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[Pyrrhus of Epirus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Pyrrhus of Epirus wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

...Zevran hits on Alistair at least once.

Are you referring to the "jump borders" line, in his banter with Shale? I think that was vague enough that my point still holds water. He's just kind of referring to Alistair as attractive in a general sense, not saying "Hey there, hot stuff, why don't you and I go back to my tent?" Zevran's dialogue is really carefully constructed so that anyone who doesn't want to see m/m gayness in their game doesn't really have to. 

I gave a nice amount of convos where he's being either flirtaous or the other party thinks he's being flirty. 

Ah, sorry, my pages weren't loading fast enough there and I missed it!

[mesmerizedish]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

prazision wrote...

That's a really awkward picture. It looks like Merrill's breasts are sagging literally halfway down her torso.

Really?

My goodness.

See..... First they were too big. Now they are sagging and awkward.

You must have a pair yourself, since you seem to know how they work so well and what makes a pair passable for a fantasy videogame.

There's just no helping some people

[prazision]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...
even if they were big,SO WHAT?
they're completley covered in a thick sweater material. Some girls have big boobs, dosen't make them sexsymbols or bimbos or w/e simply because of that reason.

People see C cups and go crazy like they've never seen one before.

Isabela's got D cups, minimum.  Miranda in Mass Effect has C cups.  You might know this if you'd ever been bra shopping with a girlfriend.

My point is that by having so many buxom wenches in Fantasy RPGs, it makes them look juvenile to the outside world - much like comic books.

It would be nice if the genre could be written, and taken, seriously instead of BOOBS SWORDS SEXY BLOOD HECK YEAH.

[Athro]

The point about Anders possibly being bi is because the story makes a lot about him being considered different, an abomination, needing to change things so that he can be himself without fear... that is all easily read as subtext for being bi/gay.

It's not the Justice/Vengeance thing - it's his motivations for teaming up with Justice.

It's not a 100% case for being gay/bi - it's just a very compelling reason because his backstory would match with the option.

Of course I'm on Team Fenris myself.

As for Zevran - I HATED him when I saw the trailers. But you know what? I decided that I still wanted to have a m/m romance in the game and I was willing to give the writers as chance - and I was quite impressed with how Zevran came across in the end. By the end of the game, I felt the writers completely redeemed the character in my eyes. (Along with the voice actor, who did a good job.)

As it is, I think both Fenris and Anders are really interesting characters and either of them would be a cool m/m romance option in my opinion.

C

[Sabariel]

dreamextractor wrote...

OK, I saw somebody else bring up the argument again that Anders would be bisexual because Justice is sharing his body. WHY would that have any effect on his sexuality??? Justice/Vengeance is a spirit of Justice/Vengeance...who will probably be more concerned about...Justice/Vengeance rather than who he's going to have sex with?????

He's not the freaking Spirit of Love and Sexuality.

Justice/Vengeance inhabits a man's body. That is soooooo gay

[Ploppy]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

prazision wrote...

However Merrill doesn't fit this trope

Point me to an in-game screenshot of Merrill which clearly shows she has small breasts.  All I've seen is the notorious "that's a bad angle" picture where her breasts were as big as her head.

You were saying?

Why is Merrill hiding a sack of potatoes inside her robe?

[HolyJellyfish]

I am tired of having the Boob Police debate the size of Isabela and Merrill and even F!Hawke's rack.



Big. Deal. If they aren't attractive to you and its a make-or-break quality, don't romance them. But don't sit there and criticize it either. It insults a lot of ladies here who relate to those sizes and don't find the rack A) insulting or too fantastic.



I RELATE to Isabela's size. I'm a freaking Derby chick. I have a big rack and I have thick thighs and torso. I have to because I need the weight to KNOCK people OFF their FEET.



I don't CARE if its a game trope. Her body size is perfectly fine. She doesn't look like Bayonetta or Tifa Lockheart.

[prazision]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Ok bro, Mind Giving some examples of recent WFRPG's that make women every women Buxom?

the only notable recent Additions to the genre i can think of have been Oblivion, Witcher, Fable kinda, and Dragon age.

None of which i think have oversexualized women (although i haven't played witcher)

Ahahahahaha.  Witcher is by far the worst example.  By FAR.  So putting that on the list isn't helping matters.

