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[Quole]

Bluko wrote...


I hate to be a downer but I'm 90% sure this is going to be the case in ME3. There may be one or two returning squadmates, but that's just how these games work. ME2 was almost entirely all new characters, what makes you think ME3 will be different?

Because that would likely make ME2 completely and utterly pointless in the context of the story? Looking back, we really didnt accomplish that much in ME2 except getting a team and a new ship. It seems like it was just setting up the story for ME3.

Modifié par Quole, 16 février 2011 - 03:48 .

[Really Sad Panther]

Most of the deal breakers we probably wouldn't find out about until we play the game, endings companions etc. After all how many people are going to pre-order as soon as the collector edition is announced.

But if they put in MP, that would be a deal breaker.

[swenson]

Yeahhhh... very few things would actually be a deal-breaker for me, but there's plenty that I would get upset about.



If they included a MP component, I would be annoyed for fear it would take away from SP; if they focused on MP I might not get it. I am really, really not an MP person. Maybe co-op with a close friend, but not otherwise. I've never been able to get into MMOs at all (although I might make the effort for an ME one... just not if they turned ME3 into one!)



I would be extremely upset (but would likely still buy the game) if I found out Tali and Garrus were not going to be included as squadmates, doubly so if they only played minor roles (like Kaidan/Ashley in ME2). I would also be upset if the ME1 LI (or ME2 LI, for that matter) was minimalized again. Shepard dying would depress me, but I might be able to forgive it if it was still good.



No, I know what the *real* deal-breaker would be... if I don't get to punch either the turian councilor or TIM in the face by the end!

[Bluko]

Quole wrote...

Bluko wrote...


I hate to be a downer but I'm 90% sure this is going to be the case in ME3. There may be one or two returning squadmates, but that's just how these games work. ME2 was almost entirely all new characters, what makes you think ME3 will be different?

Because that would likely make ME2 completely and utterly pointless in the context of the story? Looking back, we really didnt accomplish that much in ME2 except getting a team and a new ship. It seems like it was just setting up the story for ME3.

Not really. You recruited those people solely to help you fight the Collectors and go on a Suicide Mission. None of those characters made any lifelong commitments to always serve under you and help you fight the Reapers. Also it's clear that for many of them this is sort of their one time deal with Shepard.

Mordin is old, probably would like to retire. Zaeed has planned to retire. Thane is dying and likely wants to console with his son more. Jack (unless romanced) doesn't seem interested in sticking around with Shepard. She seems like she would rather want to lead some kind of pirate gang. Samara is a Justicar sworn only to help Shepard for so long, true she says she'll help you in the future if you're Paragon, but that doesn't to me suggest she's going to be a crew member. Also considering you could also have Morinth instead it's far more likely niether will stick around. Grunt just likes fighting and I'm sure he'd rather join up with his people to learn more of the Krogan ways. Kasumi was hired just for this mission and has no reason to stick around.

Tali was either exiled or forgiven. If exiled she's probably not real happy with Shepard no more. If forgiven she'll likely feel a need to go back and help her fleet prepare for the Reaper. Garrus apparently has a number of family issues to deal with and I think he ultimately wants to be a Spectre himself. Miranda and Jacob are a little harder to write off since they really have no where else to go. It seems Miranda and Jacob are more loyal to Shepard then Cerberus. But perhaps Miranda will have to protect her sister or deal with her father. Jacob I dunno, I get the feeling he'll end up rejoining the Alliance. Legion is the hardest character to wrtie off since he's literally a Shepard fanboy. Though if I had to guess Legion likely needs to go back to commune with his people having been relatively isolated from them.

Also it is possible to totally ignore both Grunt and Legion (sell them to Cerberus) as well. Which I get the feeling will be the default choices for ME3  instead.

[MSparkyPants]

Also, if the only way to fully Paragon the story would be to sacrifice Shep in the end "for the greater good". ...Dislike.

[Sandbox47]

Well... assuming that I have no idea what's in the game yet the it would be enough to see "Multiplayer" on the back of the cover for me not to want to buy it. Ever. I don't like multiplayer games, I don't know why.

If I do know what the game is like and say that multiplayer doesn't f**k it up then it's enough to see Normandy, Tali, Joker, Garrus or romance removed from the game for me not to want it any more. BioWare are walking a fine line here. But I know that they can keep the balance. They are too great to fail.

