When I play on the PC version, I make sure I have mods installed that change his appearance.  But really, Alistair really should be the one you go bi for.    Hello Equal Love mod

[Gentle Leviathan]

Addai67 wrote...

Hakuro de Killer wrote...

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The "Everyone is Bi" option works in the Thedas setting because no one in the Thedas setting cares about s/s romance. Marriage is a different story in some cases, but all in all, s/s romance is pretty much as normal and accepted as o/s romance. Also, considering romance never truly affected any particular storyline (considering the same storyline choices could be accessed if the characters were the same affection levels without initiating romance), the "Everyone is Bi" option seems like it would be the best of both worlds.

Being reasonably tolerant towards the idea of s/s relationships (and I think you are exaggerating even that) =/ being bisexual yourself.

I prefer a mix of companion types, not clones.  Some people- a lot of people- are just straight.

They wouldn't be clones, they'd simply be able to be romanced by either M or F Hawke, they'd keep their individual personalties. Nothing changes except that they'll let either gender romance them. I think thats fare, as if you only made certain LIs Bi, people would get upset if the one they wanted couldn't be romanced by their character.

[Sylvianus]

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 19 février 2011 - 09:05 .

[DarthSliver]

Sylvianus wrote...

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Couldnt they make the bi as in a sense of just sex but not relationship. Sorta like fooling around type thing but it not actually being an actually relationship either. I think expermenting would be a good word for it.  
Or make it extremely hard for the Female LI to want your FemHawke if she prefers men over women but not making it where its not an option. So basically if you wanna go for a character that prefers the opposite gender, its not impossible to get them in a relationship but really hard to get them to swing for the other team type thing. 

I am going to go out of the way and say thats what the person means by making everyone bi.

[Gentle Leviathan]

DarthSliver wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Couldnt they make the bi as in a sense of just sex but not relationship. Sorta like fooling around type thing but it not actually being an actually relationship either. I think expermenting would be a good word for it.  
Or make it extremely hard for the Female LI to want your FemHawke if she prefers men over women but not making it where its not an option. So basically if you wanna go for a character that prefers the opposite gender, its not impossible to get them in a relationship but really hard to get them to swing for the other team type thing. 

I am going to go out of the way and say thats what the person means by making everyone bi.

So, in other words, instead of a romance with say, a straight female, and your FemHawke wants to romance her, it wouldn't be entirely impossible, just really hard to convince her/change her mind to be with you, and even harder to convince to, let's say :"take the next step" in the relationship?

[DarthSliver]

jerzeycj wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Couldnt they make the bi as in a sense of just sex but not relationship. Sorta like fooling around type thing but it not actually being an actually relationship either. I think expermenting would be a good word for it.  
Or make it extremely hard for the Female LI to want your FemHawke if she prefers men over women but not making it where its not an option. So basically if you wanna go for a character that prefers the opposite gender, its not impossible to get them in a relationship but really hard to get them to swing for the other team type thing. 

I am going to go out of the way and say thats what the person means by making everyone bi.

So, in other words, instead of a romance with say, a straight female, and your FemHawke wants to romance her, it wouldn't be entirely impossible, just really hard to convince her/change her mind to be with you, and even harder to convince to, let's say :"take the next step" in the relationship?

Basically, so it would be alot easier for you to enter a relationship with said character if you were the characters prefer gender. But not impossible to get in a relationship with said character either if your not, just really hard.

[Gentle Leviathan]

DarthSliver wrote...

jerzeycj wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Couldnt they make the bi as in a sense of just sex but not relationship. Sorta like fooling around type thing but it not actually being an actually relationship either. I think expermenting would be a good word for it.  
Or make it extremely hard for the Female LI to want your FemHawke if she prefers men over women but not making it where its not an option. So basically if you wanna go for a character that prefers the opposite gender, its not impossible to get them in a relationship but really hard to get them to swing for the other team type thing. 

I am going to go out of the way and say thats what the person means by making everyone bi.

So, in other words, instead of a romance with say, a straight female, and your FemHawke wants to romance her, it wouldn't be entirely impossible, just really hard to convince her/change her mind to be with you, and even harder to convince to, let's say :"take the next step" in the relationship?

