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[_Somebody]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Somebody wrote...

I dont think the Chantry has anything against it. Nothing is ever mentioned, and Leliana is super religious, and she will go with a female Warden.

I'm of the mind that Leliana is a lesbian. She never seems to have had a real relationship with men, she just seduces and uses them. Her love for Marjolaine was real. (And so was her love for your male Warden, I guess, but I'd say that's because she happened to love your Warden, not because she's used to falling in love with men) Plus, it makes MY Warden feel better knowing that Leliana's never really been into men. I dunno why, she can be funny like that. Sometimes we argue for hours about things like this

I admit, I was a bit skeptical of her at first with my male Warden. She seemed to be all happy though in the end.

[mesmerizedish]

MorningBird wrote...

JrayM16 wrote...

But, maybe an example would be a sort of Sten-like character, one who lived in a society where strict roles were enforced, and any bisexuality was repressed at best.  Or maybe a super-religious character with a holier-than-thou attitude.

I would argue that there was a reason Sten wasn't a LI.

It seems to me that what people don't want (and feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong) is a party that consists entirely of 7-8 party members who are all bi.  I agree that this is unrealistic, and probably shouldn't be done.

However, the party viaing for all-bi LI don't want the entire party to be bi.  Just the LI, whom we only get 4 of.  To me, this would cut down on a lot of the moaning and groaning we see post release.

"I don't like Zevran!"  "Why couldn't I romance Alistair?" "What you talking about, Wilis?  Zevran was awesome!"  "Leliana is too preachy!" "I wanted Morrigan for F/F romance!"

As for the 'sexuality has to suit the character', I agree, but I also have a great amount of faith in the writing team.  If they wanted to make all the romances bi, they would find a way to make it work.

I also get that, 'not everyone in the world is bi', but our party members all come from different corners of Thedas, and from different walks of life, and bring to the table different life experiences.  To me, that allows some wiggle room to broaden the scope of bi party members.

Just my thoughts, anyway.

I'm not so sure that sexuality has THAT much to do with characterization... Angel and Spike always seemed very straight, but we all know that they've gone at it a time or two

[JohnstonMR]

Briallen wrote...

I'm not sure whether this thread is amusing or exasperating.

1. All the people saying "I like ___!" or "I can't stand ___!" or "I think ___ is boring!" Jumping to conclusions, much? How the hell can you possibly know whether you like or don't like any of these characters yet? Not only has the game not been released yet, but we haven't even gotten character-centric trailers like we did for Origins. Virtually all we know about each of these characters, LI's and non-LI's alike, can be summed up in a paragraph or two. Anyone ever heard the saying, "Don't judge a book by its cover"?

Agreed. 

2. The following is clearly both an unpopular and a non-politically-correct opinion, but I don't care. Making all the love interests available to both male and female Hawke would be idiotic. This might be news to some of you, but believe it or not, not everyone in the world is bisexual. For all the romanceable characters in the entire game to just magically happen to swing both ways would strain immersion to the breaking point.

And that's where you lost me.  Making a character "bisexual" is not the same as a real human being being bisexual.  It's just a shorthand label for "This character can be romanced by a PC of either gender," which isn't really "bisexual" since there are no romances with OTHER characters, but more "He's straight if the player is straight and gay if the player is gay."  I'm pretty sure you'll know which responses he might call "flirting" and can avoid those if you've a mind to--I certainly avoided flirting with Zevran pretty easily with both male and female wardens.  

The characters have no real sexuality--they're not even people, they're just collections of animations and scripts and voice files.  For players to get all bent out of shape over the possibility of a m/m romance or a f/f romance (or even a m/f romance, as some have done) is just absurd, especially when we're talking about Bioware, which has been including romances of various flavors in games for what, 15 years now?  More?  

