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[J.C. Blade]

Addai67 wrote...

J.C. Blade wrote...

Oh, and I'll drive a lot of satisfaction from the game and the story and have my Hawke rise to become a champion. She'll just be a lonely thing as she reaches for that power

And out of sexual frustration, she'll pillage and terrorize the unsuspecting citizens of Kirkwall. 

It'll bring her fame and reaches, and throne of bones with a crown made of qunari horns

Yesss, I will be having fun 

[falconlord5]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

Charming in a cosmic horror, your mind cannot possibly comprehend the true nature of terror, sort of way.

You know, she worked hard on Merrillcat, and I think Merrillcat is adorable. But if all you people are gonna do is tear her down, I'm going back to something more mainstream

That really wasn't the intent, I swear.

'Tis all in good fun.

[Thiefy]

Addai67 wrote...

It can't be much of a romance if he's taken Chantry vows. I mean, the spirit of those vows is likely to keep yourself from attachments, not just physical contact. If he's gonna break 'em, he might as well... you know. But it could be sweet if it's presented as him kissing the PC in a moment of weakness or something. Sweet in a heartbreaking way.

yeah, that's what julie andrews thought in the sound of music. though to be fair, i do think this one of those "unrequited" scenarios, which i think can play out very well. anyway, the apeal to me is that should it actually pan out, in which ever direction, it's more than just sexual attraction there and i think that two people trying to control themselves instead of giving in because its natural, is something that is not often explored in today's media.

i dunno, i'd just like to think there's more to love than sex. but i'm sure the desire demon in the trailer will disagree with me.

[halokitty]

Addai67 wrote...

Well, a tip- if you want something to be considered unremarkable then don't make a big cause of it.  Hyperbolizing on those who aren't as excited about the idea as you are is probably not a good idea, either. 

What I mean by unremarkable is this- same-sex romance options are treated with the same sense of normalcy and thought and implementation as straight ones.  Their place in the Dragon Age world is on generally on par with any other romantic or sexual partnership, with the possible exception of instances of lineage.  I am sure that to some- even many- the all-bi issue was something that was either not a priority or an opposing viewpoint.  But to some of us, it represents something greater than just game or plot in the specific instance of Dragon Age 2 or even Bioware.  It represents a deep and humbling feeling of identity in the games we love.  I cannot quite express the feeling of seeing your character, the protaganist, the hero as a direct reflection of who you are and how you feel.  And further, to see it treated with such honesty- all the moreso when you are talking about folks who generally face descrimination and hostility from both the gaming world and elements of society at large.  Bioware took a stand and let us know, in no uncertain terms, that our gaming experience, the fulfillment of our Hawke and the story we want to tell, is as important and relevant as any other.  For that I am grateful. 

Of course, I fully accept that this can stem from an individual's specific playing style and approach to meta-information.  When I play a game like Dragon Age or Mass Effect or Fallout or any personalized RPG, I tend to look at my first playthrough as cannon.  This is my character, this is the story I am telling.  Whatever happens in-game is as it should be and I rarely play through again.  I don't think in terms of characters adapting to my meta choices, whether that's something as deep as leveling and stat-assignment or as shallow as NPC sexual identity being shaped or reflected by my gender choice.  To me, that is no different than thinking "Well, I simply can't relate to this Cousland guy calling me his daughter since in someone else's game his dialog calls them son," or feeling that the triumph of beating the game on Nightmare is lessened because someone else beat it on Easy.

Modifié par halokitty, 07 mars 2011 - 06:26 .

[Addai]

halokitty wrote...

What I mean by unremarkable is this- same-sex romance options are treated with the same sense of normalcy and thought and implementation as straight ones.  Their place in the Dragon Age world is on generally on par with any other romantic or sexual partnership, with the possible exception of instances of lineage.  I am sure that to some- even many- the all-bi issue was something that was either not a priority or an opposing viewpoint.  But to some of us, it represents something greater than just game or plot in the specific instance of Dragon Age 2 or even Bioware.  It represents a deep and humbling feeling of identity in the games we love.  I cannot quite express the feeling of seeing your character, the protaganist, the hero as a direct reflection of who you are and how you feel.  And further, to see it treated with such honesty- all the moreso when you are talking about folks who generally face descrimination and hostility from both the gaming world and elements of society at large.  Bioware took a stand and let us know, in no uncertain terms, that our gaming experience, the fulfillment of our Hawke and the story we want to tell, is as important and relevant as any other.  For that I am grateful. 

Uh.. ok.  Good for you, I guess.  I think that's a bit dramatic.  After all, it's not like this is the first time there were bisexual romances in a game.  To demand that all of them be just like you is a bit much.  But that's how the writers chose to go, and I guess you're free to see it as "taking a stand" if you like.