Basically, so it would be alot easier for you to enter a relationship with said character if you were the characters prefer gender. But not impossible to get in a relationship with said character either if your not, just really hard.

I could deal with that, in fact, I kind of like that idea.

[Minxie]

DarthSliver wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Couldnt they make the bi as in a sense of just sex but not relationship. Sorta like fooling around type thing but it not actually being an actually relationship either. I think expermenting would be a good word for it.  
Or make it extremely hard for the Female LI to want your FemHawke if she prefers men over women but not making it where its not an option. So basically if you wanna go for a character that prefers the opposite gender, its not impossible to get them in a relationship but really hard to get them to swing for the other team type thing. 

I am going to go out of the way and say thats what the person means by making everyone bi.

That sounds like it would be a lot of extra (and costly) content. I doubt they would make one character have two completely different romance paths. I think the bi LIs will be like the DAO ones in that the conversations play out pretty much the same regardless of Hawke's gender.

[werewoof]

darklordpocky-san wrote...

hmm. . .

I always get a little weirded out how everyone in Bioware RPGs are either straight or bi, with the only gay couple that comes to mind being the shop keepers.

Anyone in favor of character who are only romanceable M/M or F/F? I'm thinking it'd really be a 'romance for everyone' then.

It's mostly economical. To put it bluntly, a gay only romance option wouldn't sell as well. Those of us who like the s/s romances are still in the minority, and therefor if BioWare puts its resources into something that will only cater to that minority, it won't net enough of a profit to be worth the trade-off. If they make companions like Isabela (who I'm presuming is the s/s female option) bisexual, they can satisfy those of us who like s/s romances as well as those who'd want a straight romance.

Gaider has said he'd like to do an only M/M or only F/F romance option, but it's simply not a good business decision.

[madsabroo]

Romances where the writers just change the pronouns would be weak and tepid. It would be an unbelievably huge undertaking to make every possible character bisexual and have those relationships be satisfying. I'd rather there be limited choices that cover some straight and some gay bases while still maintaining a high quality of writing and character development.



It also increases the replay value for me, because I go into a character that's going to romance Zevran differently than one that falls for Alistair. It's a more enriching experience rather than being allowed to just shag whoever I want just for the hell of it.

[Minxie]

madsabroo wrote...

Romances where the writers just change the pronouns would be weak and tepid. It would be an unbelievably huge undertaking to make every possible character bisexual and have those relationships be satisfying. I'd rather there be limited choices that cover some straight and some gay bases while still maintaining a high quality of writing and character development.
 

That's a good point. I really think there's only going to be one m/m and one f/f each as usual, guys.

[MorningBird]

This is the reason I don't understand the sexuality argument (and I'm just speaking for myself here. )

I'm one of the lucky few whose sexuality doesn't fully define who they are as a person.  It doesn't define my personality, it doesn't really define any of my likes or dislikes, it doesn't define how my family or friends treat me, it doesn't define what foods I eat or what animals I prefer as pets, what places I like to vacation, what social circles I run in, etc...  In fact, the only thing I think it DOES define is maybe some of my political beliefs, and of course, who I'm attracted to.

In Thedas, however, I don't see one's sexuality influencing their world/political views in anyway, because it's not Earth. The majority of people in Thedas are tolerant of s/s relationships.  Other things influence those views, like whether you're a mage or mundane, rich or poor, Orlesian or Ferelden, Andrastian or barbarian, elf, human or dwarf.  These things seem to define one's 'character'  (in regards to Thedas) more than their sexuality, because unless you plan on settling down and having a family, it's pretty much a non-issue.

That being said, characters can have preferences beyond sexuality, but at the moment, sexuality is the only recognized preference.  I imagine Dragon Age: Origins wouldn't have been much fun if Alistair was only attracted to redheads, or if Morrigan refused to start a romance with anyone who wasn't a dwarf.  Admittedly, sexuality is a preference that holds more water than what color hair your character has, but this is more or less just to prove a point.

If you wanted to romance Alistair, but could only do it with a redhead, it would limit what you could do with that character.  Players who are limited by sexuality are in the same boat, only, instead of having to change their hair color to red, they have to change their gender.