How would this "strain immersion to the breaking point"?  Give me a real reason--hell, give me a real way you'd even KNOW?  I played Jade Empire three times before I realized Sky could be romanced with a male character, and as a Bi guy, you'd think I'd have seen it a mile away--but I didn't.  He just seemed like a good friend until I saw it mentioned online.  

What you really mean is that YOU think it's dumb.  That does not make it true.  

[MorningBird]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'm not so sure that sexuality has THAT much to do with characterization... Angel and Spike always seemed very straight, but we all know that they've gone at it a time or two

I can see how it could, but I also see how it could not (if that makes any sense! xD)

As per the Sten example, some cultures in Thedas don't seem to be very open to romance, much less 'impractical' romance ("I don't understand... if there is no chance of baring offspring, what is the point of your joining?').  Thus the reason Sten isn't a LI in Origins.   Well, that plus budget limitations. ;D

However, if a Qunari left the Quan, I see no reason why they couldn't bat for the home team.

[Ryzaki]

Heck maybe they left the Qun because they did bat for the home team.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

If we're talking about the video game, then you're right. The writers could write the game so that everyone who is bisexual treats both sexes as if they were the same, like fable.

And that's all I'm saying, really.  Or at least as far as companions and potential LIs go.

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

But if we're talking reality, then no.

I'm not.  Hence the "it's a video game" distinction.  I mean, if we were making a reality based dating situation I'd be making a different argument.  Romances are a bonus to a fantasy adventure RPG, and I don't really have issues with a game making bonus content more available to the widest possible audience, resources permitting.

As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see.

[megaz635]

Ah Romance,

If you don't pursue love interests and stay alone for the rest of your life you just might become this:

[_Somebody]

megaz635 wrote...

Ah Romance,

If you don't pursue love interests and stay alone for the rest of your life you just might become this:

[Ryzaki]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...
As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see. 

I was going to say something...but then I thought better of it. 

There's...just really nothing I can say about this other than a giant

Lolwut?

Right because you who have no bisexual friends magically know all straight men are the same?

I assume you have no female friends then. 

You don't know the sexualities of the characters yet to be even mentioning "originally straight." 


You just said you didn't know any bisexuals. So either your a liar or your making assumptions. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 février 2011 - 03:09 .

[GothamKnight129]

stephen1493 wrote...

GothamKnight129 wrote...

I'm not sure why BioWare even bothered to confirm Isabela because according to Wikia, it was pretty much confirmed from the get-go...I wish BioWare would've dropped a voice actress name along with the confirmation of something I already know but I guess they wanna kept details like that to themselves for now.

Anyway if I ever manage to get a Playstation 3 or a XBox Slim later on this year (so I can finally play games again,) I'll probably pass on the romance options for Dragon Age 2. (At least on the first playthrough!) Because once again there's only two romantic choices for a guy like me who doesn't like to play as a chick in a BioWare game...I kinda wish that Aveline Vallen was a romantic character but you take what you can get I suppose.

I hate to sound like an ungrateful bastard but I gotta be honest here man. I'm sorta underwhelmed with the female romantic interest(s) in Dragon Age 2. Because to me none of them look particularly interesting on a visual level. I mean Isabela looks Jack Sparrow if Jack was born a woman instead of a man. And Merrill just looks like a pale outcast who's been alone in the woods for way too long. Overall their visual appearances are not terrible they're just "Meh!" but hopefully their personalities will make up for that. I'm just not gonna romance them from the get-go that's all.

Then may I suggest The Pearl?

I'll probably try the Pearl on my first playthrough but I'm honestly not expecting much. I mean the first time I played Dragon Age: Origins and went to the Pearl my expectations were high but once I picked a girl, I got one line of dialogue out of her and then screen faded to black and I heard a moaning noise. And that was it. 

Ever since I sold my original white Xbox, I've been playing flash hentai games online called Meet and ****. And to be brutally honest their sex mini games are better. Now I know BioWare can't show anything as far as nudity goes but I think they could make a sexual mini-game where you're staring at black screen and pressing any random button that flashes over the TV set for a brief moment and if you hit the button right at the right time you hear either a man or a woman (depending on your preference) moan orgasmically and uttering a dirty line before you have to go back to pushing a random series of timed buttons.

