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[prazision]

RosaAquafire wrote...

You know, some women have great figures. I have a KILLER figure when I'm watching my weight. Big hips, big butt, huge breasts.

Does this make me a less deep person? Does this mean that my body type can't be in video games?

Reducto ad absurdum.  I am not saying, and have never said, that full-figured women shouldn't be in games.

My point is that in Western Fantasy RPGs - and certainly in Origins and what we've seen from DA2 - there is a trend to make every woman "buxom".  It's a trope of the genre, and I don't know how you can deny that.  It's a holdover from when the only people who played Western RPGs or read fantasy novels were immature males fixated on sex (never mind that many men actually prefer small breasts - see my earlier post about Jack being the most attractive character BioWare has ever created).

Gaider and Laidlaw talk a big game about being "revolutionary" and doing things that haven't been done before, but I've yet to see no proof of this.  Framed narrative based on someone being interrogated about the past?  Alpha Protocol.  Laidlaw straight up said that the final boss fight in DA2 is "borrowed" from another game.  Having the "buxom wenches everywhere" aesthetic is just another example.

DA2 will no doubt be fun, but I'm not expecting ME2 levels of quality at this point.  I'd like to be surprised, but the more we see, the more my doubts are confirmed.

[Gabriel S.]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

1: Bisexuals like men and women... liking women is a prerequisite for bisexuality.

Actually, liking women is a 'prerequisite' for ****** women and hetero men. Liking both genders is the very definition of bisexuality.

[prazision]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

As a bisexual man, Zevran was rather insulting

I am also bisexual and agree 100%.  Whether it's Fenris or Anders, I hope the gay romance really is a romance, not a roll in the hay with a promiscuous assassin.

[HolyJellyfish]

prazision wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

You know, some women have great figures. I have a KILLER figure when I'm watching my weight. Big hips, big butt, huge breasts.

Does this make me a less deep person? Does this mean that my body type can't be in video games?

Reducto ad absurdum.  I am not saying, and have never said, that full-figured women shouldn't be in games.

My point is that in Western Fantasy RPGs - and certainly in Origins and what we've seen from DA2 - there is a trend to make every woman "buxom".  It's a trope of the genre, and I don't know how you can deny that.  It's a holdover from when the only people who played Western RPGs or read fantasy novels were immature males fixated on sex (never mind that many men actually prefer small breasts - see my earlier post about Jack being the most attractive character BioWare has ever created).

Hollywood can have their size zero five foot fifteen models.

I like my buxom heroines with big boobs, ass, and curves. They aren't ANY WHERE ELSE in mainstream entertainment these days!  Once I see this disappearing, that'll be the end of it.

[lilliful]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

And to compare someone who openly hits on both sexes to one that has only shown interest in females is rather dumb

Zevran only shows interest in females in public. The only time Zevran hits on a man is in private conversation with the player character. Given there was no possible romance in Awakenings, we never really had the opportunity to see what might have come up with Anders if they had more time.

[HolyJellyfish]

prazision wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

As a bisexual man, Zevran was rather insulting

I am also bisexual and agree 100%.  Whether it's Fenris or Anders, I hope the gay romance really is a romance, not a roll in the hay with a promiscuous assassin.

I dinno man. First play through, Zevran came across as shallow. Second play through I was legitimately surprised at how deep and vulnerable and.... sad he was. One of my male gamer buddies romanced him, was pissed initially because he thought Zevran was a nasty stereotype, and then was pretty damn surprised at his depth.

If there was any dislike for him, it was personal taste. I don't believe Zevran was insulting. If he was insulting, his depth would've ended at the roll in a hay.

[Pyrrhus of Epirus]

lilliful wrote...

Mad-Max90 wrote...

And to compare someone who openly hits on both sexes to one that has only shown interest in females is rather dumb

Zevran only shows interest in females in public. The only time Zevran hits on a man is in private conversation with the player character. Given there was no possible romance in Awakenings, we never really had the opportunity to see what might have come up with Anders if they had more time.

Precisely. I wasn't comparing the character concepts, as Zevran's actual characterization is irrelevant here, but rather the way the game runs regarding homosexual relationships. I think that at least with the way things are now, all bisexual male love interests will appear straight in public. I was using Zevran as an example, because this is exactly what happened with him.

[Mad-Max90]

Really? Qunari have horns now is your argument, really? There's a difference in new art direction than new character direction, I'm not even against Anders as a bi option but I'm just saying there is no evidence to probe it, other than they won't give us another bi elf

[Ryzaki]

...Zevran hits on Alistair at least once.

