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[MorningBird]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

yukidama wrote...

The thing with romances though, is that aside from those screencaps that weren't even officially posted on any English speaking EA site, the only romance info has been posted here on the forums. The short stories, the confirmations? Only here. It's not even a huge marketing thing across their websites and ad campaigns, and they only show Isabela with male Hawke in some promotional stuff. Since romance stuff is basically kept 100% on the forums (aside from those screencaps), it's just that much more nonsensical. Pretty much everyone here knows that in DAO there were bisexual options. It didn't stop them from buying and playing the game and it most likely won't this time around either. Keeping it closeted, so to speak, is just irritating.

Agreed. But keep in mind a lot more eyes are watching Bioware now after ME2's release. DA:O was awesome, but ME2 has put them in the limelight. They may feel the need to tread more carefully on threads, since information like "Its official. All the characters are LI and Bisexual" could be spun the wrong way on Kotaku. Which would be stupid, IMO. I say, the quicker the word spreads, the better.

I'm really hoping that the reason BioWare is being so secretive about the s/s romances is because they've made them equally accessible to gay, bi and straight PC's.  I'd find it a trifle confusing for them to build up all of this suspense by not telling us anything, only to discover that DA2 has two s/s LI's (one male and one female) JUST like DAO.

As I've said, I wouldn't be mad if we only had 2.  I just wouldn't understand why there was so much secrecy regarding something... so unsurprising.

Modifié par MorningBird, 02 mars 2011 - 09:37 .

[mesmerizedish]

I don't know how much the silence really bothers me. BioWare's behavior doesn't much affect me at all. A lot of developers don't talk to their fans at all. It's the exposure to other people... people just get me down. People's rights to have and express their opinions only extend so far.

[Perles75]

The reason why Bioware does not confirm anything is pretty obvious (and I agree with them): to make the players discover it directly in the game. Let's keep some suspense!
Besides, what's the sense of telling something we'll see ourselves in a week?

[MorningBird]

Perles75 wrote...

The reason why Bioware does not confirm anything is pretty obvious (and I agree with them): to make the players discover it directly in the game. Let's keep some suspense!
Besides, what's the sense of telling something we'll see ourselves in a week?

So then why did they tell the straight players who their straight PC's could romance?   Why haven't they been left completely in the dark like the gay and lesbian players who want to play gay and lesbian PC's?

[mellifera]

Then why not keep all romance interests hidden? Mind you, they revealed LI over 2 weeks ago, so it wasn't "something we'll see ourselves in a week" at the time.

EDIT: 'd, dammit MorningBird xDD

Modifié par yukidama, 02 mars 2011 - 09:59 .

[MorningBird]

yukidama wrote...

Then why not keep all romance interests hidden? Mind you, they revealed LI over 2 weeks ago, so it wasn't "something we'll see ourselves in a week" at the time.

EDIT: 'd, dammit MorningBird xDD

:innocent: Sorry, sorry!

[mesmerizedish]

I think the reason that they're not talking is because 1: they're all bi (I'm not being glib here), and 2: they don't want to tell us that. That's the only explanation that makes any kind of sense to me. As for why they don't want to tell us that, I have no clue. I don't know if it's PR related, or if they think it would spoil Christmas, or anything else, but it's clear that they have some reason of their own for keeping a veil over this.

As I said above, though, that doesn't really bother me too much. It just gets depressing to come into these threads and hear about how people don't want them to be all bi because it isn't "realistic." Every single one of those people knows who their options are (of course, so do I, and I AM being glib here =P), so there's no downside for them. It's selfish thinking, and I don't like reading posts from people who think it's cool that they get more ways to play the game than I do. I can't wait for March 8th to come, as it will be an affirmation of my worth as a consumer of BioWare's product.

