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[HolyAvenger]

MorningBird wrote...


If you urge her to fight back, she pretty much says, "Tried that once, look where it got me."

I'm currently trying to figure out which path would benefit her more.  Reclaiming the relic, or trying to convince her to put down Castillon, because I really doubt that guy is going to back off even if she returns whatever it is she lost.

I presume with your strength/love you can convince her to do it again and make it stick this time, maybe even end up fighting Castillon himself (ala Marjolaine).

I agree with your conclusion that he won't back off- she says he wants her dead but that would be "too easy". So basically he's just going to keep harassing her.

Actually I really like that the rivalry dynamic is sort of calling her out on her mistakes/choices in life and trying to help her move past them rather than reinforcing them. It makes a lot of sense to me.

I can see a similar story play out for Fenris and his magister/slaver person.

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Well I didn't ask every elf I met for their sexual orientation. But if out of 2 male elf companions in 2 Bioware games are bi then I am starting to see a connection. 2 may still be a coincidence, but I can see myself posting this very same concern in Dragon Age 3 again. 'Please Bioware not again!'

I wouldn't even know why for example homosexual men should be into elves more than into humans.

I hope you're complaining about lesbian female humans then. After all both Isabela and Leliana are female. 

Maybe because the human male companions aren't bisexual? That's just a thought though. 

And of course I suppose Dairren doesn't count as human anymore. Poor Dairren. 

Well no ... I like her for my femHawke. Why should I complain about something I like? Out of a sense of fairness?

Becauseyou're being a hypocrite. It's okay for humans to be bi two games in a row but not elves? 

Maybe a bit of a hypocrite, yes. But if Merrill would have been the bi option and Isabella the straight I wouldn't care. I play with both sexes and all classes, so I get to see all options anyway. My concern is Fenris. I can't take him serious if he is just going to be Zevran 2.0. It will always be in the back of my mind somewhere.

[Ryzaki]

AlexXIV wrote...
Maybe a bit of a hypocrite, yes. But if Merrill would have been the bi option and Isabella the straight I wouldn't care. I play with both sexes and all classes, so I get to see all options anyway. My concern is Fenris. I can't take him serious if he is just going to be Zevran 2.0. It will always be in the back of my mind somewhere.

Then maybe instead of judging him on his raceyou should wait to play the game to see his personality? 

So far he shares very little in common with Zev besides the superficial. Their personalities are shaping up to be very different. 

[uknowitbeb]

Taleroth wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

lilliful wrote...
Re: HolyAvenger -- Isabela is winning the poll for most popular s/s love interest, so I'm sure plenty of the people hanging in this thread would love to discuss that with you even if they do support s/s.

Ok then, lets see if anyone actually cares to discuss this...I notice in the demo playthrough at the end you have the option to either jump straight in and help Isabela with the relic and continue her work for Castillon or try and convince her to stop working from him and that she doesn't need him.

I presume these are the two friendship (help her) and rivalry (convince her not to) dynamics. For my nice guy (or girl) characters the rivalry option is the one they would be likely to take. So I wonder how the romance plays out there? Can you convince her to go on the straight and narrow? Would you want to?

That's the impression I got, too.  It feels weird that encouraging her to stand up to him might be the rivalry path.

If I recall correctly, I think someone from Bioware mentioned that sometimes the rivalry choices were the choices most benefitial for that particular companion, and not all the friendship choices were really the right choices.

[Jenova65]

Zevran and Fenris seem poles apart tbh, in looks and personality they only have being an elf in common.......
ETA - @Ryzaki, X-posted, lol.

Modifié par Jenova65, 25 février 2011 - 01:32 .

[xKardelx]

Of course Varric

the pimp of the whole game

Isn't a romance option  

[uknowitbeb]

Wait...... is Fenris the m/m LI?

[AlexXIV]

Ryzaki wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
Maybe a bit of a hypocrite, yes. But if Merrill would have been the bi option and Isabella the straight I wouldn't care. I play with both sexes and all classes, so I get to see all options anyway. My concern is Fenris. I can't take him serious if he is just going to be Zevran 2.0. It will always be in the back of my mind somewhere.

Then maybe instead of judging him on his raceyou should wait to play the game to see his personality? 