Now, when I personally ask for all bi LI's, this is what I mean (once again, I'm only speaking for myself) that the sexuality of the character be subjective to the player.  Basically, if you want a straight Alistair, Alistair in your game is straight.  If I want a gay/bi Alistair, I can hit on him with a male Warden, and then wow!  I learn he has an interest in men.

I'm not asking for all 7-8 characters in your party to be bi, or even for everyone in Thedas to be bi, just that the 4 LI's we actually get be accessible to everyone, regardless of gender.  Some people think this is unrealistic, and I don't think they're wrong, per se, I just disagree?

Looking at DA:O, we had an ex-templar knight, a witch of the wilds, an Orlesian bard, an Antivan assassin, a Qunari, a dwarven warrior, and a circle mage.  These people weren't all pulled from the same isolated corner of Ferelden.  They came from all over the place (some from different countries) from different backgrounds and societies.  If there were ever a group to have 4 LI who could swing both ways (I say 'could' because if you wanted them to be straight in your game, they could still straight), this would be it.

Then I look at DA:2.  Excluding siblings, we've got a widowed templar's wife from Ferelden, an apostate mage, a runaway elven slave from Tevinter, a dwarven merchant prince, a swashbuckling pirate, and a Dalish Keeper's First.  Once again, these characters don't all come from the same isolated corner of Kirkwall.  They come from different backgrounds, counties, and ways of life.  If there were ever a group to have 4 LI who could swing both ways (etc, etc... )

And that pretty much sums up my stance, I guess.

I think the main problem that I have with people putting so much emphasis on the importance of sexuality is that, when looking at the current line-up of LI's, I'm not judging them based off their sexuality.  I'm instead looking at their appearance, their personalities, their back stories, etc, because to me, these are the elements that make these characters who they are.  The only reason I'm curious about sexuality at all is because I don't want to set all of my hopes and dreams and fan gushing up on one LI, only to have them squashed and come crumbling down around me when I'm told, "Or, sorry, that character you thought was completely fascinating?  Straight.  But there's this other guy/girl!"

Because while I may grow to like that other guy/girl (heck, I'm so easy to please in the character personality department that I'll probably actually adore them in the end) I know that when I pick up the game, I won't be chasing them because of their sparkling personality/intriguing history.  I'll be pursuing them because a spotlight has been shined on their sexuality, notifying me to the fact that they're the only available s/s companion for me.

Anyway, I do think BioWare could effectively write all bi LI's if they had the means/desire, and if they don't have the means/desire, I certainly understand.

I do appreciate what we are getting in terms of bi LI's, but as the saying goes, 'want mooooar.'

Plus, I can chalk up half my feelings to pre-release excitement/fears/hopes and dreams, so who knows if I'll even feel the same way after March 8th?

[DarthSliver]

Minxie18 wrote...

DarthSliver wrote...

Sylvianus wrote...

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Couldnt they make the bi as in a sense of just sex but not relationship. Sorta like fooling around type thing but it not actually being an actually relationship either. I think expermenting would be a good word for it.  
Or make it extremely hard for the Female LI to want your FemHawke if she prefers men over women but not making it where its not an option. So basically if you wanna go for a character that prefers the opposite gender, its not impossible to get them in a relationship but really hard to get them to swing for the other team type thing. 

I am going to go out of the way and say thats what the person means by making everyone bi.

That sounds like it would be a lot of extra (and costly) content. I doubt they would make one character have two completely different romance paths. I think the bi LIs will be like the DAO ones in that the conversations play out pretty much the same regardless of Hawke's gender.

I also came up with the idea because I wanna romance Merrill not Isabella and from what people think. It seems that Merrill is more likely to be a f/m romance rather than either or lol. And I like playing as a female char because i like looking a female pixel butt rather than a male pixel butt, there is quite a difference. 

[Hakuro de Killer]

jerzeycj wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Hakuro de Killer wrote...

I've said this before and I'll say it again. The "Everyone is Bi" option works in the Thedas setting because no one in the Thedas setting cares about s/s romance. Marriage is a different story in some cases, but all in all, s/s romance is pretty much as normal and accepted as o/s romance. Also, considering romance never truly affected any particular storyline (considering the same storyline choices could be accessed if the characters were the same affection levels without initiating romance), the "Everyone is Bi" option seems like it would be the best of both worlds.