Modifié par GothamKnight129, 15 février 2011 - 02:57 .

[MorningBird]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...


As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see.

I wouldn't call you a bigot, but the bolded line is where you've lost me.

Say Kirkwall is home to.... 1000 people, and of that 1000, 800 were bi love interests.

While I'd personally feel very lucky to have so many options from those numbers, I would agree with you.  Running into 800/1000 bi characters who were all love interests would be immersion breaking.

However, we're more looking at numbers of 4/1000.  Meaning, out of the possible 1000 people living in Kirkwall, only 4 are bi and they just happen to be love interests.

This, to me, is within the realm of realism, and shouldn't ruin anyone's immersion.

[Dr. wonderful]

I love how the fourm already guess which ones were a romance. (Anders was a shocker for me.) Hmmm, love the short stories and Anders was the saddest.



No wonder he quit the Wardens. would my warden approved what happened to him? F*ck no,

[upsettingshorts]

In terms of game design and character, I wouldn't make all characters themselves consistently bi. They'd either be gay or straight depending on the gender of the protagonist. If their sexual history is important to the character, then that'd be different. Like, Zevran talks about previous lovers. If their sexual history wasn't strictly relevant or could go unmentioned or left vague, there's flexibility there.

[duckphone07]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see.

I had no problem with your post except this.  If it is possible for a straight guy to have a "just friends" relationship with a girl, then it is possible to do so with a straight guy and a bi/gay guy.  Just like not all girls are attracted to you, not all gay guys are attracted to you. 

[mesmerizedish]

MorningBird wrote...

I wouldn't call you a bigot, but the bolded line is where you've lost me.

Say Kirkwall is home to.... 1000 people, and of that 1000, 800 were bi love interests.

While I'd personally feel very lucky to have so many options from those numbers, I would agree with you.  Running into 800/1000 bi characters who were all love interests would be immersion breaking.

However, we're more looking at numbers of 4/1000.  Meaning, out of the possible 1000 people living in Kirkwall, only 4 are bi and they just happen to be love interests.

This, to me, is within the realm of realism, and shouldn't ruin anyone's immersion.

And, it's entirely possible that you would never even KNOW that a LI was bi unless you were actively persuing him/her, so... *shrug*

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

MorningBird wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...


As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see.

I wouldn't call you a bigot, but the bolded line is where you've lost me.

Say Kirkwall is home to.... 1000 people, and of that 1000, 800 were bi love interests.

While I'd personally feel very lucky to have so many options from those numbers, I would agree with you.  Running into 800/1000 bi characters who were all love interests would be immersion breaking.

However, we're more looking at numbers of 4/1000.  Meaning, out of the possible 1000 people living in Kirkwall, only 4 are bi and they just happen to be love interests.

This, to me, is within the realm of realism, and shouldn't ruin anyone's immersion.

Just wanna point out  that Realism isn't what i'm looking for, just Immersion.

[Kath]

Yay! I am so happy this was announced today. All of the LIs seem really interesting, and I loved the little stories posted about them. And I have to admit, I was shocked to see that Anders is a LI. I thought he was a great character in Awakenings, but I thought his new drama with Justice would keep him from becoming a LI. Now I am intrigued as to how that will pan out. :-)

[MorningBird]

Dr. wonderful wrote...

I love how the fourm already guess which ones were a romance. (Anders was a shocker for me.) Hmmm, love the short stories and Anders was the saddest.

No wonder he quit the Wardens. would my warden approved what happened to him? F*ck no,

Totally agree.  I read that and thought, "Where the hey was my Warden when these shenanigans went down?"

There's absolutely no way he would have stood for it.  So I'm guessing he wasn't readily available when that all went down.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

duckphone07 wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see.

