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[Addai]

@errant: Uh yeah, whatever- I don't see anything impolite in challenging your logic. But if you'd rather just pick, we can leave it.

Modifié par Addai67, 16 février 2011 - 06:35 .

[errant_knight]

By all means, let's do.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Huh, by comparison I must sound very mean and rude, if what Addai said is impolite.

Eh, no wonder some can't stand me.

[OBakaSama]

Shame on the Anders theory then. *Sigh* Makes sense in my mind with him being a mage, and considering mage's bloodline and all that. Oh well.

As for what David Gaider wrote on the forums (late comer so I'm unsure of all details)...never trust the author; only trust the story.

[errant_knight]

We're going to find out about Wynne's son, at least. Apparently in the next book.

[SynGMW]

So my question still exists of who was it that Maric visited privately on his way to the Circle in The Calling?

[Addai]

SynGMW wrote...

So my question still exists of who was it that Maric visited privately on his way to the Circle in The Calling?

It's a good question, but for all we know that was just an opportunity for the author to show Fiona having a fit about him.

Or it was Flemeth. 

[erilben]

Didn't someone ask DG if we would get to see Fiona's son in the games and he said "maybe you already have"? You don't really think he was referring to some unimportant NPC, do you?

[OBakaSama]

At least that would fit with Fiona's wishes.

[Eshaye]

I've always been convinced that Alistair is Fiona's son. I read The Calling before playing Origins and it just clicked for me. Being a Grey Warden wasn't plan A for Alistair either. He should have stayed at the castle grounds and become militia or something. But because of the rumors of Eamon being his father, his presence became inconvenient, I blame icky Isolde, and so he was sent to the chantry for templar training.

But he was utterly miserable rather then leave him angry and depressed Duncan might have thought he'd serve as a Grey Warden instead and live a happier though shorter life. Well not like templar life is much better considering you end up mentally disabled through lyrium use anyway...



Really I don't think a 'normal' life would have been possible either way for Alistair, becoming king is maybe the best ending for him in the end even though it goes against his mother's wishes. Parents don't always know what is best for their children, though they think they do. Also about the secrecy of who the mother is, she's an elf. Letting out that he's Maric son can have it's advantages if something were to happen to Cailen, but there is no advantage for people to know Alistair has an elven heritage. Except maybe to the elves. O.o

What would the nobles do if they found this out? The more I think about it the more I think DA3 is about Ferelden's succession.. lol.

[aMytallica]

Eshaye wrote...

I've always been convinced that Alistair is Fiona's son. I read The Calling before playing Origins and it just clicked for me. Being a Grey Warden wasn't plan A for Alistair either. He should have stayed at the castle grounds and become militia or something. But because of the rumors of Eamon being his father, his presence became inconvenient, I blame icky Isolde, and so he was sent to the chantry for templar training.
But he was utterly miserable rather then leave him angry and depressed Duncan might have thought he'd serve as a Grey Warden instead and live a happier though shorter life. Well not like templar life is much better considering you end up mentally disabled through lyrium use anyway...

Really I don't think a 'normal' life would have been possible either way for Alistair, becoming king is maybe the best ending for him in the end even though it goes against his mother's wishes. Parents don't always know what is best for their children, though they think they do. Also about the secrecy of who the mother is, she's an elf. Letting out that he's Maric son can have it's advantages if something were to happen to Cailen, but there is no advantage for people to know Alistair has an elven heritage. Except maybe to the elves. O.o
What would the nobles do if they found this out? The more I think about it the more I think DA3 is about Ferelden's succession.. lol.

I'm inclined to agree with you. Was Alistair not finding out about his royal father apart of his mothers promise? Or was it just about her? Are her motivations about keeping the fact that she is an elf explained?

[Eshaye]

aMytallica wrote...
I'm inclined to agree with you. Was Alistair not finding out about his royal father apart of his mothers promise? Or was it just about her? Are her motivations about keeping the fact that she is an elf explained?

If I remember right I think Fiona also didn't want people to know he was Maric's because she didn't want him to be raised as nobility and be bound by responsibility. Maric expresses that he felt caged, actually he's downright depressed after Rowan dies and neglects Cailen until Fiona comes along and points out his son needs him. 

The Thereins really seem like they are only as strong as the women in their lives... Which is actually why I'm a fan of their line ending with Alistair. But that's another thread..

But back to the question Fiona says something like she doesn't want their son to grow up with the trappings of nobility or being part elvish. 

[Addai]

Re the Calenhad line ending, in an old thread David Gaider said it's not possible for all the Calenhads to die out, even if the Theirin direct descendants too. So if the writers want to bring it back, they can recruit third cousin Festus from the Bannorn to do so.

