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[Ryzaki]

...Why does everyone want to bone Flemeth?

You lot that want to sleep with her do realize she would kill you afterwards right?

And not in the pleasant way.
Edit: And I hate when people try to say an opposite view is "bandwagoning." ugh. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 février 2011 - 01:19 .

[Hakuro de Killer]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Why does everyone want to bone Flemeth?

You lot that want to sleep with her do realize she would kill you afterwards right?

And not in the pleasant way.

So that's no death by snoo-snoo?

[The Ethereal Writer]

MorningBird wrote...

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

so you've seen through my clever disguise! Yes, I want to do the bowchickawowow with Flemeth. I have life size cut-outs of her in my bedroom and I fantasize about her every night. we were meant..... to.... to.....


OH GOD I CAN'T DO THIS!!!!!

*hands bucket* let it all out!

You were too late! For god's sake man, where were you when I needed you?! Oh god it's everywhere!!

[MorningBird]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

You were too late! For god's sake man, where were you when I needed you?! Oh god it's everywhere!!

Deep breaths, my friend.  There is a bucket and mop in the corner.

[Ryzaki]

Hakuro de Killer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Why does everyone want to bone Flemeth?

You lot that want to sleep with her do realize she would kill you afterwards right?

And not in the pleasant way.

So that's no death by snoo-snoo?

You'll get the snoo-snoo but it won't be a pleasant death.   

Didn't you guys listen to Morrigan? 

[obsessedwjpn]

Hakuro de Killer wrote...

obsessedwjpn wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

MorningBird wrote...
...

My question for you though would be, if all of the LI were bi, would that be a deal breaker for you?  I have heard some people say that even if the LI's sexuality was subjective, the 'metagame' knowledge that they could be romanced by the same gender was upsetting and/or immersion-breaking.

Mmm... I call shenanigans (not on you, but on people who feel the way you describe here). That's closet homophobia. Just my judgment *shrug*

I am not one of these people Morning Bird describes so I agree with you all that I can't understand that way of thinking but please don't say that means these people must have homophobia then. I know you are saying it is your judgment but I think we can debate this issue without throwing around statements that degrade someone's integrity. Sorry, I just don't want either group to say bad things to the other.

She's saying that those who are disgusted with the game knowing that s/s romance exists are closet homophobes, and I have to concur. Because its true. I mean, should I be disgusted that there are heterosexual romances in the game? No, but not because its the norm. Its because it is one of the three main facets of sexual preference.

But the words upsetting or breaking immersion were used, not disgusted. I haven't seen anyone use the word disgusted. Besides, name calling will get us nowhere.

[mesmerizedish]

MorningBird wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

MorningBird wrote...
...

My question for you though would be, if all of the LI were bi, would that be a deal breaker for you?  I have heard some people say that even if the LI's sexuality was subjective, the 'metagame' knowledge that they could be romanced by the same gender was upsetting and/or immersion-breaking.

Mmm... I call shenanigans (not on you, but on people who feel the way you describe here). That's closet homophobia. Just my judgment *shrug*

Eh, I wouldn't call it homophobia. xD  What's immersion-breaking for me might not be immersion-breaking for someone else, you know?  And people see things differently.

For example, I think having 4 LI's open to all genders is fine, because there's an ENTIRE world out there filled with people who aren't LI's, let alone bi/gay.

Other people don't care about EVERYONE else in Thedas because the characters we get to know best are the ones in our party.  Every other NPC doesn't matter because they don't have as much story relevance, and when your focus is on that party, I can see how that metagame knowledge would upset someone without them being a homophobe. xD

It's the "upsetting" part that I object to. Immersion-breaking? Sure, I'll give you that one for free. But you're "upset" because someone else can s/s romance a particular character? I'm just saying that I can't think of a good reson for that, except that someone is upset by s/s romances in general. Maybe not on the surface, but that's why I applied the "closet" descriptor

Maybe it's a knee-jerk reaction that isn't really thought-through on my part, I don't know. I just know that it feels like the same kind of rationale behind people who say "Do whatever you want in your own bedroom, but I think it's disgusting!" Upsetting, disgusting... regardless of how else one might feel, I don't like these terms being applied to this situation

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Why does everyone want to bone Flemeth?