[EscherEnigma]

Um, except it isn't something that anyone demanded. It was something freely given, absent of coercion or force. And *that* is what's remarkable.

[vengerturtle]

EscherEnigma wrote...

Um, except it isn't something that anyone demanded. It was something freely given, absent of coercion or force. And *that* is what's remarkable.

It really was quite nice, it was a wonderful surprise.

Although now I really am torn between who I want to romance on what playthroughs. With everyone being bi except Seb, there are literally no restrictions - I am excited for the freedom to get to feel things out as I go and decide which character to romance depending on what class and gender I chose and being overwhelmed with the possibilites. Do I want to be a male mage and hook up with Anders? Or do I want to make a female rogue who can try and help Fenris through his issues? I kind of want to be a strong male Hawke who is very stern with everyone but Merrill. It's exciting.

[mellifera]

Addai67 wrote...
Uh.. ok.  Good for you, I guess.  I think that's a bit dramatic.  After all, it's not like this is the first time there were bisexual romances in a game.  To demand that all of them be just like you is a bit much.  But that's how the writers chose to go, and I guess you're free to see it as "taking a stand" if you like.

It means a lot to some people. It might not to you for a multitude of reasons, but there is no need to be so patronizing about it.

[J.C. Blade]

There was also no need for the part of gaming population on this site who are out-most thrilled with this outcome to throw "homophobe" accusations left and right against people who are less than thrilled with all bi status but I had seen it happen never the less on nearly every romance thread since confirmation, and I'm not talking about trolls trolling their bigotry junk here.

Modifié par J.C. Blade, 07 mars 2011 - 07:04 .

[Blue_Shayde]

<_<


I have but one thing to say to contribute to the romance thread, in honor of DA's awesomeness.

Fenderhawkarricsebaberrill!!!  *runs away*

Modifié par Blue_Shayde, 07 mars 2011 - 07:19 .

[Sheysira]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

<_<


I have but one thing to say to contribute to the romance thread, in honor of DA's awesomeness.

Fenderhawkarricsebaberrill!!!  *runs away*

*gloats*

[vengerturtle]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

<_<


I have but one thing to say to contribute to the romance thread, in honor of DA's awesomeness.

Fenderhawkarricsebaberrill!!!  *runs away*

LMAO that sounds like something you'd gift Oghren with.

[halokitty]

Blue_Shayde wrote...

<_<


I have but one thing to say to contribute to the romance thread, in honor of DA's awesomeness.

Fenderhawkarricsebaberrill!!!  *runs away*

*steeples fingers*  Well played, my all-bi ninja friend.  Well played.

[DarthSliver]

Well the only justified argument i see is will it hurt the characters character being all bi?

But from David Gaider quotes i seen, I dont believe it will. We will simple have 2 bi options with other 2 bi characters being more on the experimental side. Meaning your have to convince them to enter the romance due to their preference so to speak. Also I think they learned from their previous bi options so they wont really be s/s romance there unless you activate it.

But really will them being all bi hurt their character is the only real argument. We already know the Romance characters wont be gay/lesbian unless you allow them to be and start hitting on them with your Hawke being the same gender as said character. Its content you can skip and be nonexistence to you all you playthroughs.

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

halokitty wrote...

What I mean by unremarkable is this- same-sex romance options are treated with the same sense of normalcy and thought and implementation as straight ones.  Their place in the Dragon Age world is on generally on par with any other romantic or sexual partnership, with the possible exception of instances of lineage.  I am sure that to some- even many- the all-bi issue was something that was either not a priority or an opposing viewpoint.  But to some of us, it represents something greater than just game or plot in the specific instance of Dragon Age 2 or even Bioware.  It represents a deep and humbling feeling of identity in the games we love.  I cannot quite express the feeling of seeing your character, the protaganist, the hero as a direct reflection of who you are and how you feel.  And further, to see it treated with such honesty- all the moreso when you are talking about folks who generally face descrimination and hostility from both the gaming world and elements of society at large.  Bioware took a stand and let us know, in no uncertain terms, that our gaming experience, the fulfillment of our Hawke and the story we want to tell, is as important and relevant as any other.  For that I am grateful. 

Good for you, but I think you're thinking too far into it.  Bioware can't put in a exclusive same-sex romance so they just double up on male/female romances.

Modifié par Red by Full Metal Jacket, 07 mars 2011 - 08:20 .

[Requel]

I can't wait for Fenris Only 4 days left, and I will put my hand on him

[demonic_cookie]

I think that's a bit dramatic. After all, it's not like this is the first time there were bisexual romances in a game.

I can't help but feel you're being deliberately obtuse. You don't see it as inequality when a straight female gets to choose between Zevran and Alistair but a lesbian can only romance Leliana (we're not talking about one-night stands like Iona or Isabela here, just the core romances). You don't see how it would be a problem to some people not to have a choice? Well, good for you. Your sexual orientation allows you to always feel included in any piece of media you see. For some of us actually being given a choice in a piece of mainstream media is a big deal, because the mainstream media on the whole ignores us or makes us embarrassing stereotypes.

