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[Bekkael]

Even if there are only mild flirtations in DA2, such as you could have with Bann Teagan in DAO, that would still be satisfying.

[Ryzaki]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

You can flirt with Aveline and Varric and Sebastian as well. 

How do you know?


More rhetorically, why am I still arguing. I'm done. I trust the devs' reason(s) not to reveal.

Because the devs said so. 

Alright then. 

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I don't know about Aveline, but one of the writer's mentioned that you could flirt with Sebastian when asked if he had a romance.

I still hope Sebastian is going to be a romance.  It's the face and the accent.  And the whole 'exiled' prince thing.  He's like the Alistair of DA:2, but with THE BONUS OF A REVENGE STORYLINE! 

[lilliful]

MorningBird wrote...

I still hope Sebastian is going to be a romance.  It's the face and the accent.  And the whole 'exiled' prince thing.  He's like the Alistair of DA:2, but with THE BONUS OF A REVENGE STORYLINE! 

A BAMF Alistair? I'm in.

[MorningBird]

lilliful wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

I still hope Sebastian is going to be a romance.  It's the face and the accent.  And the whole 'exiled' prince thing.  He's like the Alistair of DA:2, but with THE BONUS OF A REVENGE STORYLINE! 

A BAMF Alistair? I'm in.

Not just a BAMF Alistair, but an Alistair who looked like he crawled out of the DUNE 'verse.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah if only Sebastian had been in the vanilla game. *sighs* He would've been prime romance material.

[mesmerizedish]

MorningBird wrote...

Not just a BAMF Alistair, but an Alistair who looked like he crawled out of the DUNE 'verse.

Omigod, you're right

On a related note, all I'm going to be able to think about until I go to sleep is Sting in a diaper.

[lilliful]

MorningBird wrote...
Not just a BAMF Alistair, but an Alistair who looked like he crawled out of the DUNE 'verse.

The spice must flow. Preferably into M!Hawke. Sorry HolyAvenger, I can't be true to myself without gaying up the thread, haha. Not purposefully trying to scare people off.

[mesmerizedish]

lilliful wrote...

MorningBird wrote...
Not just a BAMF Alistair, but an Alistair who looked like he crawled out of the DUNE 'verse.

The spice must flow. Preferably into M!Hawke. Sorry HolyAvenger, I can't be true to myself without gaying up the thread, haha. Not purposefully trying to scare people off.

Everyone knows who the real masters of this thread are, anyway.

[HolyAvenger]

I suspect they won't make Seb an LI simply because there will be a large percentage of players not getting him hence no point sinking resources into making him one. But *shrugs* I could be wrong.



Its alright, I was having fun swapping innuendoes with the lesbians in the F/F thread before I don't mind.

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Everyone knows who the real masters of this thread are, anyway.

Evil!Chris and his Mabari war-hound?

[mesmerizedish]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I suspect they won't make Seb an LI simply because there will be a large percentage of players not getting him hence no point sinking resources into making him one. But *shrugs* I could be wrong.

Well, by that logic, why give him a unique costume? Why give him unique dialogues? Hell, why make him at all? There are lots of reasons not to make Sebastian a romance option, not lastly among them being "not everyone needs to be an LI you psychos, omigorsh," but "he's DLC" just isn't a valid point to make.

[mesmerizedish]

MorningBird wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Everyone knows who the real masters of this thread are, anyway.

Evil!Chris and his Mabari war-hound?

No, us! You think Evil!Chris has any hope of facing down the entire queer community? Pffft.

[lilliful]

Filament wrote...

Why would whether they're optional companions or not be related to whether they're bi or not? Just because that's how it worked in Origins? Is there some idea that they don't want to be controversial by forcing a bisexual character into your party? Couldn't that logic also apply to make one question why they've promoted Isabela as the leading lady as opposed to the traditional uncontroversial straight romance?

A good head on that one. I like the cut of your jib, son.

[mesmerizedish]

Filament wrote...

Why would whether they're optional companions or not be related to whether they're bi or not? Just because that's how it worked in Origins? Is there some idea that they don't want to be controversial by forcing a bisexual character into your party? Couldn't that logic also apply to make one question why they've promoted Isabela as the leading lady as opposed to the traditional uncontroversial straight romance?