Seriously? Yo, she's smokin'.

[Hakuro de Killer]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Why does everyone want to bone Flemeth?

Seriously? Yo, she's smokin'.

Literally. I saw her buying a carton of smokes back in Lothering. She really needs to quit. Eternity can be hell if you're suffering from lung cancer.

[The Ethereal Writer]

MorningBird wrote...

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

You were too late! For god's sake man, where were you when I needed you?! Oh god it's everywhere!!

Deep breaths, my friend.  There is a bucket and mop in the corner.

Man this is not how I wanted to spend my Saturday night! I'm putting it all in the bucket and tossing it on my enemies' houses! At least then I'll get some compensation for losing my Italian Sub dinner.

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Why does everyone want to bone Flemeth?

Seriously? Yo, she's smokin'.

....

Morrigan: Hmph. my mother's stories curdled my blood and haunted my dreams. No little girl wants to hear about the Wilder men her mother took to her bed, using them till they were spent, then killing them. No little girl wants to be told that this is also expected of her, once she comes of age.

Insanity. People would rather bone her and die than bone someone else an live? You people are strange. *wanders off* 

[obsessedwjpn]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
It's the "upsetting" part that I object to. Immersion-breaking? Sure, I'll give you that one for free. But you're "upset" because someone else can s/s romance a particular character? I'm just saying that I can't think of a good reson for that, except that someone is upset by s/s romances in general. Maybe not on the surface, but that's why I applied the "closet" descriptor

Maybe it's a knee-jerk reaction that isn't really thought-through on my part, I don't know. I just know that it feels like the same kind of rationale behind people who say "Do whatever you want in your own bedroom, but I think it's disgusting!" Upsetting, disgusting... regardless of how else one might feel, I don't like these terms being applied to this situation

I agree with you, it is unfortunate that some people feel that way. But, in the end, it is Bioware's decision, not theirs to change the story or characters to fit certain requests by players. These people can be upset by whatever they want so long as they don't feel that their upset feeling should be catered to by game developers above all else. So pay them no heed and just keep supporting your idea

[Poquimo]

I can understand why people would feel having everyone be bi would be unrealistic because let's face it, would it be realistic to say everyone in a single country is the same sexuality even if sexuality has no definition? No. It's still there even if there isn't a word for it. Even if the term "straight" didn't exist, it wouldn't make me any less not interested in women. I prefer men. That's how it goes for me and it's not weird or bad, it's just how I am like anyone else who prefers being in relationships with a certain gender or not.



Ya like what ya like, I think it's much more diverse to have people who are straight or bisexual. Hell I think it would be cool if we had bi, straight and gay LIs as in no one but men could romance this one guy or one girl could only be romanced by girls. It just adds a lot more diversity and I like that because it seems very realistic to me to have people with different preferences.



But then you have to look at the politics of it. The reason they opt for bi romances instead of gay is because in our culture bisexuality is perhaps more acceptable then homosexuality? It's kind of an interesting sociological standing. There was a huge outcry when the first LI scene in ME1 came out...ah hell now I'm all curious. I should bring this up in my sociology class.

[Hakuro de Killer]

SpottySpec wrote...

I can understand why people would feel having everyone be bi would be unrealistic because let's face it, would it be realistic to say everyone in a single country is the same sexuality even if sexuality has no definition? No. It's still there even if there isn't a word for it. Even if the term "straight" didn't exist, it wouldn't make me any less not interested in women. I prefer men. That's how it goes for me and it's not weird or bad, it's just how I am like anyone else who prefers being in relationships with a certain gender or not.