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I think the reason that they're not talking is because 1: they're all bi (I'm not being glib here), and 2: they don't want to tell us that. That's the only explanation that makes any kind of sense to me. As for why they don't want to tell us that, I have no clue. I don't know if it's PR related, or if they think it would spoil Christmas, or anything else, but it's clear that they have some reason of their own for keeping a veil over this.

As I said above, though, that doesn't really bother me too much. It just gets depressing to come into these threads and hear about how people don't want them to be all bi because it isn't "realistic." Every single one of those people knows who their options are (of course, so do I, and I AM being glib here =P), so there's no downside for them. It's selfish thinking, and I don't like reading posts from people who think it's cool that they get more ways to play the game than I do. I can't wait for March 8th to come, as it will be an affirmation of my worth as a consumer of BioWare's product.

Ditto that.  And I refuse to believe otherwise until proven wrong!

[Perles75]

MorningBird wrote...

Perles75 wrote...

The reason why Bioware does not confirm anything is pretty obvious (and I agree with them): to make the players discover it directly in the game. Let's keep some suspense!
Besides, what's the sense of telling something we'll see ourselves in a week?

So then why did they tell the straight players who their straight PC's could romance?   Why haven't they been left completely in the dark like the gay and lesbian players who want to play gay and lesbian PC's?

because the straight part was obvious and expected, so they didn't reveal much by saying that

(P.S.: by the way, did they actually tell explicitly that all the four LIs can be "straightly romanced"? just a question, my memory is faulty)

Modifié par Perles75, 02 mars 2011 - 10:40 .

[mesmerizedish]

Perles75 wrote...

MorningBird wrote...

Perles75 wrote...

The reason why Bioware does not confirm anything is pretty obvious (and I agree with them): to make the players discover it directly in the game. Let's keep some suspense!
Besides, what's the sense of telling something we'll see ourselves in a week?

So then why did they tell the straight players who their straight PC's could romance?   Why haven't they been left completely in the dark like the gay and lesbian players who want to play gay and lesbian PC's?

because the straight part was obvious and expected, so they didn't reveal much by saying that

(P.S.: by the way, did they actually tell explicitly that all the four LIs can be "straightly romanced"? just a question, my memory is faulty)

No, they haven't. But what MorningBird is saying is that BECAUSE the straight bit would be assumed, why reveal the LIs altogether? They knew that they would be creating an information imbalance by announcing them without announcing which genders they're associated with, so why not just leave the issue alone?

[Maelora]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
as it will be an affirmation of my worth as a consumer of BioWare's product.

To be honest, Ish, I'm feeling that my value to them is pretty much zero, for reasons you and MorningBird already said. Why tell one section of your audience and not the other?  Why the secrecy, why the shutting down of the bi threads?

I can see there being two outcomes really - either all are bi, or none of them are.

I'm hoping you are right, but I'm also realistic.  In the context of ME2, it wouldn't surprise me if DA2 turns out to be another attempt to shed their now-unwanted 'gay friendly' label.

Pessimistic, perhaps, but I hope it's understandable in the wider context of what's being going on.  They're targeting CoD's audience, and I'm pretty sure that doesn't include gay romance.  

Modifié par Maelora, 02 mars 2011 - 11:00 .

[brain_damage]

Maelora wrote...

I can see there being two outcomes really - either all are bi, or none of them are. 

Isabela's f/f romance has been confirmed by a game reviewer, so option two is out of the way.

[silver-crescent]

Maelora wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
as it will be an affirmation of my worth as a consumer of BioWare's product.

To be honest, Ish, I'm feeling that my value to them is pretty much zero, for reasons you and MorningBird already said. Why tell one section of your audience and not the other?  Why the secrecy, why the shutting down of the bi threads?

I can see there being two outcomes really - either all are bi, or none of them are.

I'm hoping you are right, but I'm also realistic.  In the context of ME2, it wouldn't surprise me if DA2 turns out to be another attempt to shed their now-unwanted 'gay friendly' label.

