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[Raraptor]

lilliful wrote...

Sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how bisexual everyone is.

Epic :lol:

[Maelora]

shadesinbetween wrote...
I don't know if anyone else felt that acquiring love interest in ME2 was rushed and 'effortless'?

I dunno... I had to download something that took hours and pay for the priviledge to even have a romance.

Hardly 'effortless'...

[Ryzaki]

Ah you mean LoTSB? Let's not forget that Liara isn't even "female" despite being a member of an all female race. *shakes head*



Anyways if the bi LI is an NPC I want him to be a templar. A sexy but tormented templar for my apostate! Hawke.

[Maelora]

Ryzaki wrote...
Ah you mean LoTSB? Let's not forget that Liara isn't even "female" despite being a member of an all female race. *shakes head*
Anyways if the bi LI is an NPC I want him to be a templar. A sexy but tormented templar for my apostate! Hawke.

Oh yeah, forgot about that... Boobs and everything, but not female. Right. Thanks, Casey.  

Just remember that your NPC tormented templar will look like Cammen!

[LiaraShepard]

lilliful wrote...

shadesinbetween wrote...

I don't know if anyone else felt that acquiring love interest in ME2 was rushed and 'effortless.' In all the RPGs BioWare has ever released, the player had to work towards the romance with the NPCs, but in ME2 it was like "I want you" and done, those charismatic words got you free access to nearly anyone.
Anyways, I really, REALLY didn't like how little effort was required for the LIs in ME2, so I'm kind of concerned with DA-2. Will it be similarily as easy, or will it more resemble Origins and ME1?

For Origins you could kind of Ninja-in a romance before you'd even completed a single quest... for many, many characters. In fact, in this regard, Zevran was one of the hardest to romance (you need to complete all main quests and get to the Landsmeet and confront Taleisen before he will become "love"). I think the original ME was the most fun/realistic though -- I'm thinking it'll be like that since you can't prompt conversation anytime/anyplace just by talking to them. Or, at least I hope it'll be like that!

But it was strange. When he had given you the earring the romance plot was nearly over. There was only one conversation left...andafter it nothing important happend anymore. While with Morrigan there was at least a  "true end"  and that's although she had left the grey warden. It was still a bigger ending in my oppinion..

[Ryzaki]

Yeah and it's not like Alistair's romance ends after you sleep together. The landsmeet is a large obstacle for his romance, and then of course is the DR itself.

Whenever I hear someone say Zev's romance lasts longer than Ali's I'm very very confused.

And while Zev had Taliesan Ali had Goldanna, the entire landsmeet, and part of Redcliff.

So yeah not seeing how Zev had more content.

Leliana has Marjoline but Morrigan has Flemeth and the DR.

Both Ali and Morri had more content than their bi counterparts.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2011 - 09:30 .

[LiaraShepard]

I so hope there are more balanced characters and romances this time.

[lilliful]

Ryzaki wrote...
Anyways if the bi LI is an NPC I want him to be a templar. A sexy but tormented templar for my apostate! Hawke.

I support this option in addition to the all-bisexual love interests. I heart tormented templars that can't help but love mages. Oh Cullen... Playing a mage with a templar fetish in DA:O was the most fun I had on any of my playthroughs.

[Ryzaki]

LiaraShepard wrote...

I so hope there are more balanced characters and romances this time.

Yes this. 

And if someone only has a romance on the friendship or rivalary path I don't want that person to be the s/s LI because that would suck. All other LIs have two paths for romance except the bi LI? Lame. 

Edit: And going back to the "you never meet a bi LI first" thing you never do. Granted you don't always meet a straight LI first but of the two LIs you meet you always meet the straight one first. Without fail. If there's a straight option that's not bi as well (Sky) you'll always meet the straight options first. 

lilliful wrote...

I support this option in addition to the all-bisexual love interests. I heart tormented templars that can't help but love mages. Oh Cullen... Playing a mage with a templar fetish in DA:O was the most fun I had on any of my playthroughs.

Lolz. Dem Templars. I actually hope my mage Hawke gets captured just so I can flirt with a ew templars. I might even flirt with Meredith. <3

And then run very very far away before she beheads me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2011 - 09:36 .

[AmethystStar94]

Yay Anders!

..I miss Alistair D'=

[MorningBird]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh. I see no reason for them to keep it a secret if that was the case. I'm just not seeing it. I think the bi LIs are probably going to be outside the party. 

I would like if Seb was a LI too. Very sexy accent. 