Ya like what ya like, I think it's much more diverse to have people who are straight or bisexual. Hell I think it would be cool if we had bi, straight and gay LIs as in no one but men could romance this one guy or one girl could only be romanced by girls. It just adds a lot more diversity and I like that because it seems very realistic to me to have people with different preferences.

But then you have to look at the politics of it. The reason they opt for bi romances instead of gay is because in our culture bisexuality is perhaps more acceptable then homosexuality? It's kind of an interesting sociological standing. There was a huge outcry when the first LI scene in ME1 came out...ah hell now I'm all curious. I should bring this up in my sociology class.

The reason for bisexuality over homosexuality is that it means the bisexual character is more... accessible to everyone. If there were homosexual-exclusives, homophobes would be in an uproar and start calling the local churches to petition the game.

No wonder Anders hates the Chantry.

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Everytime I hear the "everyone in Thedas isn't bisexual!" I sigh. Everyone isn't an abomination, a prince, an assassin (hell this is the more common!), a bard (more common the the first two!), a woman raised by some unknown but ancient creature, a living weapon, a dalish elf that practices blood magic, a sexy sassy pirate who is a very powerful fighter who made her own style.  

So yeah. No one in your party is "average" or "nomal" or "common" for Thedas.

Inorite? Everyone in Thedas isn't bisexual? Guess what. Everyone in Thedas isn't in your party. If you're going to pull the "realism" card, then throw your party completely out. The chances that Anders, Merill, Isabela, et al. all come together to hang out with you? And now you want to argue that it's "unrealistic" that four of them might swing both ways? Give me a break.

Indeed pretty much nothing in DAO was realistic to begin with. Sexuality though...thats where the line must be drawn! 


Assuming direct control - Fine
People who utterly hate you listening to you? - Fine
Alistair agreeing to sleep with the woman he hates by the wo/man he hates who put him in a position he hates and isn't sure of the reasoning exactly? - Fine
Loghain suddenly being willing to think you're not Orlesian spies after a battle? - Fine
Everyone listening to some elf just because he/she is a Warden? - Fine
Being able to wield many of the armor/weapons in origins without toppling over? - Fine
Fire going away on its on even when wearing flammable clothing? - Fine
Being able to defeat Flemeth - Fine
"Drinking" Poultices - Fine
Being able to constantly swing a sword as long as you are and never tire? - Fine
Being able to drink an addicting substance and never get addicted? - Fine
Stealing from people and never getting a real reprimand? - Fine
Escaping Fort Drakon so easily? - Fine
Two elves deciminating a large number of guards? - Fine
Female CE somehow being trained well enough to take out said large number? - Fine

I'm beyond sick of that "realism!!!" arguement.

If the game was realistic CE would've..well things would've been a hell of a lot darker in that origin. Alistair would tell the Warden he hates to GTFO , Loghain would've still insisted the Warden was a spy, so on and so forth. 

The game wouldn't be anywhere near as sunny as it is now. And it's not even that sunny to begin with. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 février 2011 - 01:42 .

[mesmerizedish]

SpottySpec wrote...
...

But then you have to look at the politics of it. The reason they opt for bi romances instead of gay is because in our culture bisexuality is perhaps more acceptable then homosexuality? It's kind of an interesting sociological standing. There was a huge outcry when the first LI scene in ME1 came out...ah hell now I'm all curious. I should bring this up in my sociology class.

I'm not sure that there's a political reason for it. BioWare are both Canadian and quite progressive in their thinking, so when David Gaider provides a very reasonable economic basis for omitting gay-exclusive romances, I believe him. 

And, if it's all about getting the most content to the most people, "everyone is bi" is the best way to do it. Which is why I'm glad that they've gone that route. Which they have. No question.*

*this does not imply any amount of uncertainty on my part; rather, it's there to let people know that one woman's certainty is another's "speculation." just like it's speculation that DAII will even be released. yep.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 20 février 2011 - 01:36 .