[ejoslin]

When you meet Oswyn, the noble's son, in the dungeon...

Warden: I am <FirstName/>, here for the rightful king Alistair.
Oswyn: Maric's bastard? Then I need not question why you're here, for your friend's claim to the throne is the greatest threat to Loghain's regime.

it seems that Oswyn knew immediately who Alistair was, just by name. There was no, "Alistair who?" or anything which would be the reaction if it were unknown.

Modifié par ejoslin, 17 février 2011 - 02:00 .

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Huh, by comparison I must sound very mean and rude, if what Addai said is impolite.
Eh, no wonder some can't stand me.

It's how things were said. Some ways come across as more scathing than others.

I raised a brow.

[Addai]

It was not scathing, it was befuddlement, hence the numerous ??'s. Now can we drop the drama? Holy crap.

[erilben]

ejoslin wrote...

When you meet Oswyn, the noble's son, in the dungeon...

Warden: I am , here for the rightful king Alistair.
Oswyn: Maric's bastard? Then I need not question why you're here, for your friend's claim to the throne is the greatest threat to Loghain's regime.

it seems that Oswyn knew immediately who Alistair was, just by name. There was no, "Alistair who?" or anything which would be the reaction if it were unknown.

But that's after Eamon has called the Landsmeet. Everyone would know of Alistair after that.

[ejoslin]

erilben wrote...

ejoslin wrote...

When you meet Oswyn, the noble's son, in the dungeon...

Warden: I am , here for the rightful king Alistair.
Oswyn: Maric's bastard? Then I need not question why you're here, for your friend's claim to the throne is the greatest threat to Loghain's regime.

it seems that Oswyn knew immediately who Alistair was, just by name. There was no, "Alistair who?" or anything which would be the reaction if it were unknown.

But that's after Eamon has called the Landsmeet. Everyone would know of Alistair after that.

He seemed to have been captured before Eamon called the landsmeet, however.

Edit: He may not have been.  Howe told him Eamon was dead and the landsmeet was called off -- so who knows.

Modifié par ejoslin, 17 février 2011 - 03:18 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

ejoslin wrote...
He seemed to have been captured before Eamon called the landsmeet, however.

Easy answer is bad writing.

But it's not impossible that he overheard Howe saying it. That's how he found out that a Landsmeet was supposed to happen.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 17 février 2011 - 03:20 .

[aMytallica]

Eshaye wrote...

aMytallica wrote...
I'm inclined to agree with you. Was Alistair not finding out about his royal father apart of his mothers promise? Or was it just about her? Are her motivations about keeping the fact that she is an elf explained?

If I remember right I think Fiona also didn't want people to know he was Maric's because she didn't want him to be raised as nobility and be bound by responsibility. Maric expresses that he felt caged, actually he's downright depressed after Rowan dies and neglects Cailen until Fiona comes along and points out his son needs him. 

The Thereins really seem like they are only as strong as the women in their lives... Which is actually why I'm a fan of their line ending with Alistair. But that's another thread..

But back to the question Fiona says something like she doesn't want their son to grow up with the trappings of nobility or being part elvish. 

That's interesting. A little sad too. Maybe then Alistair knowing about his father, but not his mother, comes back to Maric caring a lot more for Alistair then what is believed. Maric kept part of his promise, but wanted Alistair to know about him. Perhaps. Nice thought anyway.

[SynGMW]

What about Loghain talking about Alistair staying hidden so that Rowan wouldn't be hurt by her husband being unfaithful? Obviously Rowan is gone before Fiona comes in to the picture, which leads me back to the house Maric visits in The Calling and leaves Fiona's baby open to be someone else.

[Addai]

SynGMW wrote...

What about Loghain talking about Alistair staying hidden so that Rowan wouldn't be hurt by her husband being unfaithful? Obviously Rowan is gone before Fiona comes in to the picture, which leads me back to the house Maric visits in The Calling and leaves Fiona's baby open to be someone else.

The devs have put Alistair's age at 20ish, which means Loghain's dialogue cannot be taken literally.  I believe it's a holdover from when Alistair was originally intended to be early 30s (and, by my theory, the son of Katriel from The Stolen Throne).

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Addai67 wrote...

It was not scathing, it was befuddlement, hence the numerous ??'s. Now can we drop the drama? Holy crap.

*raises the other brow*

Sorry, couldn't help it.

Take a chill pill! All these multiple punctuation marks and exclamations are what's making things look dramatic.

Modifié par Shadow of Light Dragon, 17 février 2011 - 08:09 .