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[mesmerizedish]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope we can side with the Chantry and the Templars in DA II. Mages are simply too dangerous to live.

Whenever you say "Mages suck" I hope you're joking so I can keep loving you.

Too much?

[AustinKain]

If anything history should let everyone know that when you try to confine Mages to a tower bad things are going to happen.



Unless you allow themselves the govern internally. Tower of High Scorcery(D&D) has proven that mages look after thier own and should be left to thier own devices.



Remember: You are squishy under that armor that is a great conductor for my chain lightining.

[Rockworm503]

I would love it if we can destroy the chantry and put our middle fingers up at the Maker that would make me happy.

[HolyJellyfish]

I personally believe there needs to be a definite shift in the status quo. For all we know, the Chantry could be safeguarding important information about how Mages can protect themselves against becoming an abomination and therefor they would lose the power to police society from the enemy - Mages. I'm still under the impression that the Chantry are like a fantasy version of 1984's Oceania.

[atheelogos]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope we can side with the Chantry and the Templars in DA II. Mages are simply too dangerous to live.

worst person ever.

[LobselVith8]

October Sixth wrote...

oh my god you racist I hope we can kill all templars and all you racist slavers who oppress the mages who are people too and they deserve the natural human rights for being human just think that the Chantry is an evil organization that just uses propaganda but there is no social footprint of danger from mages in Rivain and Haven and Dales and what about D'Sim's also mages are the best counter to other mages and abominations

I guess in leui of an actual argument you decided to be condescending to people you disagree with?

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I wouldn't go so far as to say they all should be killed, but pre-emptive supervisory imprisonment in barracks with a collegiate atmosphere under the watch of the Templars - essentially the status quo - is something I wouldn't have a problem maintaining.

A college atmosphere? You're kidding, right? I don't think people risk their lives running away or starting revolutions because it's basically a "collegiate atmosphere."

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Simply removing the mechanism by which the fearful mundane populace is separated from the mages is a bad idea that might have devastating long term consequences.

Arguments have been made that the fearful atmosphere is caused by the Chantry's views on mages, given the differences between how the Andrastian societies treat their mages and the more mage tolerant societies of Rivain, the Dalish, and the Chasind.

[redneck nosferatu]

So Desire "Spirits", who slowly consume their hosts, should have rights, because they're "misunderstood"; but mages, who have no choice in being born with magical talent, yet are able to use their powers to do good for society, should all be slaughtered.



Gotta love OP's "logic".

[duckphone07]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I personally believe there needs to be a definite shift in the status quo. For all we know, the Chantry could be safeguarding important information about how Mages can protect themselves against becoming an abomination and therefor they would lose the power to police society from the enemy - Mages. I'm still under the impression that the Chantry are like a fantasy version of 1984's Oceania.

Yes this.  Mages can be very dangerous, but it can be foolhardy to think that just because someone defends people from danger, then that someone has honorable intentions.  That being said, I assume this thread was made lightheartedly.  So, I should end with a joke to continue the lightheartedness.

.......

Uhhhhh......nevermind.  I am terrible at making jokes.

[HolyJellyfish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Simply removing the mechanism by which the fearful mundane populace is separated from the mages is a bad idea that might have devastating long term consequences.

Sounds like 1984 man. Just like it. The chantry's just doing for everyone's good, and everyone is afraid of mages. Anyone who hides a mage can be prosecuted. People are forced to out Mages, even if they maybe close friends, family members, loved ones, for the good of the state...

.... 1984.

[October Sixth]

LobselVith8 wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

oh my god you racist I hope we can kill all templars and all you racist slavers who oppress the mages who are people too and they deserve the natural human rights for being human just think that the Chantry is an evil organization that just uses propaganda but there is no social footprint of danger from mages in Rivain and Haven and Dales and what about D'Sim's also mages are the best counter to other mages and abominations

I guess in leui of an actual argument you decided to be condescending to people you disagree with?

in lieu

And I decided to do your work for you, you're going to say the same thing endlessly anyway so I saved you the time

[ThatDancingTurian]

Icinix wrote...

I hope I can side with me and ignore the whole debacle....

But seriously...why is it all black and white....why do we have to choose one or the other....

There has to be a better third option... THERE HAS TO BE!!!


