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[Maelora]

errant_knight wrote...
Why on earth would people make a game that 'no fan base in the world would accept'? That would be counter-productive as hell.

That was my point.

Sure hope they never read any Greek myths.  It might blow their tiny minds.  

[Shepard Lives]

Maelora wrote...

My point is that I don't have to like it if I feel BW treat me poorly.  They've told some of their fans what their LI's are, and not told others.  That, to me, is telling.  In the context of ME2, it's very telling.

It boils down to trusting Bioware when they said more than once that romances for all genders are in, or... not trusting them, I guess.

Modifié par Shepard Lives, 17 février 2011 - 08:39 .

[Skilled Seeker]

Its a video game. It isn't real. I wouldn't do incest but I don't see anything wrong or creepy with playing an incestual character in a video game. That character isn't me and the sister isn't real either, Bioware chose to make her the PC's sister.

[Gill Kaiser]

The Anders story I thought was the best written, and I enjoyed it.

Merrill's used a simplistic style that was clearly designed to evoke the character's own personality rather than the writer's, so I thought it was good too.

Fenris' story did have some jarring turns of phrase, as some people have already commented.

I don't have much to say about Isabela's. It was pretty much as I expected.

[Elsariel]

Maelora wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Why on earth would people make a game that 'no fan base in the world would accept'? That would be counter-productive as hell.

That was my point.

Sure hope they never read any Greek myths.  It might blow their tiny minds.  

Why do I get the feeling I'm being accused of having a small brain because I can't accept incest in my gaming experience? 

[Maelora]

If you want to trust them, SL, tha's perfectly fine.

For me, ME2 destroyed that trust. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

It just feels odd they didn't want to tell us about the s/s relationships. It says something to me about how they see me as a customer. My bad, but in the context of recent trends, it doesn't encourage me to trust them.

Were I a betting woman, I'd still bet the s/s is going to be a Kelly Chambers character, not a party member.

We shall see. Hope I'm wrong.

Modifié par Maelora, 17 février 2011 - 08:43 .

[Skilled Seeker]

So its wrong to be against homosexuality, mixed race romance etc. all of which were viewed as wrong in the uncivilised past, but its fine to be against incest when both partners are consenting and there are no children? I wonder how many years this will take...

[Maelora]

Elsariel wrote...
Why do I get the feeling I'm being accused of having a small brain because I can't accept incest in my gaming experience? 

That wasn't my intention, Elsariel. My apologies if it felt like I directed that at you.

But I find most forms of entertainment these days bland and dumbed-down.  Too much political correctness, too few risks taken. A lot of the old myths would offend people these days; that's just fact.

My point was that such relationships can have a classical, or forbidden element and aren't simply a case of 'prurience'. However, I believe that no game company will ever take that risk.

It's simply amusing to me that you can have a game where murdering children is cool and edgy, but kissing your sister is beyond the pale. Just a sign of the times, I guess.  Personally I don't fancy my brother

Modifié par Maelora, 17 février 2011 - 08:50 .

[errant_knight]

Elsariel wrote...

Maelora wrote...

errant_knight wrote...
Why on earth would people make a game that 'no fan base in the world would accept'? That would be counter-productive as hell.

That was my point.

Sure hope they never read any Greek myths.  It might blow their tiny minds.  

Why do I get the feeling I'm being accused of having a small brain because I can't accept incest in my gaming experience? 

What exactly is the point here? Everyone should be open to incest because ancient Greeks did it? No taboo is a good taboo? Incest is swell? What?
Edit: Okay, never mind. Saw your post above. Still, I don't get the 'violence is bad, so if that's allowed everything else should be repugnant to match' argument.

Modifié par errant_knight, 17 février 2011 - 08:52 .

[ReallyRue]

I've never understood the argument of 'but she's not my sister in real life' in regard to romancing Bethany and other sibling characters. It would be like saying it's fine for your best friend to get off with his sister, because it's not you with your sister.