Well, there are a few reasons why they would keep it a secret.

The first is that they actually have no obligation to tell us anything. lol

The second is that they feed on the human suffering of their fans.

And the third (and this PURELY speculation on my part) is based off some observations I made in the Fenris thread, when we were still guessing who the voice actor for him could be.

Someone said something along the lines of, "If it's not 'THIS PERSON', I will eat my hat." and a dev was very quick to correct them by suggesting they eat it with salt.  However, when someone CORRECTLY guessed that it was Gideon Emery, absolute silence.

That being said, I think that if all of the LI's weren't bi, someone would have mentioned it by now, or at least cleared up some of the word confusion in both that one game article (which said you could persue anyone, be they man, woman, or a human possessed by the spirit of Justice) and the first post of this thread (which says "These are your love interests, pitch your woo accordingly.")

But no one has bothered to correct ishmaeltheforsaken, who is saying, "They ARE all bi." Not "I think they're all bi."  or the article, or even Chris's post... which leads me to believe that there's simply NO REASON to correct them (because they're right. lol)

It just seems suspicious to me, so I too am choosing to believe they're all bi.   Which is actually kind of funny.

I THINK WE HAVE SWITCHED POSITIONS, RYZAKI.  Just think, a few hundred pages ago, I said I was being pessimistic.

[shadesinbetween]

lilliful wrote...

shadesinbetween wrote...

I don't know if anyone else felt that acquiring love interest in ME2 was rushed and 'effortless.' In all the RPGs BioWare has ever released, the player had to work towards the romance with the NPCs, but in ME2 it was like "I want you" and done, those charismatic words got you free access to nearly anyone.
Anyways, I really, REALLY didn't like how little effort was required for the LIs in ME2, so I'm kind of concerned with DA-2. Will it be similarily as easy, or will it more resemble Origins and ME1?

For Origins you could kind of Ninja-in a romance before you'd even completed a single quest... for many, many characters. In fact, in this regard, Zevran was one of the hardest to romance (you need to complete all main quests and get to the Landsmeet and confront Taleisen before he will become "love"). I think the original ME was the most fun/realistic though -- I'm thinking it'll be like that since you can't prompt conversation anytime/anyplace just by talking to them. Or, at least I hope it'll be like that!

Click a button, lost my post, a little ticked off lol.

I'm afraid I didn't express myself properly. When I was saying 'rushed and effortless' I didn't mean right out the gates everyone is hot for you. I meant that it wasn't the same build up that you got with Liara, Ashley or Kaiden. When I was playing my first run-through I was pretty much in the dark about who I was wooing, and all of a sudden I get an option with virtual every companion that ran along the same lines of "I want you."

[Maelora]

Ryzaki wrote...
And if someone only has a romance on the friendship or rivalary path I don't want that person to be the s/s LI because that would suck. All other LIs have two paths for romance except the bi LI? Lame. 

Nooooooo!

Ryzaki, please!  Now you're getting me depressed!

Can't we go back to the way it was, with me being the Debbie Downer?

[Naemi79]

MorningBird wrote...


Well, there are a few reasons why they would keep it a secret.

The first is that they actually have no obligation to tell us anything. lol

The second is that they feed on the human suffering of their fans.

And the third (and this PURELY speculation on my part) is based off some observations I made in the Fenris thread, when we were still guessing who the voice actor for him could be.

Someone said something along the lines of, "If it's not 'THIS PERSON', I will eat my hat." and a dev was very quick to correct them by suggesting they eat it with salt.  However, when someone CORRECTLY guessed that it was Gideon Emery, absolute silence.

That being said, I think that if all of the LI's weren't bi, someone would have mentioned it by now, or at least cleared up some of the word confusion in both that one game article (which said you could persue anyone, be they man, woman, or a human possessed by the spirit of Justice) and the first post of this thread (which says "These are your love interests, pitch your woo accordingly.")

But no one has bothered to correct ishmaeltheforsaken, who is saying, "They ARE all bi." Not "I think they're all bi."  or the article, or even Chris's post... which leads me to believe that there's simply NO REASON to correct them (because they're right. lol)

I just soooo wanna believe this
I´ve said it before and I´ll say it again        THEY ARE ALL BI!!!!!     

[Ryzaki]

MorningBird wrote...
Well, there are a few reasons why they would keep it a secret.

The first is that they actually have no obligation to tell us anything.  lol

Then why bother telling us the het options? 

The second is that they feed on the human suffering of their fans.