[Rune-Chan]

Bluko wrote...



Tali was either exiled or forgiven. If exiled she's probably not real happy with Shepard no more. If forgiven she'll likely feel a need to go back and help her fleet prepare for the Reaper.

No, she asks you to not give evidence in her trial so she doesn't get her father implicated. The only way to save her from exile is by yelling at the admirals so they conveniently forget that they don't actually have any evidence to convict her with. If she is exiled she is still loyal as she expected to be exiled when she asked you not to give evidence.

A loyal Tali is much more likely to want to stick with the one man/woman who stood by her than her supposed family who all but betrayed her by putting her on trial just so they can have a debate about declaring war on the geth.

Bluko wrote...
Garrus apparently has a number of family issues to deal with and I think he ultimately wants to be a Spectre himself.

Garrus has said he is with Shepard until the end. He also said he tried to be a Spectre in between the events of Mass Effect 1 and 2 and failed.

Bluko wrote...Miranda and Jacob are a little harder to write off since they really have no where else to go. It seems Miranda and Jacob are more loyal to Shepard then Cerberus. But perhaps Miranda will have to protect her sister or deal with her father. Jacob I dunno, I get the feeling he'll end up rejoining the Alliance.

Miranda isn't going to suddenly ignore the threat of all intelligent life in the galaxy being extinct just so they can babysit her sister or get petty revenge on her father, if she wanted to do that she would have done so before the Lazarus Project and the Reapers became a threat.

Why would Jacob rejoin the Alliance, when he quit because they weren't doing anything to stop the Reapers? They still aren't, he has no reason whatsoever to do so.

I do agree with the rest of the characters though.

Modifié par Machines Are Us, 16 février 2011 - 09:37 .

[CannotCompute]

Too many new squadmates, multiplayer and too much style > substance.

[Chuvvy]

ME1 and ME2 choices being irrelevant.
Squadmember Cameos.
85% of the game spent recruiting and gaining loyalty.
Squadmembers being place holders for one another a la Kaiden/Ash in ME2.
Assuming the player didn't play ME2 or ME1. Even though I know at this point ME1 is irrelevant because of the PS3 release and that annoys the **** out of me.

These are just deal breakers other stuff like multiplayer or black and white choices would annoy me but I'd still buy it. And if one of these is true I'll likely still get it put if majority of them are, not worth my money.

Modifié par Slidell505, 16 février 2011 - 01:11 .

[StokedUp]

-Having a completely new set of squad mates and forgeting about or killing off the original crew.

-A multiplayer focus that affects the single player experience.

Or if Bioware decided that they wanted to take mass effect down the same road as The Call of duty franchise!!!! Booooy do I HATE that franchise with a passion, the most overhyped, oversold game there is (obviously this won't happen because bioware know-how to make games).

[Ahriman]

Bluko wrote...
Not really. You recruited those people solely to help you fight the Collectors and go on a Suicide Mission. None of those characters made any lifelong commitments to always serve under you and help you fight the Reapers. Also it's clear that for many of them this is sort of their one time deal with Shepard.

Honestly Suicide mission is just an excuse. As it was said many times, characters are story and you recruit them to see this story, that simple. No need in searching for deep reason.

[Brako Von Shepard]

The only deal breaker for me is a multiplayer addition.



All it would is cut down the 1 player story, as well as offer poor game modes.

[Quole]

Bluko wrote...






Not really. You recruited those people solely to help you fight the Collectors and go on a Suicide Mission. None of those characters made any lifelong commitments to always serve under you and help you fight the Reapers. Also it's clear that for many of them this is sort of their one time deal with Shepard.

Yes, a suicide mission which meant virtually nothing to the overall story. By the end of ME2 you are in the exact same position you left off at the end of ME1. With the exception of having a new ship and crew. Get what I`m saying here?

[meh_cd]

The only complete dealbreaker would be ME3 being a MMORPG, which isn't going to happen. Even if it gets panned by the critics, I will still buy it and play it to finish out the trilogy.



When I found out what was becoming of KOTOR I was bummed out. Not everyone wants to spend hours online farming/getting XP/dealing with a bunch of teenagers. Maybe we'll get a "true" KOTOR 3 someday.

[Icinix]

Reaper threat doesn't end with the end of ME3.

Search for some super weapon.

A prophecy and Shep is the key.

All choices from the previous two games amount to cameos and emails.