[Sylvianus]

@Elsariel : Merrill is much more like a little sister than Bethany. ^^
And it's a romance. Me, it bothers me. We will see in the game if it seems more adult.

Otherwise, i love all short stories, thanks Bioware.

And i love Bethany too.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 17 février 2011 - 08:52 .

[Maelora]

Curlain wrote...
Allot of those stories tend to have rather tragic endings (goes with the relationship being truly forbidden and having consequences therefore).  I quite liked 'The Children of Hurin', though in that neither Turin nor Nienor knew they were siblings when they met (thanks to the evil fate upon their family, and the spell of Glurung the dragon), and when they found out (having got married and she was with child I think) Nienor cast herself off a high falls and Turin fell on his sword.

I agree. But that doesn't mean that the concept doesn't have literary merit.

Take the film 'Scarface' - Tony Montana can have any woman in the world... apart from the one he really wants, and that sets him up for his tragic fall.

I didn't want to turn this thread into a pro-incest rant, honestly.  I simply find it amusing that:

a) Bioware make the sister character a LOT more attractive than the other girls, likely messing with our minds (or Varric is, seeing as how he's narrating things)

lots of fans are cool with murdering kids but would never accept brother-sister love.  Funny morals there.

[JrayM16]

Maelora wrote...

Curlain wrote...
Allot of those stories tend to have rather tragic endings (goes with the relationship being truly forbidden and having consequences therefore).  I quite liked 'The Children of Hurin', though in that neither Turin nor Nienor knew they were siblings when they met (thanks to the evil fate upon their family, and the spell of Glurung the dragon), and when they found out (having got married and she was with child I think) Nienor cast herself off a high falls and Turin fell on his sword.

I agree. But that doesn't mean that the concept doesn't have literary merit.

Take the film 'Scarface' - Tony Montana can have any woman in the world... apart from the one he really wants, and that sets him up for his tragic fall.

I didn't want to turn this thread into a pro-incest rant, honestly.  I simply find it amusing that:

a) Bioware make the sister character a LOT more attractive than the other girls, likely messing with our minds (or Varric is, seeing as how he's narrating things)

lots of fans are cool with murdering kids but would never accept brother-sister love.  Funny morals there.

Meh.  I'm more against incest because of the genetic disorders it produces in children than any kind of moral thing.  It also has the tendency to lead to a family purity mindset.

[errant_knight]

Except that (a). Not everyone finds Bethany that attractive. I don't, myself. and (. who says murdering kids is good?

[Skilled Seeker]

ReallyRue wrote...

I've never understood the argument of 'but she's not my sister in real life' in regard to romancing Bethany and other sibling characters. It would be like saying it's fine for your best friend to get off with his sister, because it's not you with your sister.

Well yeah, that would be fine by me. Why does it matter to you what people get up to in their private lives? Who are we to pass judgement on others when their activity isn't harming anyone and brings them happiness? 

And if you think I'm trolling, I'm not. There is some serious hypocrisy in this thread.

Also stop flogging the 'genetic mutations' argument. I'm against incestual childbirth, but I'm not against incestual couples.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 17 février 2011 - 09:04 .

[Curlain]

Maelora wrote...



I agree. But that doesn't mean that the concept doesn't have literary merit.

Take the film 'Scarface' - Tony Montana can have any woman in the world... apart from the one he really wants, and that sets him up for his tragic fall.

I didn't want to turn this thread into a pro-incest rant, honestly.  I simply find it amusing that:

a) Bioware make the sister character a LOT more attractive than the other girls, likely messing with our minds (or Varric is, seeing as how he's narrating things)

lots of fans are cool with murdering kids but would never accept brother-sister love.  Funny morals there.

Ah I see your point, it could make a great film/story done right (but I personally couldn't role-play through it, possibly a limitation on me, but there it is).  Though I personally wouldn't really be cool with murdering kids ingame either, not something I could do either role-playing.  In terms of killing a sibling, there would have to be some seriously compling story and lead up to make me find that a situation I would be ok taking a PC into (even one of the more ruthless ones)

Modifié par Curlain, 17 février 2011 - 09:04 .