I had no problem with your post except this.  If it is possible for a straight guy to have a "just friends" relationship with a girl, then it is possible to do so with a straight guy and a bi/gay guy.  Just like not all girls are attracted to you, not all gay guys are attracted to you. 

I'm pretty damn sexy though

[Silver Direwolf]

Ah cool, so Fenris will have some magical abilities as a warrior? Awesome!

[MorningBird]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Just wanna point out  that Realism isn't what i'm looking for, just Immersion.

And your argument seemed to be that having 4 bi love interests wasn't realistic, and thus immersion breaking.

I was merely pointing out how it was realistic, and therefore, that it shouldn't be immersion breaking.

Modifié par MorningBird, 15 février 2011 - 03:04 .

[duckphone07]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

duckphone07 wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see.

I had no problem with your post except this.  If it is possible for a straight guy to have a "just friends" relationship with a girl, then it is possible to do so with a straight guy and a bi/gay guy.  Just like not all girls are attracted to you, not all gay guys are attracted to you. 

I'm pretty damn sexy though

Judging by your avatar, I guess you are. 

[tacopacabana]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

If we're talking about the video game, then you're right. The writers could write the game so that everyone who is bisexual treats both sexes as if they were the same, like fable.

And that's all I'm saying, really.  Or at least as far as companions and potential LIs go.

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

But if we're talking reality, then no.

I'm not.  Hence the "it's a video game" distinction.  I mean, if we were making a reality based dating situation I'd be making a different argument.  Romances are a bonus to a fantasy adventure RPG, and I don't really have issues with a game making bonus content more available to the widest possible audience, resources permitting.

As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see.

maybe if you met some actual homosexuals, (and i dont mean just that one flamboyant one in highschool)you might notice that you can have A LOT of things in common with him. Your comment is stupid. The only real thing you have in common with your str8 friends is your love of girls, which is fine but thats not what you base a friendship on. Think of all the str8 guys you know which you are not friends with for some reason or another, bet theres a bunch.
if you immediatly choose to not be friends with gay people because you dont think you will have anything in common. Your Ignorant.
If you dont want to be friends with them because they will "bone you first chance they get". Your a Douche.

[Ryzaki]

MorningBird wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Just wanna point out  that Realism isn't what i'm looking for, just Immersion.

And your argument seemed to be that having 4 bi love interests wasn't realistic, and thus immersion breaking.

I was merely pointing out how it was realistic, and therefore, that it shouldn't be immersion breaking.

Frankly the fact that someone can shoot fireballs from their hands and not get burned are far more immersion breaking than 4 bisexuals. 

[Duncan Anderson]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...
As many have argued on this forum before, Immersion is vital to RPG's. Keeping you invested in the world and the story so that it is relatable is key IMO. But i have never met a Bi person in my life(knowlingly atleast)Making everyone Romancable in the world Bi would bring me outa bit. Also if i wanna have a bromance with anders or fenris i'd like one of them to be straight because it's easier to connect with characters who share my sexuality. (rarley do you see a straight guy haning out with a gay one, there's a reason for that other than homophobia) If both are Bi I no longer have a character for Hawke to connect to like allistar  to my warden.In other words, i like having male friends who would not Boink me given the chance.  By adding a Bi romance for an originally straight character you'd be taking out the bromance for me. and i suppose by my general consensus of these forums i'm going to get "Your a homophobic biggot" reply. But i don't think it's so wrong to prefer straight friends of the same sex to bi/gay friends when it comes to the same sex atleast, because i think  we'd have alot more in common, due to sexuality being a rather large part of our human mentality. and i like to have alot in common with my friends.

And by making romances all bi your not adding bonus content, just making the content that was already there easier to see. 

I considered explaining why everything you have to say here is shear idiocy, but if you're trying to justify your obvious bigotry with such flimsy excuses they your really not worth the time it take to do anything more than call you a ****wit and leave.

****wit.