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[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

catabuca wrote...

halokitty wrote...

Agreed.  A character doesn't need to be written any different if they are bisexual.  Whatever their sexuality, it doesn't really have a bearing on their personality, their morality, etc.  In some ways, the "tacked on" approach works better in that it means the character is defined first, before any notion of sexual politics come into play.  They are who they are, and the politics of sexuality are secondary.  It's a nice way to avoid stereotypes and cliches. 

Ah yes, but our understanding of privilege makes us realise that no character is just developed as a character without sexuality ... a character without a defined sexuality is straight until proven otherwise. That's where all this 'tacked on' crap comes from. The misguided notion that everyone is straight unless they have a reason to be gay. <_<

Yes.

Plus, straight romances never feel tacked on for fanservice, oh no!

 

Nice. 

Anyways yeah I don't see the whole needing to "justify" bisexuality thing either. 

I just wish Anders had hit on my Male Wardens to be honest. They were all lonely. 

[Vitani]

catabuca wrote...

You could trigger at different points in Origins, I believe. I'm sure there must be several places to trigger it, even if they are all early on (say, in the first act or whatever).

I haven't seen any confirmation either way though.

I guess we will cross that bridge when we get there. Thanks for the response

[Selidor]

Well as long as there are more ways to trigger the Anders romance than the awful line from that video.

[Maugrim]

 None of them are gonna be bi, just you wait and see! *hic* Isabela is just a mass hallucination Those Ander's files are just planted troll lulz from Priestly   The gods have a serious hate on for me at the moment, they even made me get sick throwing up   and miss Disneyland and thus I know it tis true.They hate us all and are just torturing us


*sits in a corner eating her chocolate parfait and sobbing*

[catabuca]

makenzieshepard wrote...

 None of them are gonna be bi, just you wait and see! *hic* Isabela is just a mass hallucination Those Ander's files are just planted troll lulz from Priestly   The gods have a serious hate on for me at the moment, they even made me get sick throwing up   and miss Disneyland and thus I know it tis true.They hate us all and are just torturing us


*sits in a corner eating her chocolate parfait and sobbing*

There, there *consoles makenzie*

It's going to be okay. We'll all make it through this together, and when we come out on the other side, ALL THE LIs WILL BE COMING OUT WITH US. 

Modifié par catabuca, 02 mars 2011 - 07:15 .

[Vitani]

Selidor wrote...

Well as long as there are more ways to trigger the Anders romance than the awful line from that video.

One of the things that prompted me to post my question

[KirstyLionheart]

I'm quite happy with Anders being romanceable... but damn, I want Sebastian.
He looks a little bit like Ed Baines -- one of my strange crushes...
www.lbc.co.uk/mm/image/12248.jpg

[Maferath]

Every LI being bi simply allows more game options.... Nothing to do with not liking straight people. 

I suspect you may be trolling.

Modifié par Maferath, 02 mars 2011 - 10:18 .

[lilliful]

MasterScribe wrote...

To the "they are all bi" followers and related movments: Are you saying that you'd rather have 4 bisexual romanceables than three romanceables (Straight Female, Bisexual Female, Bisexual Male for male Hawke & Straight Male, Bisexual Male, Bisexual Female for female Hawke) and one unromanceable (Straight Male for male Hawke and Straight Female for female Hawke) that you can still befriend? That seems really heterophobic to me. Also, do you think that flirting with anybody (regardless of gender) enough times in real life will get them in bed with you? That's preposterous. In general, humans are not as fickle as that. It's an insult to straights, gays, and bis to think such a thing. That's why I do not support the "they are all bi" movement.

Yes, I would rather have 4, or all, bisexual romances. I don't play dragon age for realism -- if somebody is asking me what I want in a game, it's all bisexual love interests. That way I can enjoy the romance for any character I play (I tend to beat the game multiple times with half my playthroughs as one gender and half as the other). I don't think it's heterophobic. What I find most awesome for my arguably escapist piece of media isn't that I want to reflect the real world or people from all walks of life... I mean, it really does feel like in DA:O that everyone wants in your pants, and I'm okay with that :3 I don't actually believe that flirting works with everyone, or that someone will love you no matter what gender you are. But, if you were to ask me if I wished everyone in the world was bisexual -- well, it's true, I do wish that. Ah well, you can't have everything you wish for, though! Except, hopefully, in DA2

[Selidor]

MasterScribe wrote...