[The Elder King]

Maelora wrote...

I agree. But that doesn't mean that the concept doesn't have literary merit.

Take the film 'Scarface' - Tony Montana can have any woman in the world... apart from the one he really wants, and that sets him up for his tragic fall.

I didn't want to turn this thread into a pro-incest rant, honestly.  I simply find it amusing that:

a) Bioware make the sister character a LOT more attractive than the other girls, likely messing with our minds (or Varric is, seeing as how he's narrating things)

lots of fans are cool with murdering kids but would never accept brother-sister love.  Funny morals there.

a) The romance don't have to be the most beautiful character. Plus, someone could think that other companions are more becautiful than Bethany
b)I'm not cool with murdering kids, infact I never did this in my playthroughs. The same, I will not do a sister-brother romance. Though I'm not going to rage if Bioware will put one in the next games.

[Ryzaki]

I'm fine with consensual incest between two adults. Frankly I don't think that's any of anyone else's business. People just insist on being the morality police for some reason /shrugs

But I also respect the devs wishes not to write such a relationship.
As for killing kids some of those little bastards deserve it. *mutters about Fallouts money stealing little bastards* 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2011 - 09:02 .

[JrayM16]

Ryzaki wrote...

I'm fine with consensual incest between two adults. Frankly I don't think that's any of anyone else's business. People just insist on being the morality police for some reason /shrugs

But I also respect the devs wishes not to write such a relationship.
As for killing kids some of those little bastards deserve it. *mutters about Fallouts money stealing little bastards* 

If the sex doesn't produce children, then fine, that's cool, none of my business.  But children out of incest can have a lot of genetic disorders.  That's my opinion anyhow.

And some kids DO deserve it. 

[DivineSolid]

Rainbows and Unicorns will be in the background to this song when I romance Merrill. <3

Modifié par DivineSolid, 17 février 2011 - 09:06 .

[errant_knight]

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

I've never understood the argument of 'but she's not my sister in real life' in regard to romancing Bethany and other sibling characters. It would be like saying it's fine for your best friend to get off with his sister, because it's not you with your sister.

Well yeah, that would be fine by me. Why does it matter to you what people get up to in their private lives? Who are we to pass judgement on others when their activity isn't harming anyone and brings them happiness? 

And if you think I'm trolling, I'm not. There is some serious hypocrisy in this thread.

Also stop flogging the 'genetic mutations' argument. I'm against incestual childbirth, but I'm not against incestual couples.

*lifts eyebrow* Okay, then.

[Skilled Seeker]

I'm all for child killing as well. This is a mature game, Bioware shouldn't be afraid to cover mature themes. As long as it isn't crass and tasteless, I don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. Themes like this can add plenty of depth to a story.

[Skilled Seeker]

errant_knight wrote...

Skilled Seeker wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

I've never understood the argument of 'but she's not my sister in real life' in regard to romancing Bethany and other sibling characters. It would be like saying it's fine for your best friend to get off with his sister, because it's not you with your sister.

Well yeah, that would be fine by me. Why does it matter to you what people get up to in their private lives? Who are we to pass judgement on others when their activity isn't harming anyone and brings them happiness? 

And if you think I'm trolling, I'm not. There is some serious hypocrisy in this thread.

Also stop flogging the 'genetic mutations' argument. I'm against incestual childbirth, but I'm not against incestual couples.

*lifts eyebrow* Okay, then.

Tell me, why would YOU have a problem with it?

[errant_knight]

I think I'll forgo trying to explain why incest is both taboo and deeply creepy, as well as the damage it does to those involved. If I have to explain, I don't think there's much point.

[Skilled Seeker]

lolwut? Sounds to me like you have no reason. Bigoted person is bigoted. Again I point back to things like homosexuality or mixed race coupling that were also 'deeply damaging and creepy' only a short period of time ago.

Modifié par Skilled Seeker, 17 février 2011 - 09:16 .