Being reasonably tolerant towards the idea of s/s relationships (and I think you are exaggerating even that) =/ being bisexual yourself.

I prefer a mix of companion types, not clones.  Some people- a lot of people- are just straight.

They wouldn't be clones, they'd simply be able to be romanced by either M or F Hawke, they'd keep their individual personalties. Nothing changes except that they'll let either gender romance them. I think thats fare, as if you only made certain LIs Bi, people would get upset if the one they wanted couldn't be romanced by their character.

But here's the deal. Characters in Thedas do not confine themselves to labels like we do. That being said, only one character that I know about has actually ever been defined by his sexuality, if only as a bit of flavor, and that's Zevran. Alistair never expressed his liking of women over men, he just wasn't eligible because conversation choices forbade it. Same with Morrigan and female characters. Leliana is a lesbian, I don't care what you say. However gameplay made her bisexual because her line of work required her to seduce men. Zevran is like Captain Jack Harkness. With the exception of maybe Oghren, he'd pork anything that moves.

There are no labels in Thedas. Therefore it should make absolutely no difference to the plot if every romanceable character was bisexual. You would not be forced to romance a s/s character if you didn't REALLY want to, same with an o/s romance. Even though the o/s would be a hell of a lot more in-your-face than the more discreet s/s, its still something I feel should be done.

I ask each of you two valid questions. If a female character was allowed to seduce Morrigan, how would the plot of the game be different than if Morrigan romanced a male warden? Likewise, if a male character was allowed to seduce Alistair, how would the plot of the game change as opposed to if Alistair romanced a female warden?

There really is very little difference. Morrigan would continue on as normal, but if you chose her ending to Origins as a female character, she would still proceed as if you were a female character, not as a character who was attracted to her. Alistair would also continue on as normal.

Modifié par Hakuro de Killer, 19 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[madsabroo]

MorningBird wrote...

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Aren't you, in fact, putting undue emphasis on sexuality by asking for everyone to be open to everything? 

[moilami]

Sylvianus wrote...

There's plenty of people who are tolerant and support the s / s but may be embarrassed by what has been done. This is not the problem. That is the concept of clones that is disgusting. It removes part of the personality of a human being.

They are clones, machines with exactly the same attraction for the pleasure of egocentric player who plays like a god on vulgar mortals on their way of thinking, their way of looking at others intimately.

Normally a universe, a world, a character is defined with developments and limitations, and his sexuality is as well. Yes sex is a trait of character, who can play or not, whatever. Whether you like it or not, the sexuality of a being part of "I " in a being, or a character.

Wynn, is a perfect example. It is hard, nobody could convince her to join the evil, and we certainly do not see it having a romance with the warden, and especially Zevran she studiously avoids. But she seems really interested by Allistair , playful. Y preferences. We see that it goes to one another and flees. Are there different directions, and some are unique. That's life. In life, we do not do anything you want, it was not quite what we want.

Wynn even had relationships with people younger than herself. But if the warden gave him advances, never accept it. Sexuality is a character trait, sorry.

Quality posting. I haven't seen many in these romance threads.

Edit: Lets stll write some words myself to not make those stupid empty replies.

I could not agree more how companions in DA are like some droids and you are the machinist. You just pick and chose and droids stand there in a row. Luckily it was not totally absurd because you could not chose anyone. However you still were in a situation I bet 99% of people here has not never been. The situation was that none else was doing romances than you. So the PC was like some alpha wolf or something, and that was just ridiculous. First, Alistair was such a dude that at least Leliana would probably had big interest on him, and Alistair on Leliana. Leliana would also been able to seduce very easily Alistair. What about Zevran? I bet he could had warmed Morrigan or Leliana in tent. Or some male.

This is game, so maybe majority want they are in alpha wolf position because it is "more fun". I would however enjoy much more of situations where realistical relationships between people happen. 

Modifié par moilami, 19 février 2011 - 10:14 .

[MorningBird]

madsabroo wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

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Aren't you, in fact, putting undue emphasis on sexuality by asking for everyone to be open to everything? 

Nope, I'm implying that the emphasis on sexuality would be removed if I didn't have to think about it at all.