Well, their argument (which apparently got an aggressive-toned response from Ms. Hepler ) was that Isabela is completely optional. Regardless of how she's been marketed, you can still do the game without ever meeting her. So, she must be the bi option! Because, they've already noticed a pattern. After one game.

[MorningBird]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I suspect they won't make Seb an LI simply because there will be a large percentage of players not getting him hence no point sinking resources into making him one. But *shrugs* I could be wrong.

Its alright, I was having fun swapping innuendoes with the lesbians in the F/F thread before I don't mind.

I know what you mean, he just seems so... suspect to me, and I can't quite put my finger on why.  There are of course, the shallow reasons (meaning that I think he looks and sounds the part) but I also can't get over the whole exiled prince thing.  It just SCREAMS of Alistair-like potential.

Then again, just because something has potential doesn't mean the DA team has the money or resources to act on it.

I'm probably making this all up in my head due to my crazed love of gingers (Leli. )

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Filament wrote...

Why would whether they're optional companions or not be related to whether they're bi or not? Just because that's how it worked in Origins? Is there some idea that they don't want to be controversial by forcing a bisexual character into your party? Couldn't that logic also apply to make one question why they've promoted Isabela as the leading lady as opposed to the traditional uncontroversial straight romance?

Well, their argument (which apparently got an aggressive-toned response from Ms. Hepler ) was that Isabela is completely optional. Regardless of how she's been marketed, you can still do the game without ever meeting her. So, she must be the bi option! Because, they've already noticed a pattern. After one game.

It was the fact that you met her second that was the pattern. 

And it was after four games. KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age Origins, Mass Effect (and an arguement could be made for ME2). Samara's a pseudo romance but she's met after nearly all straight only LIs and can be safely ignored with no impact whatsoever on the plot.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 février 2011 - 08:13 .

[lilliful]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Well, their argument (which apparently got an aggressive-toned response from Ms. Hepler ) was that Isabela is completely optional. Regardless of how she's been marketed, you can still do the game without ever meeting her. So, she must be the bi option! Because, they've already noticed a pattern. After one game.

Incoming! I know Ryzaki bait when I see it. She's gonna give us the pattern for the last 5 BioWare games. In fact, I'll even copypasta just to save her the trouble. Not that I agree, or anything.

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You never meet the bi LI first in BioWare games. Ever.
Sky?
Met after you meet Zu. He maybe an exception though because he's the
only male LI period in JE. However even he has less influence on the
plot than Zu. Though he is met after Silk Fox and Dawn Star. Has less importance than Silk Fox.
Silk Fox? Met after you meet Dawn Star. Has more influence over the plot than Dawn Star and Sky though. 
Leliana? Met after Morrigan and Alistair.  Has less infuence over the plot than both. 
Zevran? Met after Alistair, Morrigan and Leliana. Has less influence over the plot than Ali and Morri. 
Juhani? Met after Bastila and Carth. Practically insignigicant. 
Liara?
Met after Ashley and Kaidan. Has a huge impact on the plot though her
status as a gay option is debunked by her not actually being a
"female" despite being a member of an all female race. 

EDIT: -ed by the lady herself

Modifié par lilliful, 25 février 2011 - 08:05 .

[HolyAvenger]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Well, by that logic, why give him a unique costume? Why give him unique dialogues? Hell, why make him at all? There are lots of reasons not to make Sebastian a romance option, not lastly among them being "not everyone needs to be an LI you psychos, omigorsh," but "he's DLC" just isn't a valid point to make.

Logically at some point in development of DLC there's an optimum return where the players who do get it are satisfied but you haven't spent too many resources on something only 30% of players are experiencing. Making a character an LI is a hell of lot more dialogue, resources, animation, plot etc. Thus I suspect that's the line.

Plus I never said anything about him being bi or not, just an LI.

[Ryzaki]

lilliful wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Well, their argument (which apparently got an aggressive-toned response from Ms. Hepler ) was that Isabela is completely optional. Regardless of how she's been marketed, you can still do the game without ever meeting her. So, she must be the bi option! Because, they've already noticed a pattern. After one game.