To the "they are all bi" followers and related movments: Are you saying that you'd rather have 4 bisexual romanceables than three romanceables (Straight Female, Bisexual Female, Bisexual Male for male Hawke & Straight Male, Bisexual Male, Bisexual Female for female Hawke) and one unromanceable (Straight Male for male Hawke and Straight Female for female Hawke) that you can still befriend?

I'm going to regret getting into this, but...

Yes, that is exactly what we want.

You know what's also unrealistic? For somebody who is gay to have to settle for the one other gay person around, regardless of whether they're attractive, or just go with celibacy. In real life there are plenty of 'options' regardless of your sexuality. I don't expect Bioware to be able to replicate that degree of choice in game, but providing more than one option is actually more realistic for me.

In real life flirting with someone enough won't guarantee they go to bed with you, but people in real life aren't designated as your love interests, and in any case the same is true of straight relationships. Isabela isn't going to turn down a male Hawke because she's not physically attracted to him - she's a romance-able character and if you pick the right options in the game she will go to bed with you. This has no relation to sexuality, it's how game romances work for everyone.

Also, being queer myself I tend to find that I also have a lot of queer people in my social circles, even a majority. So if I'm playing Hawke as gay or bi, it's also realistic to me to have multiple friends who are gay or bi.

If they are all bi, there's no way that Bioware have written it so that you're constantly going to be reminded of their sexualities - you probably won't even notice unless you're paying attention to it.

It's not about wanting to erase the existence of straight people or something, it's about wanting to have optimum fun when playing the game. You get your heterosexual fun in every game featuring romance, this is one of the few games where gay and bi players get to have our fun as well, and it's exciting especially with the game release so close now. The 'all bi' movement is an expression of fans' enthusiasm and silliness.

[mesmerizedish]

MasterScribe wrote...

To the "they are all bi" followers and related movments: Are you saying that you'd rather have 4 bisexual romanceables than three romanceables (Straight Female, Bisexual Female, Bisexual Male for male Hawke & Straight Male, Bisexual Male, Bisexual Female for female Hawke) and one unromanceable (Straight Male for male Hawke and Straight Female for female Hawke) that you can still befriend? That seems really heterophobic to me. Also, do you think that flirting with anybody (regardless of gender) enough times in real life will get them in bed with you? That's preposterous. In general, humans are not as fickle as that. It's an insult to straights, gays, and bis to think such a thing. That's why I do not support the "they are all bi" movement.

Yes, I would rather have four bisexual LIs than the three romanceable companions as you suggest it. They're NOT people. They're characters in a video game, and what's insulting to me is that I might not have a choice in whom I romance if I want to play my orientation.

[mesmerizedish]

makenzieshepard wrote...

 None of them are gonna be bi, just you wait and see! *hic* Isabela is just a mass hallucination Those Ander's files are just planted troll lulz from Priestly   The gods have a serious hate on for me at the moment, they even made me get sick throwing up   and miss Disneyland and thus I know it tis true.They hate us all and are just torturing us


*sits in a corner eating her chocolate parfait and sobbing*

Nuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu! Don't sob, it'll attract the devs, and then they'll steal your parfait! They're ALL bi, just you wait and see!

[CheeseEnchilada]

Trolling? No, I think he/she has a decent point. Personally I love the idea of having more s/s romantic options, and it's simply that everyone being bi is the easiest way to do that. The other option would be having multiple characters who are only gay/lesbian/straight/bisexual, which would take far more time and resources to cater to a minority.

All bi is just the easiest way to cater to everyone. There's cons to it, and I'm worried about how it would be done, but we'll just see what happens.

{And I can see how sometimes the "all bi!" call can feel overwhelming--fans are just enthusiastic and ready for this game to come out}

[zrisso]

MasterScribe wrote...

Maferath wrote...