So far he shares very little in common with Zev besides the superficial. Their personalities are shaping up to be very different. 

You got a point there, it's not like I could change anything anyway.

[Maera Imrov]

MorningBird wrote...

yukidama wrote...

How is it creepy? Even if you're not gay/bi yourself, why should that stop your character from being gay/bi? It's a role playing game, not everyone chooses to play themselves/their preferences.

Well, to be fair, I get squicked out by f/m and m/f romances. I wouldn't use the word 'creepy' to describe them, but they're definitely not for me, which is why I prefer m/m and f/f. xD

Even when role-playing certain people have preferences, at least, that's what I gather from the forum-based rpg's I've been apart of over the years. Some people are okay playing as the opposite gender, others aren't. Some people like to play gay/bi/lesbian/straight characters, other's can't.

Sometimes comfort zones determine what kind of characters people like to play. Some role-players can put their personal preferences aside in lew of the character, other's can't.

Once again, creepy is definitely not the word I would use to describe it, I always go with different strokes. {smilie}

Sums up how I feel about it, but in reverse. I can role play a lot of things, but there are some things I just can't do. Going into the SS romance territory is one of them. I have no taste for it, whether in games, fanfiction, fanart, etc. Ended up having to abandon a lot of fandoms I used to really follow because it started getting a little too heavily weighted on the SS end, for that matter. Especially when people are grasping at straws. Eh.

I have no problem playing as a male PC, I just seldom do it. I usually play females because I am female, but I can play males. I've intended to do a male PC playthrough of both ME and DA for some time, just haven't quite gotten around to it and decided who I'd like to romance, etc. Probably Jack and Morrigan, respectively.

Playing a truly evil -not just pragmatic- character is also something I've had issues with. I've tried it once or twice, but I can never see it through. Pragmatic, I can do. Cold ****, sure. Evil? Nope. I fails at it.

I don't think it much reflects on my abilities as a roleplayer, as I see ability defined more in how you tell your story, not how far you can or cannot stretch from your own preferences. I'd prefer a good roleplayer who didn't deviate too far out of a certain territory to a terrible one that was all over the place with their character types. Or an elitist bastard of either camp.

Modifié par Maera Imrov, 25 février 2011 - 01:44 .

[lilliful]

uknowitbeb wrote...

Wait...... is Fenris the m/m LI?

I never get tired of having to remind people about this. ALL the love interests are bisexual. <3

[Taleroth]

uknowitbeb wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

lilliful wrote...
Re: HolyAvenger -- Isabela is winning the poll for most popular s/s love interest, so I'm sure plenty of the people hanging in this thread would love to discuss that with you even if they do support s/s.

Ok then, lets see if anyone actually cares to discuss this...I notice in the demo playthrough at the end you have the option to either jump straight in and help Isabela with the relic and continue her work for Castillon or try and convince her to stop working from him and that she doesn't need him.

I presume these are the two friendship (help her) and rivalry (convince her not to) dynamics. For my nice guy (or girl) characters the rivalry option is the one they would be likely to take. So I wonder how the romance plays out there? Can you convince her to go on the straight and narrow? Would you want to?

That's the impression I got, too.  It feels weird that encouraging her to stand up to him might be the rivalry path.

If I recall correctly, I think someone from Bioware mentioned that sometimes the rivalry choices were the choices most benefitial for that particular companion, and not all the friendship choices were really the right choices.

It's weird.  I'm actually not used to that kind of writing from them.  I guess hardening Alistair had a shade of it.

[mesmerizedish]

lilliful wrote...

uknowitbeb wrote...

Wait...... is Fenris the m/m LI?

I never get tired of having to remind people about this. ALL the love interests are bisexual. <3

All of them. All bi. Even the secret Qunari companion.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

lilliful wrote...

uknowitbeb wrote...

Wait...... is Fenris the m/m LI?

I never get tired of having to remind people about this. ALL the love interests are bisexual. <3

All of them. All bi. Even the secret Qunari companion.

Are you pulling my chain or do you have a source?

[Taleroth]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

lilliful wrote...

I never get tired of having to remind people about this. ALL the love interests are bisexual. <3

All of them. All bi. Even the secret Darkspawn companion.

No Qunari companion.