These are the only four things that would make me look at ME3 and then go and spend my money on something else.

[Seaba]

Sajuro wrote...

If Bioware comes to my house and slaughters my whole family during Easter dinner, that would make me wait for bargain bin.

If Bioware did that....I'd just wait a week (maybe less) before buying ME3. 

[element eater]

what will make or break this game for me is how they deal with companions from previous games I'll be pretty annoyed if like mass effect 2 I just have to accept that some off my favourite characters are sidelined only to feature in tiny cameos. I doubt they'll make the same mistake again though

[sarahN7]

-Sudden uber injection of religion

-No returning squadmates



That's about it.

[Therefore_I_Am]

Icinix wrote...

Reaper threat doesn't end with the end of ME3.
Search for some super weapon.
A prophecy and Shep is the key.
All choices from the previous two games amount to cameos and emails.

These are the only four things that would make me look at ME3 and then go and spend my money on something else.

What would you suggest for a nice ME3 plot? Just giving some brainstorm incentive.

[Volus Warlord]

What would make ME3 suck:



1.) Gameplay quality sacrificed for LIs (I DON'T WANT AN INTERACTIVE PORNO!)



2.) Cliffhanger ending for Sheperd (the galaxy will still have conflict, but Sheppy's story should be finished in one way or another)



3.) Meaningless time dumpster mechanics such as mineral mining



4.) Major factions (i.e. Cerberus) having minimal meaning/influence



5.) Too heavy political undertone



6.) No new, innovative gameplay elements/refinements (ME3 should not play like a long DLC)



7.) Lack of Volus Domination

[Abispa]

Deal-breakers for me wound be:

1) Having to recruit an all-new team, though new members are always welcome. I'm interested if there are "fill-in" characters like Wreav. You know, a fill-in Turian sharpshooter, a close friends of Tali, etc., that will be inserted into the game if certain characters died.

2) An overblown ending with a lot of cool special effects that leaves a vague ending, like Final Fantasy VII (The Reapers explode, dark energy flows freely around the Earth in a bizarre display, emotional music plays as children of different species look to the sky, and... THE END. Maybe Shepard lived, or maybe not, but what's important is that Earth is save and humans can hold hands with aliens).

3) A "weellllll maybeeee this ISN'T the laasst game that Shepard will be in" kind of ending.

4) And the Reapers are DESTROYED! Yay! Or are they...

5) Everyone in the squad is holding hands in the end. I'd like to see some meaningful choices at the end the game, Miranda or Jack (we never saw their promised death match), Anderson or TIM (Alliance or Cerberus), Geth or Quarians. I'm not saying it shouldn't be possible for Shepard to resolve conflicts within his/her allies, I just want characters to remain consistent and be upset if Shep doesn't side with them fully.

[knightnblu]

"5) There isn't an absolutely awesome reward for staying loyal to your ME LI"



That!

[StowyMcStowstow]

Anything that is contrived or stupid, i.e. the "lets leave for a while so the ship can get raided."



I'm buying the collectors edition of ME3, so they better not gyp me. God HELP them if they gyp me.

[Ragnarok521]

 1) A cheap resolution to the Reaper conflict. I really don't want two games of buildup to lead to some magic weapon or something like that that could destroy a Reaper in one hit.
2) More Council stupidity. I can interpret ME2 as them just acting dumb only because Shepard is with Cerberus. I'm hoping they're not really that foolish.
3) Earth being the main focus of the game. I want the galaxy to be the main focus, not planet Earth. Earth's always in danger of something, I want to see the Reapers proving themselves a viable threat to the galaxy.
4) More railroading. This is less likely to happen this time around however, as the devs themselves have said that since this is the last of the trilogy they can be a bit more liberal with the plot paths.
5) A "Your LI or your homeworld" decision. Please no.
6) Loading screens, obvious reasons.
7)Mining. What the hell Cerberus, give me some proper funding.

"Shut up and give me back my money!"

[Inquisitor Recon]

Really bad writing (i.e. reapers just want to be loved)

Wrex replaced by creepy comic version of Wrex

Crappy elements from books or comics (i.e. TIM is now Jack)

ME1 doesn't matter anymore thanks to the PS3 version

Shepard forced to sacrifice himself in cheesy ending

Normandy destroyed at the the start a second time

Shepard dies but doesn't really die in order to move the plot forward 2 years again