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[Bourne Endeavor]

BobSmith101 wrote...

FFXIV is an MMPORG different fanbase to the other FF's. Not really a suprise at all. I can't say I cared much for XIII myself either, but it apparently did well enough to warrant an X-2 type sequel. I was not suggesting ME3 go multiplayer. Rather I was suggesting that any concesions would be better in favour of the general market as opposed to the more "vocal" fans.

I own every FF game , except the MMPORGs. Not saying I'm typical , but thats just my example.

Correct, although were Mass Effect 3 to entertaining some of the dissatisfaction posted in this thread. It would equate to targeting a different fanbase; multiplayer being the primary example. Such a component is not intended for the benefit of the RPG gene but an attempt to capitalize on Call of Duty's success. That was what I was insinuating when I quoted the person I did.

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Did they not say they wouldn't include multiplayer in ME3? I couldve sworn some dev said there wouldn't be... unless my memory is playing tricks.

Pacifien posted, claiming Mass Effect is and shall remain a single player series. This was in response to what had been the reaction to multiplayer discussions prior to ME2's release. Apparently, it was a misunderstanding on her and Chris' part and BioWare remains quiet about MP.

[AkiKishi]

Therefore_I_Am wrote...
Don't moderators on major game forums have somewhat of a connection to developers? Especially if that forum belongs to the company itself?

Only if they have a company tag.Otherwise it's just a regular forum member who's been deputised.
It does let you chat to the devs a bit more though in most cases. But it's rarely anything unknown and even if it is , you can't share it.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Correct, although were Mass Effect 3 to entertaining some of the dissatisfaction posted in this thread. It would equate to targeting a different fanbase; multiplayer being the primary example. Such a component is not intended for the benefit of the RPG gene but an attempt to capitalize on Call of Duty's success. That was what I was insinuating when I quoted the person I did.
 

I think that it's a real long shot for ME3 for a number of reasons,but you would be taking a risk to bet aganst ME4 being multi-player.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 18 février 2011 - 02:51 .

[Marta Rio]

CaptainZaysh wrote...
You guys would have an easier time convincing me night were day than convincing me you are not going to buy ME3 even if it turns out to be a FPS featuring Marcus Fenix and Soap McTavish as squadmates. YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BUY IT. I know it, you know it, Bioware knows it.  This whole thread is an empty threat.

Eh, it's not really a threat so much as a hypothetical, at least as far as the "I won't play ME3 if...." part of it's concerned.  The reason I started the thread was because I saw a number of people threatening to do just that in other threads, and was curious what the threshold would be for most forumites. 

But realistically, most people are going to play the game, it's just a matter of when.  I think there are a number of people on here who would rent it or wait to buy it used if there were major things in the game that they found objectionable.  At least that's the impression that I get.

Not like it matters at this point though.  I'm sure Bioware has made the major design choices for ME3 already and are just working out the details.  So I guess this thread is really just a guide for what Bioware should and should not include in their marketing materials if they want to ensure the maximum number of day one purchases. 

[Filthy Beast]

Deal Breaker :



Trying to cut costs they swap voice tallents



FemShep - Snookie

MaleShep - The Situation

[landis963]

I really don't care whether multiplayer is included, as I will probably ignore it. However, dealbreakers for me include:



*Contrived conflict generators and railroading such as a certain "can of sardines" before the suicide mission. You're better than this Bioware, come on.



*Marginalized or ignored living squad members. Again, see above.



*Making planet exploration boring/frustrating. It happened with the Mako, it happened with Planet Scanning, please don't let it happen again.



Just my $0.02

[Destroy Raiden_]

Reasons not to buy if:
They multiplayer it
Most of the crew has been reduced to cameos or one second roles.
Garrus and Tali aren't on my crew
I find out the reapers are the good guys
If we get a good reaper who helps us
if we get a somehow survived billions of years good prothean who helps us
ME and ME2 choices consequences and benefits are reduced to emails and discounts.
If I import my shep and my LI isn't my LI or they're cameo'd or they have amnesia.


Things I'll just hate if they have it in there
planet scanner
ME2 style love scenes
ME and ME 2 choices reduced to emails
if Garrus and/or Tali are suddenly turned into s/s interest (ruins chara they've already been established sense ME what they prefer)
Not being able to see, be on, go back to, and explore homeworlds
not being able to help Garrus with his family

Things I'll hate them for if they don't include
mako w/ better thrusters, antirollover, faster cannon reload, and keep those shields and the ability to run over colossi!
Me style love scenes
At somepoint Liara figuring out Eternity bartender is her 2nd mom/dad?
The ability to go to Palvin and help Garrus's family and meet his relatives
face of steel reporter finally being exposed as the shaddy girl she is
Please get some deep moving character development for shep
Please please have mshep do inflection and feeling in his voice! He started this in SB keep going!

