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[Ryzaki]

elirian_19 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Isabela - Rivalary
Fenris - Friendship
Anders - Rivalary with my Templar, Friendship with my mage (hopefully neither path will require him giving into Vengence)
Merrill - Either.

This is not going to end well!

 

Damn you! 

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

Assuming you plan to romance each character, what path will you take for each (Friendship vs Rival) and why?

As we don't know their friendship or rivalry path...

This. I was going to use more words, but *teehee* less is more *snigger*

Hey, I said it was assumption based.

[moilami]

MorningBird wrote...

Alright guys, I'm curious.  Even though this question has likely been asked before (and likely will be asked again):

Assuming you plan to romance each character, what path will you take for each (Friendship vs Rival) and why?  Feel free to assume Sebastian is a LI, btw... BECAUSE I'M GOING TO. )<  I'll say it again, that man is too Scottish not to be a LI.

Isabela - Friendship
Merrill - Grudging friendship?
Fenris - Rivalry
Anders - Rivalry
Sebastian - I wish snark/friendship/rival was an option for this one.

Ideally, I'd love it if Izzy's carefree nature rubbed off on my Mage!Hawke.

For Merrill, I'm planning on romancing her with a grumpy Warrior!Hawke who's mean to everything that moves... but Merrill.

Fenris - I'm saying rivalry mostly because I still don't know what quite to make of the character.  But my Rogue!Hawke is probably going to be a jerk, so rival-mance is likely. >>

Anders - I think rivalmance again.  I'll probably role another Rogue!Hawke who doesn't hate the Chantry.  Let's see how that goes. xD

Sebastian - Mage!Hawke is going to be a lazy ass who doesn't want to help Sebastian out, but probably will anyway for the chance of gaining political ties.

My Hawke will probably romance only a desire goddess. I wish it is possible in the game.

Or maybe Merrill. After that he would say BB I am only Merrill's champion and now me and Merrill go do some travelling and camping around the world.

[mesmerizedish]

MorningBird wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

Assuming you plan to romance each character, what path will you take for each (Friendship vs Rival) and why?

As we don't know their friendship or rivalry path...

This. I was going to use more words, but *teehee* less is more *snigger*

Hey, I said it was assumption based.

Okay, well, then, I'll try. Just for you <3

Isabela: I don't know. I couldn't begin to specualte what either path would be.

Merrill: Friendship, because if she's badass, that's just hawt; and if she's sweet and wonderful, that's just cute. I could never harden Leliana.

Anders: Friendship, I think, because he seems to be fighting the good fight, as it were. I specualte that his rivalry path will involve giving in to the Dark Side of the Force.

Fenris: As Isabela

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 26 février 2011 - 09:37 .

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Okay, well, then, I'll try. Just for you <3

Isabela: I don't know. I couldn't begin to specualte what either path would be.

Merrill: Friendship, because if she's badass, that's just hawt; and if she's sweet and wonderful, that's just cute. I could never harden Leliana.

Anders: Friendship, I think, because he seems to be fighting the good fight, as it were. I specualte that his rivalry path will involve giving in to the Dark Side of the Force.

Fenris: As Isabela

Yeah, I'm really wondering about the Anders path myself.  Apparently he joined with Justice to fight against the Chantry, but who knows if that's still his goal?

For all we know, when Hawke meets him for the first time, he's had a complete 180 and feels ashamed, having corrupted Justice into Vengeance and becoming the very thing that the Chantry warns against: an abomination.

... this is making me ponder the order in which I was going to woo characters. xD

Originally it was going to be Izzy and Fenris during my first two runs.  Hmmm....  Why so many awesome characters, BioWare?  I mean, god, lower your standards a little!  You're making the decision process too hard!



justkiddingplzdon't.

[demonic_cookie]

By the way, did anyone pick the "Forget Castillon" option in the end of the demo? I did, and it turned out that it's sort of "Don't give him the relic, if he sends someone we'll just kill them too" option. That made me think about Isabela's rivalry... My current theory is that she is "let life take its course" kind of girl, she says "I'll just have to give him the relic; it's as simple as that." Easy come, easy go and all that. So the rivalry path might be the "fight for what you believe in" thing. On the other hand, she did free those slaves, so it's not a foolproof theory.

[MorningBird]

demonic_cookie wrote...