Alistair: I've been thinking about those ink drawings, what did you call them? Tattoos? Are you... still willing to do one?
Zevran: Oh-ho! You've decided to take the plunge, have you? What is a little pain, am I right?
Alistair: I'm not worried about that. I think they look interesting, though I'd want mine... smaller. When can you do it?
Zevran: Not so fast, my friend. There is an entire ritual to how this is done, do you not know? First I need to bathe you in a mixture of olives and rosewater.
Alistair: You need to... bathe me? That seems... odd.
Zevran: No, no, no, not at all. It needs to be worked into your skin, preparing it to receive the ink. The massage is quite pleasurable, do not worry. You are in good hands.
Alistair: The... massage? You're... having me on, aren't you?
Zevran: I might be. I might not be. Shall I describe the rest of the ritual to you?
Alistair: Hmm. No. No, on second thought I'll just pass.
Zevran: *Laughs* Excellent choice!

Sten: 

Zevran: So, your sheath is empty, then, my qunari friend?
Sten: My sheath?
Zevran: You do not seem to be rising to the occasion.
Sten: Do you spend your free time composing these?
Zevran: Oh, no. They arise in the inspiration of the moment.
Sten: You should write them down, then. Quietly.

Oghren: 

Oghren: All right. I guess you aren't all that bad.
Zevran: You just decided that, did you?
Oghren: Well, I've watch you fight. You could be worse, I guess.
Zevran: From you, that's practically a proposal of marriage.
Oghren: Don't get excited or nothin'. You're not what I'm looking for in a wife.
Zevran: Considering what happened to your last wife, I'll count myself as fortunate.

Oghren: So... Antiva. Wonderful place. Full of... Antivans.
Zevran: Oghren. If you want to bed me, you have only to ask.
Oghren: What!? Draw your weapon and say that again!
Zevran: (Laughs) I jest, my foul-smelling friend. You are only slightly more attractive to me than a slime-filled pool of swamp water.
Oghren: (Grunts) Better be.
Zevran: You have my oath.
Oghren: Bloody Antivans.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 février 2011 - 12:14 .

[Chronicdoodler]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Chronicdoodler wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

How is someone to pretty to be straight? *is baffled*

In my mind, he was intentionally designed to have that bishonen look that would appeal to the yaoi lovers. skinny, feminine features, white hair. 

Or instead of being a stereotype, he was designed as Gaider had envisioned him to look.

Maybe so, at this point everything is speculation. 

Out of curiosity, How much creative control does Gaider have in the character design?   

[Curlain]

prazision wrote...


Reducto ad absurdum.  I am not saying, and have never said, that full-figured women shouldn't be in games.

My point is that in Western Fantasy RPGs - and certainly in Origins and what we've seen from DA2 - there is a trend to make every woman "buxom".  It's a trope of the genre, and I don't know how you can deny that.  It's a holdover from when the only people who played Western RPGs or read fantasy novels were immature males fixated on sex (never mind that many men actually prefer small breasts - see my earlier post about Jack being the most attractive character BioWare has ever created).

Gaider and Laidlaw talk a big game about being "revolutionary" and doing things that haven't been done before, but I've yet to see no proof of this.  Framed narrative based on someone being interrogated about the past?  Alpha Protocol.  Laidlaw straight up said that the final boss fight in DA2 is "borrowed" from another game.  Having the "buxom wenches everywhere" aesthetic is just another example.

DA2 will no doubt be fun, but I'm not expecting ME2 levels of quality at this point.  I'd like to be surprised, but the more we see, the more my doubts are confirmed.

However Merrill doesn't fit this trope, so it isn't every female character, and certainly not every romancable female (being only one is buxom).  And that is part of a design to go with Isabella's personality (going with this whole more stylised thing).  Is it revoluntionary? no.  Is it just catering to in your opinion the troupe of fantasy buxom ladies (particularly as LI), with Merrill in it, then no.

So I don't see only one type of female heroine body shape being presented at the moment

[dreamextractor]

nevermind

Modifié par dreamextractor, 16 février 2011 - 12:17 .

[prazision]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Hollywood can have their size zero five foot fifteen models.

I like my buxom heroines with big boobs, ass, and curves. They aren't ANY WHERE ELSE in mainstream entertainment these days!