[Karily]

Darn it ... found myself amazed in the demo to actually find Varric incredibly attractive (as was my noble dwarf Grey Warden in DAO). Great voicing ... too bad he's out of the equation.

[uknowitbeb]

Taleroth wrote...

uknowitbeb wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

lilliful wrote...
Re: HolyAvenger -- Isabela is winning the poll for most popular s/s love interest, so I'm sure plenty of the people hanging in this thread would love to discuss that with you even if they do support s/s.

Ok then, lets see if anyone actually cares to discuss this...I notice in the demo playthrough at the end you have the option to either jump straight in and help Isabela with the relic and continue her work for Castillon or try and convince her to stop working from him and that she doesn't need him.

I presume these are the two friendship (help her) and rivalry (convince her not to) dynamics. For my nice guy (or girl) characters the rivalry option is the one they would be likely to take. So I wonder how the romance plays out there? Can you convince her to go on the straight and narrow? Would you want to?

That's the impression I got, too.  It feels weird that encouraging her to stand up to him might be the rivalry path.

If I recall correctly, I think someone from Bioware mentioned that sometimes the rivalry choices were the choices most benefitial for that particular companion, and not all the friendship choices were really the right choices.

It's weird.  I'm actually not used to that kind of writing from them.  I guess hardening Alistair had a shade of it.

Now that you mention it, I guess Alistair's LI plot did have a something like that in it.

[Karily]

Oh, crap ... no more comments from me 'til I read this actual thread - Anders is now a composite of Anders and Justice?!! Can't wait to find out ... just couldn't imagine him, based on Awakenings, as a good romance option for a female Hawk. Always seemed like a very whimpy knockoff of Alistair - whiny without the sweetness and good sense of humor.

[HolyAvenger]

Karily wrote...

Always seemed like a very whimpy knockoff of Alistair - whiny without the sweetness and good sense of humor.

I thought the inverse. Anders was the funnier less whingy version of Alistair imo.

[Karily]

Lol, Holy Avenger. Sorry ... I was one of those gals in the Alistair camp (thank goodness there's finally a fantasy rpg with romance as well as very cool orc / dragon slaying). And I was FAR more intrigued when playing Awakening with Justice than with Anders ... that whole thing of a spirit trying to comprehend mortal love totally got to me, and I really wanted that story to advance. Just shoot me - but I do absolutely admire the vision of the DA creators not only in supporting gay / bisexual romance, but also in allowing the potential of (with frustrating limitations) a fairy-tale "Princess Bride" romance but also Justice's deeper attempt to figure out spousal relations.

[Valeria Cousland]

I'm still trying to figure out if you need full Friendship or full Rivalry to do a romance. Like how you needed high approval to do a romance in DAO.

[Esoj16]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Karily wrote...

Always seemed like a very whimpy knockoff of Alistair - whiny without the sweetness and good sense of humor.

I thought the inverse. Anders was the funnier less whingy version of Alistair imo.

I have to agree with Karily, Alistair wasn't whiny, he was grieving (although some people can't seem to understand that:bandit:) and Anders always seemed like a cheap Alistair knock off but without the stuff that made Alistair awesome (imo obviously ) I always like Nathaniel way better in awakening, I'm still hoping he makes an appearance, maybe he'll be the secret companion because he comes to arrest Anders for betraying the wardens and so you decide who to help and in the end you can choose between anders and nathaniel  that would be as awesome as it is unlikely 

[SamT3N7]

Valeria Cousland wrote...

I'm still trying to figure out if you need full Friendship or full Rivalry to do a romance. Like how you needed high approval to do a romance in DAO.

I heard you can have a rivalary or friendship and still have a romance.

[Valeria Cousland]

I know you can romance with either, but does the bar have to be full one way or the other?

[SamT3N7]

Valeria Cousland wrote...

I know you can romance with either, but does the bar have to be full one way or the other?

That I don't know.

[HolyAvenger]

Re: Alistair/Anders. We'll have to agree to disagree.

Valeria Cousland wrote...

I know you can romance with either, but does the bar have to be full one way or the other?

I doubt it. In Origins you could initiate the romance at quite low levels of approval. I assume the same will happen here ie it starts at low values of friendship/rivalry for some characters (Isabela looking to keep things physical) and higher for others (Fenris I presume takes a while to thaw...)