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[The Ethereal Writer]

and also, why the hell are there still books about blood magic if it's forbidden? Why didn't they burn them if they're SO evil? Can he be blamed fully because the damn Circle and Templars left a book regarding the subject in the library? Bunch of idiots if you ask me....

[lilliful]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Jowan was the most pathetic creature I've seen in a video game in a long time.

This. 

The whole game I wanted to tell him to grow te f*** up. 

I'll agree he was annoying a lot of the time, but wanting to genuinely make up for his mistakes? Not fighting the idea of sending him into the Fade? Protecting refugees? That makes him pretty mature imho. He only trusted Loghain because the teyrn was a hero, and most likely he hadn't heard anything bad about Ostagar regarding the Teyrn.

While I thought the plot point of "I'm in love with a chantry sister" was stupid, I guess I really liked his character because he acted as I would have. I mean, if I was going to be made tranquil and lived inside that circle tower that I could hardly leave watched by templars every day, you bet I would learn some blood magic and hope to bust out of there and totally wouldn't feel remorse for any templars I killed. As for poisoning Eamon, I probably would have been conflicted but, as you said, if it was the biggest hero and the highest ranked noble that Ferelden had, I'd probably trust him, especially if I received my orders before Ostagar even happened. By the end he's completely willing to accept death to atone, and he comes back to offer the ritual even when he could have fled. But I guess that's just my take on it -- the characters I don't tend to jive well with are the very moral ones.

EDIT: Also, now I guess we're all totally off-topic. Back to LIs, do you think everyone starts out exactly middle ways between friend and rival? I never thought that was realistic -- I think some would be initially more suspicious or trusting than others.

Modifié par lilliful, 21 février 2011 - 10:11 .

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...
I'll agree he was annoying a lot of the time, but wanting to genuinely make up for his mistakes? Not fighting the idea of sending him into the Fade? Protecting refugees? That makes him pretty mature imho. He only trusted Loghain because the teyrn was a hero, and most likely he hadn't heard anything bad about Ostagar regarding the Teyrn.

 

Yeah I feel no sympathy because everything was his fault. From the jump.  

Though if he fought being sent into the Fade it wouldn't have done him any good. He decided to poison someone. I don't care who told him to do it the act itself was extremely questionable, and then he agrees to tutor a child mage despite knowing he's a lousy teacher and how dangerous mages are and still poisons the kid's father and puts the kid in a desperate position that he would be aware demons would prey on! 

He's a fool. If I could've killed him in the origin it would've been done. 

[Count Viceroy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Yeah I feel no sympathy because everything was his fault. From the jump.  

Though if he fought being sent into the Fade it wouldn't have done him any good. He decided to poison someone. I don't care who told him to do it the act itself was extremely questionable, and then he agrees to tutor a child mage despite knowing he's a lousy teacher and how dangerous mages are and still poisons the kid's father and puts the kid in a desperate position that he would be aware demons would prey on! 

He's a fool. If I could've killed him in the origin it would've been done. 

Indeed, regardless of intentions, he's a screwup. And he's proven twice over that he's dangerous.

[Raraptor]

lilliful wrote...
EDIT: Also, now I guess we're all totally off-topic. Back to LIs, do you think everyone starts out exactly middle ways between friend and rival? I never thought that was realistic -- I think some would be initially more suspicious or trusting than others.

I'd think so, yeah. It would be logical if it is as you say; certain characters approving of your actions more easily or not at all, depending on their personality, own opinion etc. and how your choices influence their behavior towards you with that in mind. At the beginning of meeting almost any new character in a game, the needle is somewhere in the middle of the scale. Maybe certain events will also play its part before you even meet potential LIs and will manipulate that needle, so who knows. I guess we all just have to wait and see, but personally I think it will start in the middle like usual and gradually get better or worse depending on how you treat them.

I still wonder which LIs are bi... Guess it's still a surprise?

[lilliful]

Raraptor wrote...

lilliful wrote...
EDIT: Also, now I guess we're all totally off-topic. Back to LIs, do you think everyone starts out exactly middle ways between friend and rival? I never thought that was realistic -- I think some would be initially more suspicious or trusting than others.

I'd think so, yeah. It would be logical if it is as you say; certain characters approving of your actions more easily or not at all, depending on their personality, own opinion etc. and how your choices influence their behavior towards you with that in mind. At the beginning of meeting almost any new character in a game, the needle is somewhere in the middle of the scale. Maybe certain events will also play its part before you even meet potential LIs and will manipulate that needle, so who knows. I guess we all just have to wait and see, but personally I think it will start in the middle like usual and gradually get better or worse depending on how you treat them.

I still wonder which LIs are bi... Guess it's still a surprise?