New features they may want to consider
squad banter in combat
squad banter if you run around location for x amount of minets so squad members will talk more then once every three hours to one another
a new squadmember who is either s/s or bi sense they will not be established in their preferences
the ability to pick your xo from Garrus, Miranda, or Jacob

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 18 février 2011 - 05:07 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

^

And I thought I was demanding.

[pprrff]

I want the story to just end. I will be seriously pissed off the trilogy ended in some sequel hook of a ending.

[Jackal904]

Sajuro wrote...

If Bioware comes to my house and slaughters my whole family during Easter dinner, that would make me wait for bargain bin.

Lol .

I can't think of anything that would prevent me from buying ME3, because even if BioWare were to change a bunch of stuff (multiplayer focus, all new squadmates, etc.) I would still want to get the game and see what it's like first-hand. Also I've waited this long and come this far, I might as well get ME3 even if it turns out to be not as good as the previous ME titles.

[JamieCOTC]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Therefore_I_Am wrote...

Did they not say they wouldn't include multiplayer in ME3? I couldve sworn some dev said there wouldn't be... unless my memory is playing tricks.

They did; however, it was a moderator who said so, not a BioWare developer/employee. Therefore, we can't take that for granted.

Don't moderators on major game forums have somewhat of a connection to developers? Especially if that forum belongs to the company itself?

They certainly do, but we still can't say anything for sure unless BioWare officials give us their word.

Actually a BW dev retracted the Mod's staement saying that it was not a their policy to comment on rumors.
The multiplayer rumor is the only thing stopping me from preordering the game and as sad as I'll be not to see the end, that is the only dealbreaker for me. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 18 février 2011 - 06:36 .

[Icinix]

Another dealbreaker -



If that little snippet floating around is accurate "Launch one final mission to take back Earth.."



If that's how the ME trilogy closes...with only a singular assault by the Reapers on Earth...I will lose my brown goop.

[Big stupid jellyfish]

My dealbreakers would be -

- ME2 squaddies are disregarded and we have a whole new team

- the game is all about saving Earth

As for the 'YOU'RE STILL GOIN' TO BUY IT' thing - I hate to say it, but there are torrentz for when you wanna kill 40+ hours and see some potentially enjoyable stuff while not respecting the game enough to actually buy it. So.

[Da_Lion_Man]

MJRick wrote...

If it somehow turns into a jrpg

I think ME is already a lot like a JRPG... Linear approach aside from some decision making, lots of cutscenes, eccentric characters, not a lot of exploration, over-the-top and unrealistic...

just to clarify, I don't think that's a bad thing.

Modifié par Da_Lion_Man, 18 février 2011 - 09:50 .

[Abispa]

Oh, here's a real deal-breaker:

XBox 720 or Playstation 4 exclusive.

[Terror_K]

If it looks like ME3 is slipping even more away from RPG territory and into shallow TPS land. Also if it slips even more away from "classic sci-fi homage" and into "modern Hollywood action blockbuster" territory.

The main one would be if ME3 ended up using "Games for Windows LIVE" suddenly. That's pretty much an automatic no-buy for me right there unless the game looks absolutely sensational.

Beyond that it would probably come down more to a lot of combined factors adding up. Enough annoying niggles and I'll turn the other way, or at the very least wait for it to become dirt cheap. If it's not looking good close to release, I may even hold off until I've heard what other like-minded players have to say. The only thing that may keep me is if the Limited Collectors Edition of it is awesome enough to warrant a day 1 purchase just so I don't miss out (although that said, I can still easily find a CE of ME2 more than a year later, so...).

[Notho]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Major:
Multiplayer that detracts from the SP experience.
Whole new bunch of squaddies I have to go out and recruit, and gain their loyalty.
Lazarus Project Mk 2
Normandy SR-3
Interactive space combat that ignores the laws of physics (ie Star Wars/Star Trek style)

Pretty much this for me as well.

[Asch Lavigne]

I wonder when some people think multiplayer all they want are some maps to make their Shep fight other Sheps. Lame.

I agree that I don't see how they could do multiplayer with it being Shep's story. What is my girlfriend going to be controlling one of my squadmates in combat only? Even lamer. The only positive thing that would achieve is that my girlfriend could not play them any worse than the AI.

Modifié par Asch Lavigne, 19 février 2011 - 03:40 .