Literally every woman in The Witcher wants to sleep with you.  Literally.

[Krimson_Wolf]

I find it funny there are already Fans of romance in the game even though its a month out. I think we should reserve the right to side with any one character till the game launches.

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

prazision wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...
even if they were big,SO WHAT?
they're completley covered in a thick sweater material. Some girls have big boobs, dosen't make them sexsymbols or bimbos or w/e simply because of that reason.

People see C cups and go crazy like they've never seen one before.

1.Isabela's got D cups, minimum.  Miranda in Mass Effect has C cups.  You might know this if you'd ever been bra shopping with a girlfriend.

2.My point is that by having so many buxom wenches in Fantasy RPGs, it makes them look juvenile to the outside world - much like comic books.

3.It would be nice if the genre could be written, and taken, seriously instead of BOOBS SWORDS SEXY BLOOD HECK YEAH.

1. Lol @ trying to actually measure  video game characters breast.

2. Except there are no Buxom wenches, Except maybe isabella.
Bigboobs =/=Wench.

3.i know right?
It's so obvious Bioware is writing this for the bewbs

[Ninja Mage]

Chris Priestly wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

Ser Priestly may we inquire as to which romance are open to which genders?

Remember where I said:
"To learn more about the romances, you will need to play Dragon Age 2."?

Yeah...

BOOO! Tell me which one likes sausage or I'll cut ya

/opens switchblade

[Curlain]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

prazision wrote...

That's a really awkward picture. It looks like Merrill's breasts are sagging literally halfway down her torso.

Really?

My goodness.

See..... First they were too big. Now they are sagging and awkward.

You must have a pair yourself, since you seem to know how they work so well and what makes a pair passable for a fantasy videogame.

There's just no helping some people

Indeed, I certainly never thought I'd actually get into a debate with someone over the relative virtues of a fictional characters bust size, but there's a first time for everything 

[Cutlasskiwi]

prazision wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...
even if they were big,SO WHAT?
they're completley covered in a thick sweater material. Some girls have big boobs, dosen't make them sexsymbols or bimbos or w/e simply because of that reason.

People see C cups and go crazy like they've never seen one before.

Isabela's got D cups, minimum.  Miranda in Mass Effect has C cups.  You might know this if you'd ever been bra shopping with a girlfriend.

My point is that by having so many buxom wenches in Fantasy RPGs, it makes them look juvenile to the outside world - much like comic books.

It would be nice if the genre could be written, and taken, seriously instead of BOOBS SWORDS SEXY BLOOD HECK YEAH.

Don't make it sound like you're speaking for the whole world. Me and my friends, who have played DA:O and is following DA2, do not see it like this. And I'm pretty sure that there are a lot of other people out there who doesn't see it as juvenile.. 

So saying it makes them look juvenile to the outside world is just plain wrong. 

[Ryzaki]

...Merril chest looks fine. As does FemHawke (when she's not in underwear anyway). The same goes for Isabela and Bethany.

Breasts come in all sizes. I don't want an overemphasis on large breasts any more than I want one on small ones. Variety is the spice of life folks.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 février 2011 - 12:42 .

[prazision]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I am tired of having the Boob Police debate the size of Isabela and Merrill and even F!Hawke's rack.

Big. Deal. If they aren't attractive to you and its a make-or-break quality, don't romance them. But don't sit there and criticize it either. It insults a lot of ladies here who relate to those sizes and don't find the rack A) insulting or too fantastic.

I RELATE to Isabela's size. I'm a freaking Derby chick. I have a big rack and I have thick thighs and torso. I have to because I need the weight to KNOCK people OFF their FEET.

I don't CARE if its a game trope. Her body size is perfectly fine. She doesn't look like Bayonetta or Tifa Lockheart.

Bayonetta was a parody.

I'm sorry if it offends you so much that I'd like to see video games advance beyond the precedent set by Tomb Raider.  In that regard, Bayonetta actually was a very progressive game because it actively made fun of the whole "games are for lonely dorks who want to stare at boobs and explosions" conceit.