More suffering would've been not revealing any of the LIs. 

And the third (and this PURELY speculation on my part) is based off some observations I made in the Fenris thread, when we were still guessing who the voice actor for him could be.

Someone said something along the lines of, "If it's not 'THIS PERSON', I will eat my hat." and a dev was very quick to correct them by suggesting they eat it with salt.  However, when someone CORRECTLY guessed that it was Gideon Emery, absolute silence.

Interesting speculation but I don't buy it. Plenty of other incorrect speculation went around and there was absolute silence. I'm looking at you 2-1-2011 >_> 

That being said, I think that if all of the LI's weren't bi, someone would have mentioned it by now, or at least cleared up some of the word confusion in both that one game article (which said you could persue anyone, be they man, woman, or a human possessed by the spirit of Justice) and the first post of this thread (which says "These are your love interests, pitch your woo accordingly.")

I'm still looking at you 2-1-2011. 

But no one has bothered to correct ishmaeltheforsaken, who is saying, "They ARE all bi." Not "I think they're all bi."  or the article, or even Chris's post... which leads me to believe that there's simply NO REASON to correct them (because they're right.  lol)

Or because there's not actually an LI among the companions and they don't feel like having this thread explode with petty bickering and insults (moreso than already). 

It just seems suspicious to me, so I too am choosing to believe they're all bi.   Which is actually kind of funny.

I THINK WE HAVE SWITCHED POSITIONS, RYZAKI.  Just think, a few hundred pages ago, I said I was being pessimistic.

Hm...its suspcious to me to but I'm choosing to believe none of them are bi. Which is pretty funny. 

Lulz. Optimist. 

Maelora wrote...
Nooooooo!

Ryzaki, please!  Now you're getting me depressed!

Can't we go back to the way it was, with me being the Debbie Downer?

Lulz. 

Might as well go all the way. 

You've lost your touch is what happened. XD 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2011 - 09:43 .

[lilliful]

shadesinbetween wrote...
I don't know if anyone else felt that acquiring love interest in ME2 was rushed and 'effortless.' In all the RPGs BioWare has ever released, the player had to work towards the romance with the NPCs, but in ME2 it was like "I 
Click a button, lost my post, a little ticked off lol.

I'm afraid I didn't express myself properly. When I was saying 'rushed and effortless' I didn't mean right out the gates everyone is hot for you. I meant that it wasn't the same build up that you got with Liara, Ashley or Kaiden. When I was playing my first run-through I was pretty much in the dark about who I was wooing, and all of a sudden I get an option with virtual every companion that ran along the same lines of "I want you."

Yeah I totally get what you mean for ME2. Twice I had to re-load a save because I had accidentally won a priiiiiiiiiiize. And then he gets super mad at you if you break it off. I also didn't think the sudden "omg ilu" in ME2 made any sense like... really Thane? You don't even know me. So yeah, I completely understand. I'm hoping it's well-paced and realistic for DA2 as well.

[LiaraShepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...

I so hope there are more balanced characters and romances this time.

Yes this. 

And if someone only has a romance on the friendship or rivalary path I don't want that person to be the s/s LI because that would suck. All other LIs have two paths for romance except the bi LI? Lame. 

Edit: And going back to the "you never meet a bi LI first" thing you never do. Granted you don't always meet a straight LI first but of the two LIs you meet you always meet the straight one first. Without fail. If there's a straight option that's not bi as well (Sky) you'll always meet the straight options first. 

lilliful wrote...

I support this option in addition to the all-bisexual love interests. I heart tormented templars that can't help but love mages. Oh Cullen... Playing a mage with a templar fetish in DA:O was the most fun I had on any of my playthroughs.

Lolz. Dem Templars. I actually hope my mage Hawke gets captured just so I can flirt with a ew templars. I might even flirt with Meredith. <3

And then run very very far away before she beheads me. 

I hope two of them are real bi love interests and the other ones at least able to fall in love with you if you work hard enough and persuade them. there are enough people in reality who describes themselves as hetero and who still loved one person of the same gender in the past. Especially straight girls can fall in love with other girls if it's worth it. I made the experience myself.

[LiaraShepard]

okay, I know...that's extremely unlikely for a game, because of the effort.

Modifié par LiaraShepard, 23 février 2011 - 09:47 .

