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[Fenn_]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Priestly is evil.

So he may just be pulling our legs for the evil lulz.

I dunno... Mike Laidlaw (you handsome devil) totally made him his **** during the live stream. "Turn up the volume, Chris! The fans can't hear Lady Hawke!" *mutters* "Yes, master:("

Only two there are one Master and one apprentice.

[tenshi_no_hone]

I'm hoping that they're not all bi. For variety more than anything else!

I don't like the idea that for an increased number of romances depending on your gender that they would compromise their characters. It's more about getting to know the characters than being able to romance all of them. In DA2 I'm hoping to be disappointed by NOT being able to romance everyone as a man or as a woman. It's like life - if your orientations don't align, you've got to be ok with friendship.

I look forward to more friendships and less romances, because from a characterisation standpoint, they are often more rewarding!

[monstertrucks]

they probably aren't all bi since there's always a straight romance character in all Bioware games so far

[Sabariel]

monstertrucks wrote...

For some reason, I can't seem to remember merrill from da:o. Heck whatever. Anyway, Bioware seems to be pushing for Isabela to be the main character that Hawke is supposed to romance.

Merrill was a temporary companion in the Dalish elf origin.

[ECuyler]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

koshiee wrote...

that's hardly conclusive evidence.  I think you are just misinterpreting their words and/or putting too much meaning in to them. 

And you are free to think that. I think you're underestimating the craftiness of those Canadian rascals from Edmonton.

I think you're going out of your way to see what you want to see.

[monstertrucks]

Sabariel wrote...

monstertrucks wrote...

For some reason, I can't seem to remember merrill from da:o. Heck whatever. Anyway, Bioware seems to be pushing for Isabela to be the main character that Hawke is supposed to romance.

Merrill was a temporary companion in the Dalish elf origin.

Oh right. Thanks for clearing that up.

[mesmerizedish]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I'm hoping that they're not all bi. For variety more than anything else!
I don't like the idea that for an increased number of romances depending on your gender that they would compromise their characters. It's more about getting to know the characters than being able to romance all of them. In DA2 I'm hoping to be disappointed by NOT being able to romance everyone as a man or as a woman. It's like life - if your orientations don't align, you've got to be ok with friendship.
I look forward to more friendships and less romances, because from a characterisation standpoint, they are often more rewarding!

Sure, but no one's saying that you should be able to romance everyone else in the world. Just that those who ARE romanceable should be romanceable whether you want to play as Lady Hawke or Male Hawke (he needs a snazzier moniker).

[Inzhuna]

@ monstertrucks, Ok maybe I was a bit harsh, but I'm just so tired of people running in with the same stuff over and over again. Eww, gay sex. Eww, Isabela is a wh***. Eww, why are they so ugly, why is Bethany the only attractive female! >_<



On a positive note, ishmael, I am totally on board with you for this theory! If we wish hard enough, it will become true, Y/Y?

[MuseMajora]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I'm hoping that they're not all bi. For variety more than anything else!
I don't like the idea that for an increased number of romances depending on your gender that they would compromise their characters. It's more about getting to know the characters than being able to romance all of them. In DA2 I'm hoping to be disappointed by NOT being able to romance everyone as a man or as a woman. It's like life - if your orientations don't align, you've got to be ok with friendship.
I look forward to more friendships and less romances, because from a characterisation standpoint, they are often more rewarding!

I agree! I'm personally not a fan of the romance element, but I definitly don't think every character needs to be bi just for the sake of it. Orientation plays into your personality. Could you picture Oghren being bi? No, because it doesn't fit him.

Modifié par MuseMajora, 19 février 2011 - 01:48 .

[Sabariel]

MuseMajora wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I'm hoping that they're not all bi. For variety more than anything else!
I don't like the idea that for an increased number of romances depending on your gender that they would compromise their characters. It's more about getting to know the characters than being able to romance all of them. In DA2 I'm hoping to be disappointed by NOT being able to romance everyone as a man or as a woman. It's like life - if your orientations don't align, you've got to be ok with friendship.
I look forward to more friendships and less romances, because from a characterisation standpoint, they are often more rewarding!

I agree! I'm personally not a fan of the romance element, but I definitly don't think every character needs to be bi just for the sake of it. Orientation plays into your personality. Could you picture Oghren being bi? No, because it doesn't fit him.

I could, actually. Getting ideas from Branka and whatnot...

[Ryzaki]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Priestly is evil.

So he may just be pulling our legs for the evil lulz.

I dunno... Mike Laidlaw (you handsome devil) totally made him his **** during the live stream. "Turn up the volume, Chris! The fans can't hear Lady Hawke!" *mutters* "Yes, master:("

 

And really I wish we had some gay characters (not bi) then and only then will I understand the whole "individuality!" remarks. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 février 2011 - 01:51 .