Modifié par demonic_cookie, 07 mars 2011 - 09:24 .

[panamakira]

Oh hello y'all!
Just wanted to drop by and ask about Sebastian? Is he a LI? :wub:I've been wondering wether I should get the DLC. Should I? hmmmm....

Anyway, to add something to the past discussion, I have come to terms with the fact that Anders might be BI. I didn't like it at first, and before I get called homophobic, just who do you think made your FenrisXmHawke sigs!!!

No in all seriousness what bothered me was that I never felt it was part of his character. I believe sexuality IS part of a character. It's not everything but it does shape the character.

For example, when you speak with Zevran he mentions how because being part of the Crows, you had to be pretty open minded to get the job done, although he claims he prefers women, it's still something he grew up being taught. What was it he said? "I take pleasures wherever I can~" or something.

With Leliana, she obviously had a relationship with Marjoilaine. She was manipulated by her and you could tell Leliana worshipped her. So these two characters I thought weren't simply blank slates for the player's benefit. It was written IN them.

Anders never gave me that vibe. Like yeah he was kinda metro but that's not enough to make him BI. I mean he flirted with women whenever he got the chance. Even when you meet him right away. So my point is, it feels like Bioware made the romances BI for the sake of the player and not for the sake of his character.

I have no problem with Isabela because my Warden and Alistair got down and dirty with her (I'm guilty, I did it just so I could get my Warden mentioned by her in DA2 :innocent:)and I don't know much of anything about Merrill or Fenris.

Let's just say as it was mentioned in the Anders thread, all LI will "Hawke-sexual".

<3

[LadySatsuki]

Addai67 wrote...

It can't be much of a romance if he's taken Chantry vows. I mean, the spirit of those vows is likely to keep yourself from attachments, not just physical contact. If he's gonna break 'em, he might as well... you know. But it could be sweet if it's presented as him kissing the PC in a moment of weakness or something. Sweet in a heartbreaking way.

That's why I hope there's an option to marry him down the road (even if it means no in-game sex scene, which I think is likely a given at this point). I want the relationship to go SOMEWHERE.

If not, well . . . . . . I guess it's cute.

[Addai]

EscherEnigma wrote...

Um, except it isn't something that anyone demanded. It was something freely given, absent of coercion or force. And *that* is what's remarkable.

You haven't been around the forums much, eh?

[catabuca]

Don't be like that, Addai. People getting excited (or even overly excited) about the possibility of more s/s options does not equate to a demand for anything. In fact, during all the speculation, we all dealt with various comments over and over, saying we were not demanding anything.

We know you're not happy about the way things have turned out, I'm just not sure why you want to cast blame all over the place, especially toward those who are happy at the news. There's really no point.

This game went into development a long time ago. The writers and developers made their own decisions about this way back when. Rather than trying to pick fights with those who are happy about the news, why don't you speak to the writers and express your unhappiness to them?

[Ryzaki]

@panamakira: As a show of your newfound appreciation for Hawksexuality could we get a AndersxM!Hawke siggy?

Please? :innocent: 

As for th rest of your post: I too was pretty eh on Anders in the beginning but he's grow on me. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 07 mars 2011 - 05:27 .

[Addai]

demonic_cookie wrote...

I think that's a bit dramatic. After all, it's not like this is the first time there were bisexual romances in a game.

I can't help but feel you're being deliberately obtuse. You don't see it as inequality when a straight female gets to choose between Zevran and Alistair but a lesbian can only romance Leliana (we're not talking about one-night stands like Iona or Isabela here, just the core romances). You don't see how it would be a problem to some people not to have a choice? Well, good for you. Your sexual orientation allows you to always feel included in any piece of media you see. For some of us actually being given a choice in a piece of mainstream media is a big deal, because the mainstream media on the whole ignores us or makes us embarrassing stereotypes.

And some people might like the choice of a straight or gay LI, so there's still no "equality," and now we have the rather absurd fact that Hawke gathers bisexuals like a beacon.  If you want to make a big political thing out of it or see it as validation or whatever, fine.

[Thiefy]

So is anyone wondering what the "catches" are with the romances this time around?
Like the Morrigan/Alistair "catch"?

You know it's in there, at least for one of the romances.

[mesmerizedish]

Addai67 wrote...

And some people might like the choice of a straight or gay LI, so there's still no "equality," and now we have the rather absurd fact that Hawke gathers bisexuals like a beacon.  If you want to make a big political thing out of it or see it as validation or whatever, fine.

1. They're not all bisexual. They're all bisexually romanceable.
2. It's not absurd.
3. You're never going to understand either of the above.