They're all bi!

[Raraptor]

lilliful wrote...
They're all bi!

What? Really?!  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

[Taleroth]

Down with the haters. Jowan was my bro.

[lilliful]

Raraptor wrote...

lilliful wrote...
They're all bi!

What? Really?!  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

Yes! So we have been lead to believe by developer comments and PC Gamer's review. Believe in the power of your dreams! <3

[Xtori]

lilliful wrote...

Raraptor wrote...

lilliful wrote...
They're all bi!

What? Really?!  [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/w00t.png[/smilie]

Yes! So we have been lead to believe by developer comments and PC Gamer's review. Believe in the power of your dreams! <3

That would be pretty cool if they were. I <3  Merrill.

[The Ethereal Writer]

Taleroth wrote...

Down with the haters. Jowan was my bro.

*high fives you*

Yes Jowan was a true bro. If Blood Magic is so bad why didn't they take every book and hide it in some sort of vault or something, instead of trying to pin all the blame on Jowan. Templar douches....  

but of course no one in the Chantry is ever wrong or at fault.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Down with the haters. Jowan was my bro.

*high fives you*

Yes Jowan was a true bro. If Blood Magic is so bad why didn't they take every book and hide it in some sort of vault or something, instead of trying to pin all the blame on Jowan. Templar douches....  

but of course no one in the Chantry is ever wrong or at fault.

 

Oh yes because poor poor Jowan. Those templars forced him to learn blood magic to cover up for his poor magic skill. They forced him to use blood magic and then lie about it, they forced him to sleep with a sister and drag her and his BFF into his lying nonsense. 

Poor Poor Jowan. 

He's just a mindless, brainless puppet.  Poor baby.

The man made his choices. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 février 2011 - 11:16 .

[silver-crescent]

Jowan not being a full companion was a huge disappointment for me. His character had tons of potential.

[The Ethereal Writer]

Ryzaki wrote...

Oh yes because poor poor Jowan. Those templars forced him to learn blood magic to cover up for his poor magic skill. They forced him to use blood magic and then lie about it, they forced him to sleep with a sister and drag her and his BFF into his lying nonsense. 

Poor Poor Jowan. 

He's just a mindless, brainless puppet.  Poor baby.

The man made his choices. 

I'm not saying they FORCED him to, but they know full well blood magic is banned, yet they keep the books in the library where all mages have access to? what kind of messed up logic is that?
And yes, his falling in love with a woman, despite her being a part of the Chantry, was a very big no no. Who was he to fall in love? Man, love is so messed up. He should've just left her alone. I regret falling in love with Leliana, who was also a sister in the Chantry now. (Sarcasm)

and he defeated 4 Desire demons in the fade and some Rage demons, that proves how powerful a mage he is. Blood magic or no.

and yea he should've just walked up to the Templars and said "Hey guys! I learned some blood magic, why don't you make me Tranquil, despite me being in love and everything!" Because that makes sense.....

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer, 21 février 2011 - 11:25 .

[Ianamus]

Does anybody know if Zevran/Leliana were confirmed as bi as soon as they were confirmed as LI's, or if that was revealed later?

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...
I'm not saying they FORCED him to, but they know full well blood magic is banned, yet they keep the books in the library where all mages have access to? what kind of messed up logic is that?
And yes, his falling in love with a woman, despite her being a part of the Chantry, was a very big no no. Who was he to fall in love? Man, love is so messed up. He should've just left her alone. I regret falling in love with Leliana, who was also a sister in the Chantry now. (Sarcasm)

and he defeated 4 Desire demons in the fade and some Rage demons, that proves how powerful a mage he is. Blood magic or no.

Following that brilliant logic books about murder and other crimes should be banned. They exist so people can learn why their wrong and why people do such things. Ignorance shouldn't be encouraged. 

Fall in love? Nothing wrong with that. Carry on a relationship that he knows will endanger her life because he can't resist using blood magic is just plain stupid and doesn't show much "love" at all. 

And Leliana and the Warden have a very different situation from Jowan and Lily so don't even start comparing the two. 

Did you look at Jowan's pathetic skill set? He sucks! And *any* mage you send into the fade no matter how badly specced can defeat those demons. 

He's been at the circle longer than the Warden yet never gets his test because of his dabbling in blood magic. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 février 2011 - 11:32 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

I loved Jowan. At first I didn't give him a second thought, but then I played the mage origin and I couldn't help but pity him. It's obvious he doesn't think things through and that he keeps making the worst possible decisions. It was sad to watch him dig himself deeper and deeper when he was obviously just scared. I think in the end he was a good person, just not very smart or very brave. I can't really fault him for that, not everyone can be a hero.