[Ninja Mage]

If I were straight I'd romance Isabela..she seems pretty cool

[My Avatar is a Lizard]

prazision wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

Ok bro, Mind Giving some examples of recent WFRPG's that make women every women Buxom?

the only notable recent Additions to the genre i can think of have been Oblivion, Witcher, Fable kinda, and Dragon age.

None of which i think have oversexualized women (although i haven't played witcher)

Ahahahahaha.  Witcher is by far the worst example.  By FAR.  So putting that on the list isn't helping matters.

Literally every woman in The Witcher wants to sleep with you.  Literally.

Because it's the only example,

If you think oblivion is oversexualized you need to go outside.

[badboy64]

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...

SerenityRebirth wrote...

badboy64 wrote...

Anders you better watch out. I am coming for you.<3

 
Agreed!

@badboy

90% chance of anders being the straight guy

But I am playing a female hawk so I can romance him as I only play female 99.9% of the time.

[thegoldfinch]

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I always assumed that whenever Zevran "hit on" a companion, he was just toying. He wanted to make them squirm. He was very confident in his sex appeal while the Fereldens of the group were far more conservative, comparatively. Provoking them was funny - like he did with Wynne's magical bosom.

I mean, the guy was very sensual but he wasn't some soulless boning machine. His arc was both sad and very well constructed.

[HolyJellyfish]

prazision wrote...

My Avatar is a Lizard wrote...
even if they were big,SO WHAT?
they're completley covered in a thick sweater material. Some girls have big boobs, dosen't make them sexsymbols or bimbos or w/e simply because of that reason.

People see C cups and go crazy like they've never seen one before.

Isabela's got D cups, minimum.  Miranda in Mass Effect has C cups.  You might know this if you'd ever been bra shopping with a girlfriend.

My point is that by having so many buxom wenches in Fantasy RPGs, it makes them look juvenile to the outside world - much like comic books.

It would be nice if the genre could be written, and taken, seriously instead of BOOBS SWORDS SEXY BLOOD HECK YEAH.

So you are saying a game's value completely depends on how the women look?

Nothing else?

Man... That there is pressure.

[Ryzaki]

pixieface wrote...

Maybe I'm just crazy, but I always assumed that whenever Zevran "hit on" a companion, he was just toying. He wanted to make them squirm. He was very confident in his sex appeal while the Fereldens of the group were far more conservative, comparatively. Provoking them was funny - like he did with Wynne's magical bosom.
I mean, the guy was very sensual but he wasn't some soulless boning machine. His arc was both sad and very well constructed.

True but he also had Taliesan as a lover. So yeah it was pretty obvious even without romancing him with a male warden that he played for both teams. 

[guitarmouse]

Ryzaki wrote...

...Merril chest looks fine. As does FemHawke (when she's not in underwear anyway). The same goes for Isabela and Bethany.

Breasts come in all sizes. I don't want an overemphasis on large breasts any more than I want one on small ones. Variety is the spice of life folks.  

  spice indeed

[prazision]

Shavon wrote...

Yup.  Definitely a dude.  You don't know anything about cup size, so stop trying.

Hm, yes, you're right, having had nearly two dozen girlfriends over the course of my life, with varying cup sizes, most of whom I ended up learning said size due to shopping with or for them clearly means I know less about cup size than a woman who has only ever bought bras for herself.

Also, how can you miss the point so hilariously?  I'm not obsessed with breasts, I'm annoyed that some video game creators apparently ARE, because it demeans the medium and gives fodder to those who wish to imply that video games are a lesser form of entertainment.

[mesmerizedish]

prazision wrote...

Isabela's got D cups, minimum.  Miranda in Mass Effect has C cups.  You might know this if you'd ever been bra shopping with a girlfriend.

My point is that by having so many buxom wenches in Fantasy RPGs, it makes them look juvenile to the outside world - much like comic books.

It would be nice if the genre could be written, and taken, seriously instead of BOOBS SWORDS SEXY BLOOD HECK YEAH.

Believe it or not, women are more than their breasts. Maybe you're unaware because that's all YOU see when you look at us, but believe me, Isabela's more that a pair of ****** on legs. I can take her plenty seriously, because she's a bad-ass mother****er. I can also enjoy looking at her chest, because breasts are fun to look at sometimes. But if YOU can't take her seriously because she has an above-average-but-by-no-means-unnatural bosom, then that, sir, is YOUR problem.