Are you kidding me?  Have you been to a Hooters?  Have you seen NFL cheerleaders?  Do you live under a rock?

"Big breasts" is still very much perceived as what red-blooded manly men want.

[Pyrrhus of Epirus]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Zevran hits on Alistair at least once.

Are you referring to the "jump borders" line, in his banter with Shale? I think that was vague enough that my point still holds water. He's just kind of referring to Alistair as attractive in a general sense, not saying "Hey there, hot stuff, why don't you and I go back to my tent?" Zevran's dialogue is really carefully constructed so that anyone who doesn't want to see m/m gayness in their game doesn't really have to. 

[prazision]

However Merrill doesn't fit this trope

Point me to an in-game screenshot of Merrill which clearly shows she has small breasts.  All I've seen is the notorious "that's a bad angle" picture where her breasts were as big as her head.

[Ceil-sama]

Zevran has also offered the "tattoo ritual" to Alistair...

[lilliful]

Mad-Max90 wrote...

Really? Qunari have horns now is your argument, really? There's a difference in new art direction than new character direction, I'm not even against Anders as a bi option but I'm just saying there is no evidence to probe it, other than they won't give us another bi elf

I agree the "change in art direction" (what, to gay mage art direction?) and "spirit-induced sexuality shift" seem like ridiculous explanations, and besides the "not another bi elf" deal, you're right, there is ZERO evidence for Anders. But, the only evidence for Fenris consits of "all pretty elf men are bi." Given that it has to be one of them, and that the only reason to suspect Fenris is bi is a trope that I would think the writers would want to avoid doing a second time, I think it makes Anders the more compelling choice given what we know right now about the two characters.

[HolyJellyfish]

prazision wrote...

However Merrill doesn't fit this trope

Point me to an in-game screenshot of Merrill which clearly shows she has small breasts.  All I've seen is the notorious "that's a bad angle" picture where her breasts were as big as her head.

You were saying?

[Dr. wonderful]

Wow, I better stay away from this thread for a while.





You guys get serious and I'm just waiting for feb 22.

[Ryzaki]

Pyrrhus of Epirus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Zevran hits on Alistair at least once.

Are you referring to the "jump borders" line, in his banter with Shale? I think that was vague enough that my point still holds water. He's just kind of referring to Alistair as attractive in a general sense, not saying "Hey there, hot stuff, why don't you and I go back to my tent?" Zevran's dialogue is really carefully constructed so that anyone who doesn't want to see m/m gayness in their game doesn't really have to. 

I gave a nice amount of convos where he's being either flirtaous or the other party thinks he's being flirty. 

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

prazision wrote...

However Merrill doesn't fit this trope

Point me to an in-game screenshot of Merrill which clearly shows she has small breasts.  All I've seen is the notorious "that's a bad angle" picture where her breasts were as big as her head.

even if they were big,SO WHAT?
they're completley covered in a thick sweater material. Some girls have big boobs, dosen't make them sexsymbols or bimbos or w/e simply because of that reason.

People see C cups and go crazy like they've never seen one before.

Modifié par My Avatar is a Lizard, 16 février 2011 - 12:30 .

[Dr. wonderful]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

prazision wrote...

However Merrill doesn't fit this trope

Point me to an in-game screenshot of Merrill which clearly shows she has small breasts.  All I've seen is the notorious "that's a bad angle" picture where her breasts were as big as her head.

You were saying?

Oh you're good.

[prazision]

That's a really awkward picture. It looks like Merrill's breasts are sagging literally halfway down her torso.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

prazision wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

You know, some women have great figures. I have a KILLER figure when I'm watching my weight. Big hips, big butt, huge breasts.

Does this make me a less deep person? Does this mean that my body type can't be in video games?

My point is that in Western Fantasy RPGs - and certainly in Origins and what we've seen from DA2 - there is a trend to make every woman "buxom". 

Ok bro, Mind Giving some examples of recent WFRPG's that make women every women Buxom?

the only notable recent Additions to the genre i can think of have been Oblivion, Witcher, Fable kinda, and Dragon age.

None of which i think have oversexualized women (although i haven't played witcher)

[HolyJellyfish]

prazision wrote...

That's a really awkward picture. It looks like Merrill's breasts are sagging literally halfway down her torso.

Really?

My goodness.

See..... First they were too big. Now they are sagging and awkward.

You must have a pair yourself, since you seem to know how they work so well and what makes a pair passable for a fantasy videogame.