[Merlin 47]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Major:
Multiplayer that detracts from the SP experience.
Whole new bunch of squaddies I have to go out and recruit, and gain their loyalty.
Lazarus Project Mk 2
Normandy SR-3

^These, plus the following:

Being "forced" to still work with Cerberus
Shepard being sacrificed in the end regardless
Squadmates being sacrificed regardless of your choices
The return of the Mako
The loss of Thermal Clips
The Inventory System

...Just to name a few.....

Modifié par Merlin 47, 19 février 2011 - 03:50 .

[Serafym00]

No option to knock out reporter

[Bann Duncan]

Terror_K wrote...

If it looks like ME3 is slipping even more away from RPG territory and into shallow TPS land. Also if it slips even more away from "classic sci-fi homage" and into "modern Hollywood action blockbuster" territory.

The main one would be if ME3 ended up using "Games for Windows LIVE" suddenly. That's pretty much an automatic no-buy for me right there unless the game looks absolutely sensational.

Side note: BioWare is enough reason to get a game, so obviously this would not effect Mass Effect/Dragon Age et cetera for me, but I love GFWL and I would see it as a bonus.

For me, there are basically no dealbreakers. It might annoy me a bit if they fanservice the hell out of characters and retcon them for such, like they did for Tali, but even so I'm confident the game would otherwise be amazing.

[spernus]

No real dealbreaker for me,as I am sure the game will be fantastic.I might of been worried if not for the last 2 DLC which give me confidence that ME3 will have improved the gameplay and a better balance of shooting,exploring planets with a vehicle and talking.I also read that they will add more rpg mechanics,so perhaps we can expect mods or more armors/weapons?

[AkiKishi]

Da_Lion_Man wrote...

I think ME is already a lot like a JRPG... Linear approach aside from some decision making, lots of cutscenes, eccentric characters, not a lot of exploration, over-the-top and unrealistic...

just to clarify, I don't think that's a bad thing.

ME is like the offspring of a JRPG and a traditional RPG like IceWind Dale.

I think JRPGs have better drama and pacing, because they don't play out in stuttered scenes. Also one line makes for easier plotting. They do tend to have tons of endings,and not be entirely linear once you pass a certain point.

Star Ocean is about the closest thing to ME that I can think of. Star Ocean 3 is on the 360 and PS3 (not sure about PC) and well worth a look for anyone who likes more action in combat. Been out ages now so should be cheap too.

ME allows you limited control over the character, most JRPGs do not, they are more of a movie experience,less characrter interaction under your direction although there are exceptions.

(applogies to poster I just went into explanation mode without thinking)

[White_Buffalo94]

Like most said, having to re-recruit an even BETTER team than I recruited that TIM said are the best.

Newer Normandy, I didn't spend 100k+ resources to build a new one

Not being the space epic it is meant to be. This means I want to be able to choose Geth/Quarian; Genophage cure, no cure; etc. Otherwise there would have been very little point in telling us all about it...

[armass]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Omnicrat wrote...

Machines Are Us wrote...

I should probably point out that I will get this game regardless as I want to complete the trilogy, I also plan to stay the hell away from these forums when the game draws near to avoid spoilers.

However, things that may make me wait until it's cheap, buy second hand or rent:

- Making ME1 and ME2 choices seem overall irrelevant.
- Making another race that is similar to the Reapers but are good and fighting against them.
- Making all the characters from ME1 and 2 who can die only have cameo/email roles.
- Making all the characters from ME1 and 2 squad members, but interchangeable (like Kaidan/Ash in ME2).
- Having the game centered around Earth/Humanity.

...um...99% Bioware said from the begining that the Mass Effect series was the epic tale of Shepard/Humanity...

I mean that as long as  the entire game isn't about:
"OMGZ da Reapers are invading da Earth!"
"Yes, they are also invading Thessia, Illium, Tuchanka..."
"Who cares? HUMANITY is at stake!"

In Mass Effect 1 you were not stopping Sovereign, Saren and the geth for humanities sake, you were doing it for all intelligent life in the galaxy, you could even choose to save other races and sacrifice humans doing it.

In Mass Effect 2 this threat seems scaled down because only humans seem to be the target, with a BS reason such as "Humans killed a Reaper so they see humans as a threat".

If Mass Effect 3 ends up about Earth being some special place (like Halo 3) and humans being the arch-nemesis of the Reapers then it's just gone down in scale even more.

The game needs to be about Shepard, humans and everyone else fighting the Reapers. Making humans special for whatever reason is a tired and overused cliche.

I agree with you 100%