[The Ethereal Writer]

to us the demons are easy, to the people of Thedas they're a menace and hard to defeat.



And fine, keep those books open to the eyes. NOT TO MAGES. That's just asking for trouble. To Templars yes, to non-mage people yes, to random soldiers yes. To mages? The people who can use such destructive magic? That's just stupid.



He only used the blood magic in that scene to defend her from the Aeonar, where I assume she'd be killed for treason. Didn't work out so well, it really screwed things up between them.



And yes, his skills suck, because they should've made him the epitome of magic skills despite you never having used him after the origin story. His skill set isn't that bad, depending on your level. If you tackle Redcliffe first, maybe his skills suck. Tackle it last, they're pretty good.

[silver-crescent]

EJ107 wrote...

Does anybody know if Zevran/Leliana were confirmed as bi as soon as they were confirmed as LI's, or if that was revealed later?

I think it wasn't even known if there were going to be bi love interests until just a few days before the game was released.

[The Ethereal Writer]

and so because he's messed up badly twice, but sincerely wants to redeem himself you should be entitled to be his executioner (I realize there is a dialogue option for that, but still )? Just because you hate him he should die? I agree with Ravenstar, if anything there should be pity not hatred against him.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

to us the demons are easy, to the people of Thedas they're a menace and hard to defeat.

And Jowan is a mage which makes him automatically not most people. 

And fine, keep those books open to the eyes. NOT TO MAGES. That's just asking for trouble. To Templars yes, to non-mage people yes, to random soldiers yes. To mages? The people who can use such destructive magic? That's just stupid.

Yes its so stupid to let people learn about how dangerous and destructive they can be and why people fear them. Such a stupid stupid thing to do. We shouldn't teach people about weapons and how they can be used because who knows when someone will just grab a weapon and use it against someone for no reason! 

He only used the blood magic in that scene to defend her from the Aeonar, where I assume she'd be killed for treason. Didn't work out so well, it really screwed things up between them.

He had been using it for a while "dabbled a little". He didn't tell her that his impending tranquilization was actually for breaking the law. Instead he lied to her and would've continued lying to her if he had gotten away with it. 

And yes, his skills suck, because they should've made him the epitome of magic skills despite you never having used him after the origin story. His skill set isn't that bad, depending on your level. If you tackle Redcliffe first, maybe his skills suck. Tackle it last, they're pretty good.

Nope. All they had to do was give him blood wound and he would've been fine. He didn't even know that much. Not only was he messing with a dangerous magic. He was messing with it withoutfully understanding it or doing anything decent with it. 

I don't trust him far enough to throw him and the only way to send him in the fade is if you drag all the mages from the circle to Redcliffe. which I can't be bothered doing due to its sheer stupidity. 

Though you mind taking a screenie of his skills or just telling me what they are? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 février 2011 - 11:44 .

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

and so because he's messed up badly twice, but sincerely wants to redeem himself you should be entitled to be his executioner (I realize there is a dialogue option for that, but still )? Just because you hate him he should die? I agree with Ravenstar, if anything there should be pity not hatred against him.

He caused the slaughter of nearly countless people! Yes he deserves execution! 

You forget all those corpses at Redcliffe? Those were people! People who died because of his stupidity! 

[Ianamus]

silver-crescent wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

Does anybody know if Zevran/Leliana were confirmed as bi as soon as they were confirmed as LI's, or if that was revealed later?

I think it wasn't even known if there were going to be bi love interests until just a few days before the game was released.

Hmm then perhaps the whole not telling us who the bi romances are is just them keeping it secret until later then, rather then them all being bi options (no idea why so many people seem to think that's the case)

Thanks for the info anyhow

[The Ethereal Writer]

you don't need a book that gives details on the destructive capabilities of blood magic to learn about that! "Here's a blueprint of what spells to use to make someone's blood boil from inside them and splatter them everywhere! Oh but don't use it, that's a no no" A sword is not as dangerous as exploding a man everywhere when he can't do anything to stop you



He had Winter's Grasp, arcane bolt, flame blast, Stonefist I think, Heal, Arcane Shield, that's off the top of my head. And obviously a couple of blood magic spells. I'll play it again and send you a PM when I see the rest. Sound good?

[The Ethereal Writer]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer wrote...

and so because he's messed up badly twice, but sincerely wants to redeem himself you should be entitled to be his executioner (I realize there is a dialogue option for that, but still )? Just because you hate him he should die? I agree with Ravenstar, if anything there should be pity not hatred against him.

He caused the slaughter of nearly countless people! Yes he deserves execution! 

You forget all those corpses at Redcliffe? Those were people! People who died because of his stupidity! 

The DEMON did all that! Not Jowan! Jowan was indirectly responsible!