Every LI being bi simply allows more game options.... Nothing to do with not liking straight people. 

I suspect you may be trolling.

I'm on topic and am neither expressing hate nor am i insulting anyone. I'm about as far from troll as one can get. By the way, there are plenty of game options outside whatever the devs do with (optional) romances (quest order, character customization, and talent/specialization allotment to name a few).

Disagreeing with a theory is one thing, but dismissing people's arguments by stating they are just being heterophobic is bordering on trolling. Grow up.

[Taleroth]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

MasterScribe wrote...

To the "they are all bi" followers and related movments: Are you saying that you'd rather have 4 bisexual romanceables than three romanceables (Straight Female, Bisexual Female, Bisexual Male for male Hawke & Straight Male, Bisexual Male, Bisexual Female for female Hawke) and one unromanceable (Straight Male for male Hawke and Straight Female for female Hawke) that you can still befriend? That seems really heterophobic to me. Also, do you think that flirting with anybody (regardless of gender) enough times in real life will get them in bed with you? That's preposterous. In general, humans are not as fickle as that. It's an insult to straights, gays, and bis to think such a thing. That's why I do not support the "they are all bi" movement.

Yes, I would rather have four bisexual LIs than the three romanceable companions as you suggest it. They're NOT people. They're characters in a video game, and what's insulting to me is that I might not have a choice in whom I romance if I want to play my orientation.

Indeed.  The cast calculus works out that the easiest way to have a choice (minimum 2) for each of three sexual orientations is by having 4 bisexual choices.  That way you can have 2 straight choices for both genders and 2 gay choices for both genders.

There are other ways to do it, but they require expanding group roster.

[Ailith Tycane]

Am I the only one excited about this because they included a scene with pillow talk? lol

[Osena109]

 Wait so let me get this straight  they all swing both ways now?

[mesmerizedish]

Osena109 wrote...

 Wait so let me get this straight  they all swing both ways now?

Yeppers.

[Selidor]

Pillow talk is definitely preferable to standing outside a tent and discussing relationship issues in the middle of the camp!

[lilliful]

Ailith430 wrote...

*SNIP*
Am I the only one excited about this because they included a scene with pillow talk? lol

No. Am I the only one horrified to think that every single frigging love interest start the infamous "So what now?" dialogue after sex?

[Taleroth]

lilliful wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

*SNIP*
Am I the only one excited about this because they included a scene with pillow talk? lol

No. Am I the only one horrified to think that every single frigging love interest start the infamous "So what now?" dialogue after sex?

Depends.  Is one of the response options
*gavel* Why are you still here?

If so, I can dig it.

[mesmerizedish]

lilliful wrote...

Ailith430 wrote...

*SNIP*
Am I the only one excited about this because they included a scene with pillow talk? lol

No. Am I the only one horrified to think that every single frigging love interest start the infamous "So what now?" dialogue after sex?

Yes. I want to be able to marry Merrill. That's what now. Is that too much to ask?

[KawaiiKatie]

Personally, I'm just excited to see some freaking equality! It'll be so awesome if homosexual!Hawke gets just as many romance-options as heterosexual!Hawke.

I mean, remember when the party members were still being announced? And we were all saying "well, we already know who the bisexual female is, but which one of the men will be bisexual?!" We just assumed that we'd only get one same-sex partner to romance! We just accepted that as the norm!

Actually, we didn't even accept it as a norm. We accepted it as charity. Because just one same-sex romance (particularly male same-sex romance) in a video game is way more than you'll see anywhere else. Was that fair to assume? Maybe. Maybe not. But given the precedent of Bioware games, we pretty much took it for granted that the heterosexual options in DA2 would outnumber the homosexual options.

But wait! What if.... what if all the love-interests were bisexual? What if a man who likes other men had the same amount of choices as a man who likes women?

Entirely realistic? No.

Fair? Forward-thinking? Equal?! ABSO-FREAKING-LUTELY.

And that's what excites me about the possibility of an all-bisexual cast of love-interests: the chance to feel like an equal part of society, not a minority.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 02 mars 2011 - 10:49 .