[mesmerizedish]

ECuyler wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

koshiee wrote...

that's hardly conclusive evidence.  I think you are just misinterpreting their words and/or putting too much meaning in to them. 

And you are free to think that. I think you're underestimating the craftiness of those Canadian rascals from Edmonton.

I think you're going out of your way to see what you want to see.

I'd love to give you another "I think..." statement, but until we have some proof after-the-fact, we'd just be going in circles. I'll not try and convince you of anything, because on March eighth (or maybe the 22nd if it's in the demo files somewhere), all will be revealed, for better or for worse.

[HolyJellyfish]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I'm hoping that they're not all bi. For variety more than anything else!
I don't like the idea that for an increased number of romances depending on your gender that they would compromise their characters. It's more about getting to know the characters than being able to romance all of them. In DA2 I'm hoping to be disappointed by NOT being able to romance everyone as a man or as a woman. It's like life - if your orientations don't align, you've got to be ok with friendship.
I look forward to more friendships and less romances, because from a characterisation standpoint, they are often more rewarding!

And optional.

Its not likely anyone will be ninja manced since there is a clear flirting icon dialogue. If you don't want a romance and you want friendship, you don't have to enter it. But no one should prevent another player from entering that romance if they so choose to.

[HolyJellyfish]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I'd love to give you another "I think..." statement, but until we have some proof after-the-fact, we'd just be going in circles. I'll not try and convince you of anything, because on March eighth (or maybe the 22nd if it's in the demo files somewhere), all will be revealed, for better or for worse.

Or reviews. We need more reviews from the magazines, with clear indication that yes they are all optional.

[tenshi_no_hone]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I'm hoping that they're not all bi. For variety more than anything else!
I don't like the idea that for an increased number of romances depending on your gender that they would compromise their characters. It's more about getting to know the characters than being able to romance all of them. In DA2 I'm hoping to be disappointed by NOT being able to romance everyone as a man or as a woman. It's like life - if your orientations don't align, you've got to be ok with friendship.
I look forward to more friendships and less romances, because from a characterisation standpoint, they are often more rewarding!

Sure, but no one's saying that you should be able to romance everyone else in the world. Just that those who ARE romanceable should be romanceable whether you want to play as Lady Hawke or Male Hawke (he needs a snazzier moniker).

But part of the joy of choosing between playable sexes is that lots of things are different! Why should all romanceable characters be bi? It just takes some variety out of the characters that they write just for that. I've got nothing against having bi characters, I just appreciate having some heterosexual specific and maybe homosexual specific (long time since Juhani!) characters too. It's more interesting

[monstertrucks]

Inzhuna wrote...

@ monstertrucks, Ok maybe I was a bit harsh, but I'm just so tired of people running in with the same stuff over and over again. Eww, gay sex. Eww, Isabela is a wh***. Eww, why are they so ugly, why is Bethany the only attractive female! >_

On a positive note, ishmael, I am totally on board with you for this theory! If we wish hard enough, it will become true, Y/Y?

I understand your frustration. Haha. Seriously? I thought Isabela is more attractive than Bethany.

EVERYONE JUST NEEDS TO CALM DOWN, it's just a game. I bet it's gonna be fun no matter if everyone's bi or not.

[LiaraShepard]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

ECuyler wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

koshiee wrote...

that's hardly conclusive evidence.  I think you are just misinterpreting their words and/or putting too much meaning in to them. 

And you are free to think that. I think you're underestimating the craftiness of those Canadian rascals from Edmonton.

I think you're going out of your way to see what you want to see.

I'd love to give you another "I think..." statement, but until we have some proof after-the-fact, we'd just be going in circles. I'll not try and convince you of anything, because on March eighth (or maybe the 22nd if it's in the demo files somewhere), all will be revealed, for better or for worse.

hm, it could also mean that they are annoyed of getting asked these questions by people again and again, so that he actually said something like -just romance the character who fits best to you instead of asking permanently which character you can choose for both sexes-.

[mesmerizedish]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Or reviews. We need more reviews from the magazines, with clear indication that yes they are all optional.

Yes, perhaps a review from someone reputable enough not to talk about "boning" party members.

[Fenn_]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Or reviews. We need more reviews from the magazines, with clear indication that yes they are all optional.

Yes, perhaps a review from someone reputable enough not to talk about "boning" party members.

Well whatever the out come I hope we all get who we want.