[shadesinbetween]

lilliful wrote...
Yeah I totally get what you mean for ME2. Twice I had to re-load a save because I had accidentally won a priiiiiiiiiiize. And then he gets super mad at you if you break it off. I also didn't think the sudden "omg ilu" in ME2 made any sense like... really Thane? You don't even know me. So yeah, I completely understand. I'm hoping it's well-paced and realistic for DA2 as well.

Lawls, Thane is who I'm totally refering to, too. I felt very uncomfortable talking about his dead wife and then being all "Hey Thane. Wanna join me in the Captain's room?" And I really liked Thane; I probably would have gone for him if it wasn't sprung on me so suddenly. O_o

I had no other issues like this in any of the other games. Just with ME2. -shrugs-

[Ryzaki]

LiaraShepard wrote...
I hope two of them are real bi love interests and the other ones at least able to fall in love with you if you work hard enough and persuade them. there are enough people in reality who describes themselves as hetero and who still loved one person of the same gender in the past. Especially straight girls can fall in love with other girls if it's worth it. I made the experience myself.

I doubt it. They would have to voice act and write differences for male/female Hawke that's a friend/rival lover. That's already 4 permutations. It's just not cost effective.

Then of course are the friendship paths. It's just a lot of work for relatively little pay-off. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2011 - 09:52 .

[mellifera]

What? I honestly don't think they would go through the trouble of making whole new characters solely for the m/m romance, even if they're just NPCs. It's just more practical to develop the group you already have especially when the option is bisexual as opposed to gay. From a game standpoint it takes less manoeuvring to make an established companion bi than making a whole new guy from scratch just for that. I dunno, it just makes no sense to me that BioWare (we're talking about the DA team here, not ME's) would go out of their way to make the m/m romance option a totally different character that isn't part of your integral group. The m/m option is definitely in the group of four that have been revealed, I would bet good money on that.

Modifié par yukidama, 23 février 2011 - 09:53 .

[LiaraShepard]

*sighs* unfortunately, you might be right, Ryzaki. Okay, when there are only two bisexual characters of your group I think it's Fenris and Isabela since I bet they are not as important as the other characters for the story line. but that's just a thought.

[Ryzaki]

yukidama wrote...

What? I honestly don't think they would go through the trouble of making whole new characters solely for the s/s romances, even if they're just NPCs. It's just more practical to develop the group you already have especially when the option is bisexual as opposed to gay, from a game standpoint it takes less manoeuvring to make an established companion bi than making a whole new guy just for that. I dunno, it just makes no sense to me that BioWare would go out of their way to make the m/m romance option a totally different character that isn't part of your integral group. The m/m option is definitely in the group of four that have been revealed, I would bet good money on that.

 

They make NPCs for everything else and I doubt the character would soley be for s/s romances. That wasn't Kelly's only purpose. 

As for practicality would it not be cheaper to have a side character a romance and then not have to deal with writing jealousy convo's/acknowledgement from other character's in the party vs having to do different combinations of jealous dialogue? Then you don't have to deal with variations of dialogue dealing with the character being in a romance with the PC and you then have the ability to make the dialogue more gender specific for both LIs. 

To me it makes sense. Heck it could be great storytelling that Hawke has a lover waiting for him/her that isn't a party member. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2011 - 10:03 .

[MorningBird]

Ryzaki wrote...
Then why bother telling us the het options?

Technically, they didn't tell us who the het or bi options were.  They just told us who the options were. 

Ryzaki wrote...
More suffering would've been not revealing any of the LIs.

Maybe they're only after tears with a certain percentage of salt content?

Ryzaki wrote...
Interesting speculation but I don't buy it. Plenty of other incorrect speculation went around and there was absolute silence. I'm looking at you 2-1-2011 >_>

That's because the incorrect speculation distracts from the correct speculation!  My logic is flawless!

Ryzaki wrote...
Hm...its suspcious to me to but I'm choosing to believe none of them are bi. Which is pretty funny.

Lulz. Optimist.

YOUR PESSIMISM WOUNDS ME, MADAM.

Modifié par MorningBird, 23 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[Ryzaki]

MorningBird wrote...
Technically, they didn't tell us who the het or bi options were.  They just told us who the options were. 

And told us that to find out who the bi options we needed to play the game. Maybe we have to play the game because the bi options are unspecified NPCs. 

Maybe they're only after tears with a certain percentage of salt content? 

Unlikely. 

That's because the incorrect speculation distracts from the correct speculation!   My logic is flawless!

 That's some optimism right there. 

YOUR PESSIMISM WOUNDS ME, MADAM. 

Indeed? Well I regret nothing! 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 février 2011 - 10:05 .