[Poquimo]

Hakuro de Killer wrote...

SpottySpec wrote...

I can understand why people would feel having everyone be bi would be unrealistic because let's face it, would it be realistic to say everyone in a single country is the same sexuality even if sexuality has no definition? No. It's still there even if there isn't a word for it. Even if the term "straight" didn't exist, it wouldn't make me any less not interested in women. I prefer men. That's how it goes for me and it's not weird or bad, it's just how I am like anyone else who prefers being in relationships with a certain gender or not.

Ya like what ya like, I think it's much more diverse to have people who are straight or bisexual. Hell I think it would be cool if we had bi, straight and gay LIs as in no one but men could romance this one guy or one girl could only be romanced by girls. It just adds a lot more diversity and I like that because it seems very realistic to me to have people with different preferences.

But then you have to look at the politics of it. The reason they opt for bi romances instead of gay is because in our culture bisexuality is perhaps more acceptable then homosexuality? It's kind of an interesting sociological standing. There was a huge outcry when the first LI scene in ME1 came out...ah hell now I'm all curious. I should bring this up in my sociology class.

The reason for bisexuality over homosexuality is that it means the bisexual character is more... accessible to everyone. If there were homosexual-exclusives, homophobes would be in an uproar and start calling the local churches to petition the game.

No wonder Anders hates the Chantry.

I think that is the real sad part about all of it, that's why I just take the bisexual options and RUN WITH IT lol. At least there is an option for homosexuality at all!

Seriously, I am with Anders and burning down the institution.

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...


I'm not sure that there's a political reason for it. BioWare are both Candian and quite progressive in their thinking, so when David Gaider provides a very reasonable economic basis for omitting gay-exclusive romances, I believe him. 

And, if it's all about getting the most content to the most people, "everyone is bi" is the best way to do it. Which is why I'm glad that they've gone that route. Which they have. No question.*

*this does not imply any amount of uncertainty on my part; rather, it's there to let people know that one woman's certainty is another's "speculation." just like it's speculation that DAII will even be released. yep.

That's right! I forgot about that, ahhh to live in Canada ;___;
ahah you speculate the release date? The cake is a lie DA2 release I got with my Awakenings game makes me wonder...

Modifié par SpottySpec, 20 février 2011 - 01:35 .

[obsessedwjpn]

Hakuro de Killer wrote...
The reason for bisexuality over homosexuality is that it means the bisexual character is more... accessible to everyone. If there were homosexual-exclusives, homophobes would be in an uproar and start calling the local churches to petition the game.

No wonder Anders hates the Chantry.

I know that cultures around the world are at different stages and that society is still having a hard time accepting different sexualties, but really, do we need to think so negatively and make it sound like a witch hunt? However Bioware handles the introduction of exclusively homosexual relationships, if and when they decide to add that to their games, I am sure it will not only be handled well by the company but will be marketed in a way that isn't going to send everyone into an uproar. This is 2011. Besides, the Chantry does not equal any real religious institution no matter anyone thinks.

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm not sure that there's a political reason for it. BioWare are both Candian and quite progressive in their thinking, so when David Gaider provides a very reasonable economic basis for omitting gay-exclusive romances, I believe him. 

And, if it's all about getting the most content to the most people, "everyone is bi" is the best way to do it. Which is why I'm glad that they've gone that route. Which they have. No question.*

*this does not imply any amount of uncertainty on my part; rather, it's there to let people know that one woman's certainty is another's "speculation." just like it's speculation that DAII will even be released. yep.

Teehee, you make me giggle.  I hope you're right, but dammit, I shall not stop being a pessimist!  Your optimism is not going to win me over, missy.

[The Ethereal Writer]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...