By the way, did anyone pick the "Forget Castillon" option in the end of the demo? I did, and it turned out that it's sort of "Don't give him the relic, if he sends someone we'll just kill them too" option. That made me think about Isabela's rivalry... My current theory is that she is "let life take its course" kind of girl, she says "I'll just have to give him the relic; it's as simple as that." Easy come, easy go and all that. So the rivalry path might be the "fight for what you believe in" thing. On the other hand, she did free those slaves, so it's not a foolproof theory.

I did!  I actually like a lot of the 'red' decisions.  They're not 'evil' in intent so much as... aggressive?  Assertive?  Defensive?  A mixture of the three?

But I agree, I think what Hawke said pretty much amounted to, "Don't give Castillon what he wants.  You fought him once, you can do it again."

And Isabela returns with something like, "I opposed him once, and look where that got me.  You know what they say about good intentions?  Don't have them."

I've actually been wondering at whom that last bit is aimed at, Hawke (as in: don't butt in to my business) or herself (as in: I tried to do right by freeing the slaves, now I'm in deeper than I was before.)

Confusing dialogue is confusing.

[mesmerizedish]

demonic_cookie wrote...

By the way, did anyone pick the "Forget Castillon" option in the end of the demo? I did, and it turned out that it's sort of "Don't give him the relic, if he sends someone we'll just kill them too" option. That made me think about Isabela's rivalry... My current theory is that she is "let life take its course" kind of girl, she says "I'll just have to give him the relic; it's as simple as that." Easy come, easy go and all that. So the rivalry path might be the "fight for what you believe in" thing. On the other hand, she did free those slaves, so it's not a foolproof theory.

Yeah, maybe? I did pick that option, and I did notice that. I'm not sure if I can really shake the idea of rivalry being negative and antagonistic, so I might end up going friendship with Isabela even if my actual views would lead me down a rivalry path. Even in video games, I can't stand people not liking me

[EDIT] @MorningBird: It totally is aggressive and assertive. That's how it's described to us by the devs, too. Get that "redegade" mentality out And my interpretation is that she's saying that good intentions end up screwing you even worse.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 26 février 2011 - 09:58 .

[Count Viceroy]

MorningBird wrote...

I did!  I actually like a lot of the 'red' decisions.  They're not 'evil' in intent so much as... aggressive?  Assertive?  Defensive?  A mixture of the three?

But I agree, I think what Hawke said pretty much amounted to, "Don't give Castillon what he wants.  You fought him once, you can do it again."

And Isabela returns with something like, "I opposed him once, and look where that got me.  You know what they say about good intentions?  Don't have them."

I've actually been wondering at whom that last bit is aimed at, Hawke (as in: don't butt in to my business) or herself (as in: I tried to do right by freeing the slaves, now I'm in deeper than I was before.)

Confusing dialogue is confusing.

I thought about it as well, though I suspect it will be clear the instant we get the real game and can continue past that point, as it should award points one way or the other.

And from what I recall, that was one of the conversations where both icons are identical?

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 février 2011 - 09:59 .

[elirian_19]

Ryzaki wrote...

elirian_19 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Isabela - Rivalary
Fenris - Friendship
Anders - Rivalary with my Templar, Friendship with my mage (hopefully neither path will require him giving into Vengence)
Merrill - Either.

This is not going to end well!

 

Damn you! 

I'm sorry.

I need someone else to wallow in my misery with me.

It will end well. It will end extremely and incredibly well.

For Vengeance, at least.

*goes off to buy comfort food*

Modifié par elirian_19, 26 février 2011 - 10:07 .

[Maria Caliban]

MorningBird wrote...

Hey, I said it was assumption based.

While I tend to make assumptions when it comes to BioWare games, I honestly have no idea how I could answer this question. It's like you coming up to me and asking, "Do you agree or disagree with ishmealtheforsaken's views on gun control?"

I mean, I like Isabela. My character will probably be smitten with her want to make her happy, but for all I know, her axis is "There are qunari in Kirkwall and we ought to murder every last one of them."

She is Riviani. They were invaded and forced to live under the Qun for some time and the Qunari are not a *nice* group.

If that's the case, I'll probably go rivalry.

[demonic_cookie]

Confusing dialogue is confusing.

I think in this instance it's actually a good thing. Isabela is a complicated woman, I'm sure, so some confusion when dealing with her is inevitable.



BTW, did anyone notice if she invites you to her room even if you choose the lower option? I didn't pay attention that one time >_>

Even in video games, I can't stand people not liking me

I can't stand doing evil things in video games >_> I can do it in pen-and-paper when playing with people, because they _know_ it's a game... But with computer games the little character programs don't know they're programs and I don't want to hurt them >____< It doesn't make any sense but here you go.