[tenshi_no_hone]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

I'm hoping that they're not all bi. For variety more than anything else!
I don't like the idea that for an increased number of romances depending on your gender that they would compromise their characters. It's more about getting to know the characters than being able to romance all of them. In DA2 I'm hoping to be disappointed by NOT being able to romance everyone as a man or as a woman. It's like life - if your orientations don't align, you've got to be ok with friendship.
I look forward to more friendships and less romances, because from a characterisation standpoint, they are often more rewarding!

And optional.

Its not likely anyone will be ninja manced since there is a clear flirting icon dialogue. If you don't want a romance and you want friendship, you don't have to enter it. But no one should prevent another player from entering that romance if they so choose to.

Only one person should stop the player from entering into a relationship with a companion or any NPC - and that's the NPC themselves! If they are written as straight or gay as part of the person the writing team has crafted, then they should be able to act accordingly. I just think it adds to the realism and immersion factor!

[HolyJellyfish]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...
But part of the joy of choosing between playable sexes is that lots of things are different! Why should all romanceable characters be bi? It just takes some variety out of the characters that they write just for that. I've got nothing against having bi characters, I just appreciate having some heterosexual specific and maybe homosexual specific (long time since Juhani!) characters too. It's more interesting

Because a lot of gay players or people who prefer to play s/s get left out quite a lot. While there are more options available for bisexual & straight players, gay players almost certainly only get ONE option. An option that certainly does not encompass what they really want. There were SO many gay buddies of mine who felt defeated because they couldn't romance Alistair. And who could blame them? I certainly didn't like Zevran. A LOT of people didn't. Alistair was a dreamy prince. The gays got shafted in that department.

Regardless, RPG is still an RPG. In my game, Leliana is 100% lesbian with some experience with men because that was her job. Someone else might have considered her very bisexual, I personally did not. Because it was my game and that was how I perceived the RP experience.

[Valeria Cousland]

Can someone clarify something for me? Do we have to get them to High Friendship or High Rivalry in order to unlock the romance? Like how in DAO we had to have high approval?

[mesmerizedish]

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

But part of the joy of choosing between playable sexes is that lots of things are different! Why should all romanceable characters be bi? It just takes some variety out of the characters that they write just for that. I've got nothing against having bi characters, I just appreciate having some heterosexual specific and maybe homosexual specific (long time since Juhani!) characters too. It's more interesting

Granted, but think about this... you're one of the people who's just in love with Aveline. Sorry, she's not a romance. You're pretty bummed (as a lot of people were). Now, imagine that they said, "Sure, you can romance Aveline. You just can't do it the way you want to. You have to do it our way."

I'd imagine that a lot of people would say, "Hey! So, the guys get get some Aveline action, but we can't?"

I liken it to this: the fatigue system in Origins (hey, remember that?). You have to have some amount of strength to even put on the armor (just as the character has to be romanceable to begin with). But then, on top of that rather high requirement, it ALSO makes the stamina cost of your abilities go through the roof (just as you now have to pick a specific gender).

I think that one requirement is enough. If a character is romanceable by anyone, she should be romanceable by everyone. Less realism maybe, but better gameplay, and, most importantly, more rewarding gameplay for the player.

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 19 février 2011 - 01:59 .

[Maugrim]

There are probably one or two people on the boards who actually believe that characters should be whatever sexuality their story indicates but since I never, ever see them coming into a thread and starting arguing that someone should be exclusively gay...yeah not buying it.  Which means it's just a cover for their bigotry.  If I'm wrong .0000001% of the time then so be it I'll surivive .

[MuseMajora]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...
But part of the joy of choosing between playable sexes is that lots of things are different! Why should all romanceable characters be bi? It just takes some variety out of the characters that they write just for that. I've got nothing against having bi characters, I just appreciate having some heterosexual specific and maybe homosexual specific (long time since Juhani!) characters too. It's more interesting

Because a lot of gay players or people who prefer to play s/s get left out quite a lot. While there are more options available for bisexual & straight players, gay players almost certainly only get ONE option. An option that certainly does not encompass what they really want. There were SO many gay buddies of mine who felt defeated because they couldn't romance Alistair. And who could blame them? I certainly didn't like Zevran. A LOT of people didn't. Alistair was a dreamy prince. The gays got shafted in that department.

Regardless, RPG is still an RPG. In my game, Leliana is 100% lesbian with some experience with men because that was her job. Someone else might have considered her very bisexual, I personally did not. Because it was my game and that was how I perceived the RP experience.

But isn't that a very similiar argument as to why there aren't a whole lot of other races/ethnicity's in Dragon Age's setting? The majority of the characters are white because it's based off of middle aged Europe, and like in real life, the majority of people in the world prefer the opposite sex. 

You can only go so far when creating a fictional world.

Modifié par MuseMajora, 19 février 2011 - 02:02 .