And, if it's all about getting the most content to the most people, "everyone is bi" is the best way to do it. Which is why I'm glad that they've gone that route. Which they have. No question.*

*this does not imply any amount of uncertainty on my part; rather, it's there to let people know that one woman's certainty is another's "speculation." just like it's speculation that DAII will even be released. yep.

seriously though, if that is in fact the case, if all the LI are in fact bi, I won't be all upset about it. I prefer that they don't do it that way, but if they do I'll make the best out of. Either way, I'll be happy, both will be very interesting. Especially when you make an ugly Hawke that not even your blind Mabari would have sex with.

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm not sure that there's a political reason for it. BioWare are both Canadian and quite progressive in their thinking, so when David Gaider provides a very reasonable economic basis for omitting gay-exclusive romances, I believe him. 

And, if it's all about getting the most content to the most people, "everyone is bi" is the best way to do it. Which is why I'm glad that they've gone that route. Which they have. No question.*

*this does not imply any amount of uncertainty on my part; rather, it's there to let people know that one woman's certainty is another's "speculation." just like it's speculation that DAII will even be released. yep.

Yeah I doubt it's political. Far more sense to be economical. 

...You're really chilling in that optimist bubble aren't you? 

[Poquimo]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...


And, if it's all about getting the most content to the most people, "everyone is bi" is the best way to do it. Which is why I'm glad that they've gone that route. Which they have. No question.*

*this does not imply any amount of uncertainty on my part; rather, it's there to let people know that one woman's certainty is another's "speculation." just like it's speculation that DAII will even be released. yep.

seriously though, if that is in fact the case, if all the LI are in fact bi, I won't be all upset about it. I prefer that they don't do it that way, but if they do I'll make the best out of. Either way, I'll be happy, both will be very interesting. Especially when you make an ugly Hawke that not even your blind Mabari would have sex with.

fhhh yoda

If everyone is bi and nothing hurts I will be quite content with it as well. I agree I prefer they wouldn't, but if they do I'll still play the game.
And I must see this ugly Hawke someday. Not even a blind Mabari? Sweet wounded jesus.

[mesmerizedish]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah I doubt it's political. Far more sense to be economical. 

...You're really chilling in that optimist bubble aren't you? 

What can I say? It's air-conditioned.

[_Aine_]

obsessedwjpn wrote...

I think we should just do away with terms like homosexual, heterosexual, asexual, bisexual, etc. and all that nonsense in both games and real life. Love who you want, be with whatever character you want in the game (whether that character and your morals/ideas clash or not being the key factor to whether you can work a relationship out, not sexuality) and be happy.

Yeah, there we go. Love is love.

It would be nice if people could do this.  They are just labels after all, people are more complex than that  I think the kicker is that a label should not be used to strictly define anyone else but yourself to yourself.

Only in games does a characters "orientation" mean they will automatically be interested in you anyway lol  In RL, it doesn't matter if you are both gay, both straight, both bi -- there has to be more to it than just matching "labels" for there to be any attraction, and even more required for real caring, compatibility and love.      Compatibility and love is more complicated than physics, chemistry and biology combined.  How can you properly classify that into convenient compartments for the sake of easy understanding?    It isn't often you can look across a crowded room and shout " Hey, you straight?" and have your sexy stranger answer " Me? Yes!" and you look at your friend and go " Oh baby, I am SO in love tonight."  based SOLELY on the answer.....  (please don't use college drinking stories to undermine my analogy, thanks! I know very well how those go.   lol)  

Gay, straight, bi -- fact remains that 90% of the world won't just love you " 'cause you sexier than Elvis and happen to be here"...  Your odds are infinitely greater in Dragon Age though.       After all: It is just a game. 

Whatever Bioware decides to do is their own business decision really and I am sure there are good reasons for all of the choices they make.... whether we decide to whip ourselves flamboyantly into a frenzy trying to discover the secret why's and why nots is more our problem than their intention though I am afraid.  

Modifié par shantisands, 20 février 2011 - 01:43 .

[ErichHartmann]

I like this thread, its silly. On a more serious note how much jealousy will likely be generated from juggling multiple romances?