Incoming! I know Ryzaki bait when I see it. She's gonna give us the pattern for the last 5 BioWare games. In fact, I'll even copypasta just to save her the trouble. Not that I agree, or anything.

---------

You never meet the bi LI first in BioWare games. Ever.
Sky?
Met after you meet Zu. He maybe an exception though because he's the
only male LI period in JE. However even he has less influence on the
plot than Zu. Though he is met after Silk Fox and Dawn Star. Has less importance than Silk Fox.
Silk Fox? Met after you meet Dawn Star. Has more influence over the plot than Dawn Star and Sky though. 
Leliana? Met after Morrigan and Alistair.  Has less infuence over the plot than both. 
Zevran? Met after Alistair, Morrigan and Leliana. Has less influence over the plot than Ali and Morri. 
Juhani? Met after Bastila and Carth. Practically insignigicant. 
Liara?
Met after Ashley and Kaidan. Has a huge impact on the plot though her
status as a gay option is debunked by her not actually being a
"female" despite being a member of an all female race. 

Exactly. The conclusion that Izzy is bi is based off her being optional and not being needed to force the plot along. Along wih the fact that she's apparently met after Merrill.  

While Silk Fox broke this mold (as did Liara) on average the bi LI is not necessary to the plot (you lose some content but it isn't gamebreaking) and is always met after the straight options (usually both male and female straight options). And Liara apparently isn't true a lesbian option. She has no gender. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 février 2011 - 08:11 .

[Trophonius]

MorningBird wrote...

I still hope Sebastian is going to be a romance.  It's the face and the accent.  And the whole 'exiled' prince thing.  He's like the Alistair of DA:2, but with THE BONUS OF A REVENGE STORYLINE! 

I don't know if he'll be as childish as Alistair, but ruling a kingdom with m!Hawke? Priceless. I would play m!Hawke every playthrough just to get that kind of ending with him. That Scottish accent is just an added bonus.

[mesmerizedish]

HolyAvenger wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Well, by that logic, why give him a unique costume? Why give him unique dialogues? Hell, why make him at all? There are lots of reasons not to make Sebastian a romance option, not lastly among them being "not everyone needs to be an LI you psychos, omigorsh," but "he's DLC" just isn't a valid point to make.

Logically at some point in development of DLC there's an optimum return where the players who do get it are satisfied but you haven't spent too many resources on something only 30% of players are experiencing. Making a character an LI is a hell of lot more dialogue, resources, animation, plot etc. Thus I suspect that's the line.

Plus I never said anything about him being bi or not, just an LI.

I wasn't talking about him being bi either. Why would you think I was?

@Ryzaki: Yeah, whatever It's irrelevant because they're all bi.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 25 février 2011 - 08:09 .

[lilliful]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Logically at some point in development of DLC there's an optimum return where the players who do get it are satisfied but you haven't spent too many resources on something only 30% of players are experiencing. Making a character an LI is a hell of lot more dialogue, resources, animation, plot etc. Thus I suspect that's the line.

Plus I never said anything about him being bi or not, just an LI.

I'll bite. Shale had tons of unique dialogue on many actions you took throughout the world of Thedas -- in times where it was totally unnecessary for the BW team to put in that amount of effort... from intimidating the templar to taking you across the river, to what I'd argue was plot-critical insight into Caridin's plight. I think the key here is that it's at-release DLC intended to reward all purchasers of new games. If you think about it, purchasers of used games mean absolutely nothing to BioWare -- that's no money in their pocket. So, basically, everyone who pays them money is getting that DLC... that's their entire marget segment as far as economics are concerned. Shale was entirely not a good fit for a love interest, so it's natural it didn't happen there. But, in this case, I could see it happening. They're definitely not afraid to pack in the quality content, unlike the ME2 team (Zaeed felt a little half-baked to me at times).

[HolyAvenger]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I wasn't talking about him being bi either. Why would you think I was?

I just confused by someone raging about optional bisexuals, then I realised they were talking about main game characters.