Pessimistic, perhaps, but I hope it's understandable in the wider context of what's being going on.  They're targeting CoD's audience, and I'm pretty sure that doesn't include gay romance.  

I think you're looking too much into it. When they said they wanted the CoD audience I don't think they meant they were aiming the game at 13 yo male teens, just that they want DA to be as popular as CoD.

And I don't see how ME2 was made to be less gay-friendly when it was just like ME1, lesbians and all.

Modifié par silver-crescent, 02 mars 2011 - 11:11 .

[Selidor]

To me it doesn't make sense that they would keep quiet about bi LIs unless they're all bi. If they had let the Varric and Aveline fans wildly speculate and hope that they would be romance options right up until the game release, the fans would probably have been really disappointed when they actually played it. By getting the disappointment out of the way early, there's lot of time for people to work up enthusiasm again and focus on actually enjoying the game.

There's a difference between the devs teasing fans about things in a way that's a bit mean but also funny, and letting people get carried away only to have them really disappointed when they get the actual game. Speculation about stuff like whether you could have kids was shot down by the BW staff pretty quickly, but here we have people posting screenshots of questionable authenticity and nothing from BW.

I know there's more to the game than the romance options, but for a lot of people it's pretty important and it's also one of the most uncertain parts of the game (compared to combat mechanics etc) so it invites a lot of speculation.

[.shea.]

They did the exact same thing prior to DA:O release, the straight romances were revealed through the character trailers and the s/s ones were leaked just before the launch (just like they have been now, as the editor of the german magazine confirmed a full f/f romance with Isabela and that Anders flirts back to mHawke). Why they do this is a mystery to me...but it isn't anything new.

[Perles75]

brain_damage wrote...

Maelora wrote...

I can see there being two outcomes really - either all are bi, or none of them are. 

Isabela's f/f romance has been confirmed by a game reviewer, so option two is out of the way.

Moreover, it was told explicitly by the devs that same sex possibilities are included.

[moilami]

Maelora wrote...

I'm hoping you are right, but I'm also realistic.  In the context of ME2, it wouldn't surprise me if DA2 turns out to be another attempt to shed their now-unwanted 'gay friendly' label.

  

Lol one my friend said I should stop buying BW games.

[Kilshrek]

Are we still getting those banners, ishmael/MorningBird person?

[mesmerizedish]

Kilshrek wrote...

Are we still getting those banners, ishmael/MorningBird person?

Well, I'm trying to talk to Mr. Priestly about my thread. I still don't know why it was locked. His post makes no sense. That would be a better place to talk about it. It'd be more organized. I'm sure MorningBird is still up to making them (she may have already). We won't reveal them until the outcome is secure, though, with the game in our hands and Merrill in my bed

[Kilshrek]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Well, I'm trying to talk to Mr. Priestly about my thread. I still don't know why it was locked. His post makes no sense. That would be a better place to talk about it. It'd be more organized. I'm sure MorningBird is still up to making them (she may have already). We won't reveal them until the outcome is secure, though, with the game in our hands and Merrill in my bed

Yes, it did seem a little harsh, the way he closed the thread.. But it's not really my place to comment on what the custodians do.. Although I will be guilty of absence between the 8th and whenever it is I surface to post in the forums after getting the game on the 10th.

Also Merrill is mine, keep your thieving paws off her! <3

[FrozenDreamfall]

They leaked some pictures,saw a vid on youtube about a love scene,so more than sure Isabela as expected from the 1st game is bi and Fenris appears to be bi too,Anders and Merril are straight,I'm really glad about Isabela though,I always liked her,she taught me my favorite profession,dueling.

[Maelora]

brain_damage wrote...

Maelora wrote...
I can see there being two outcomes really - either all are bi, or none of them are. 

Isabela's f/f romance has been confirmed by a game reviewer, so option two is out of the way.

Where? Sorry, but you're simply speculating.  Link to proof or it didn't happen.

This lazy thinking is what is going to get a lot of people annoyed in a weeks' time.