I think I'll try to roleplay and see where it gets me, since rivalry doesn't mean the follower will leave... With Anders, for example, they almost stated it outright that his 'better' path is the rivalry.

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

Hey, I said it was assumption based.

It's like you coming up to me and asking, "Do you agree or disagree with ishmealtheforsaken's views on gun control?"

 

Hmmm... do you?

[Count Viceroy]

demonic_cookie wrote...


BTW, did anyone notice if she invites you to her room even if you choose the lower option? I didn't pay attention that one time >_>

She does.

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

Hey, I said it was assumption based.

It's like you coming up to me and asking, "Do you agree or disagree with ishmealtheforsaken's views on gun control?"

 

Hmmm... do you?

I was going to ask....

@Cookie: Regardless as to which dialogue you pick, she invites you back. :3

EDIT:

@CV: You know, I think you're right about them having the decision icons as opposed to the 'positive' 'aggressive' icons.  My bad!

Modifié par MorningBird, 26 février 2011 - 10:11 .

[HolyAvenger]

Actually as I said about 10-15 pages ago, we got a little hint in the demo that Isabela's friendship path was to keep helping her in illegal work for the likes of Castillon while the rivalry path was to convince her to break away from that.



So my nice-guy-Hawke for my first playthrough will probably go down the rivalry path.



Speculation on the others: Anders- getting rid of Vengeance or keep and his demonic powers. Might end in mercy-killing Anders. Fenris- confrontation with his slaver and the effect on his personality (ala Leliana and Marjolaine), Merrill- something to with blood magic and her exile from her clan...

[SirGladiator]

I guess the key is to know what the Friendship and Rivalry actually means. I got a lot of friendship points with Aveline simply by being nice, and lost points when I wasnt (I tried pretty much all the dialogue options just to see the differences), but perhaps its true that with Isabella the Friendship is to talk her into working for this bad guy and giving him the relic? I certainly wouldnt want to be that kind of 'friend'. Same with Merrill, will being Friendly mean helping her overcome any inherent anti-human biases or something like that? Or will it mean encouraging her in blood magic, and possibly taking revenge on her enemies? I think we really need to find out what Friendship and Rivalry means before we can know which way we're going with them. It does seem that I'll be going Friendship with Bethany and Aveline however, based on how the Demo went. But that too could be misleading I suppose, I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

[mesmerizedish]

I don't think we can know what friendship/rivalry means without knowing our companions' personalities. Then well know to take actions that either affirm or confront their worldviews.

[Count Viceroy]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I don't think we can know what friendship/rivalry means without knowing our companions' personalities. Then well know to take actions that either affirm or confront their worldviews.

Indeed, but the first interaction with them after you meet them and see what actions give what points. You can pretty much figure it out straight away from there.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 26 février 2011 - 12:40 .

[Maria Caliban]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's like you coming up to me and asking, "Do you agree or disagree with ishmealtheforsaken's views on gun control?"

 

Hmmm... do you?

On a scale from one to ten, ten being the highest, how much do you identify with the woman in this picture?

[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

It's like you coming up to me and asking, "Do you agree or disagree with ishmealtheforsaken's views on gun control?"

 

Hmmm... do you?

On a scale from one to ten, ten being the highest, how much do you identify with the woman in this picture?

*snip*

As amazing as that image is, I don't have enough information to say. I've never fired a gun. But, licking a firearm seems like something I would do XD

[Lord Gremlin]

Anders seems to be a perfect choice for my female mage Hawke.

[Dirgegun]

-pops in-



I believe the devs have said that the difference between rivalry and friendship is whether or not you agree with a character's point of view on important points or not, and that sometimes taking the rivalry path means being a better friend. :3



This could mean, for example, that perhaps the rivalry path is the better option with Izzy, because you're not encouraging her to give in and just do what dude-that-wants-relic wants. It could work that way with Anders too; maybe the rivalry path encourages him to set aside VENGENCE and not give into the demon within. -takes off speculation hat-



I think how the two paths are named 'friendship/ rivalry' is what is throwing people off.

[Naemi79]

Regarding the friendship / rivalry paths...

I´ve noticed that options giving rivalry points is marked as a red fist. While the friendship points comes from the head icon.

But in the beginning when you meet the templar, you do get friendship points from both sibling when you take the "aggressive" lower answer, so I´m not sure really... Don´t think this thing is all black and white.

[atheelogos]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

Anders seems to be a perfect choice for my female mage Hawke.

My thoughts exactly