..doesn't there?

Pro-Darkspawn.

[Reaverwind]

redneck nosferatu wrote...

So Desire "Spirits", who slowly consume their hosts, should have rights, because they're "misunderstood"; but mages, who have no choice in being born with magical talent, yet are able to use their powers to do good for society, should all be slaughtered.

Gotta love OP's "logic".

Yup. Those mages are showing a deplorable and dangerous lack of cooperation with Spirits of Desire, who only want to have fun and show everyone a good time.

[mesmerizedish]

Filament wrote...

I agree, and let's start with our sister. Or should I say, that woman who claims to be our sister, but no sister of mine is some filthy mage freak.

Ah, you put your glasses back on. Good show.

[LobselVith8]

October Sixth wrote...

And I decided to do your work for you, you're going to say the same thing endlessly anyway so I saved you the time

So you decided to mock the other side of the argument? I don't see the purpose to it. Why not act like an adult instead?

[GameBoyish]

GodWood wrote...

by Pseudocognition
Varric images FTW.

PS: was supposed to post F**K Yeah Varric but the image doesn't seem to be in Pseudo's album so whatever:whistle:

[upsettingshorts]

LobselVith8 wrote...

A college atmosphere? You're kidding, right? I don't think people risk their lives running away or starting revolutions because it's basically a "collegiate atmosphere."

That's called cherry picking.  Stop doing that.  Consider the entire description.  And then when you've done that, tell me what isn't vaguely collegiate about everything that takes place from the moment your mage wakes up from the Harrowing and hears about Jowan's scheme.  I refer of course to lower and upper classmen, exams, gossip, etc.  The rest of the aspects of Tower life are covered by the parts you didn't respond to.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Arguments have been made that the fearful atmosphere is caused by the Chantry's views on mages

The cause is irrelevant.  The seed has been planted and already grown into a tree.  If one of the options on the table was going back in time and stopping the Chantry from planting the seed, that'd be fine.  But it isn't.  The fearful atmosphere exists and must be considered, it cannot be wished away because its existence is unfortunate.

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Sounds like 1984 man. Just like it. The chantry's just doing for everyone's good, and everyone is afraid of mages. Anyone who hides a mage can be prosecuted. People are forced to out Mages, even if they maybe close friends, family members, loved ones,for the good of the state...

I've read 1984.  I've studied 1984.  The Circle Tower is not like 1984.  The Chantry is not the state.  The mages are not regular people. 

But that wasn't my point.  My point was that the institution exists and cannot be washed away without consequences.  Consequences that are often acknowledged in such discussions, but never seriously considered.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 15 février 2011 - 07:04 .

[Keithhy]

 I think that mages should be able to regulate themselves, as the thieves do in Terry Pratchett's Discworld series. Mages should pretty much be able to do what they want unless they step over the line, in which case other mages might band together to bring them down.
I don't know, but that system still seems to beat the oppression of anyone with magical abilities by the Chantry. Perhaps the Templar order could be maintained in order to deal with rogue mages/abominations, but their oppression of the Circle should end.

[October Sixth]

LobselVith8 wrote...

October Sixth wrote...

And I decided to do your work for you, you're going to say the same thing endlessly anyway so I saved you the time

So you decided to mock the other side of the argument? I don't see the purpose to it. Why not act like an adult instead?

You don't listen to reason, so there is no point in using it.

[Icinix]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Icinix wrote...

I hope I can side with me and ignore the whole debacle....

But seriously...why is it all black and white....why do we have to choose one or the other....

There has to be a better third option... THERE HAS TO BE!!!


..doesn't there?

Pro-Darkspawn.

SOLD!

[GodWood]

TriviaAeducan wrote...
PS: was supposed to post F**K Yeah Varric but the image doesn't seem to be in Pseudo's album so whatever:whistle:

It's k.
It's the message that really matters.

[LobselVith8]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

A college atmosphere? You're kidding, right? I don't think people risk their lives running away or starting revolutions because it's basically a "collegiate atmosphere."

That's called cherry picking.  Stop doing that.  Consider the entire description.  And then when you've done that, tell me what isn't vaguely collegiate about everything that takes place from the moment your mage wakes up from the Harrowing and hears about Jowan's scheme.  I refer of course to lower and upper classmen, exams, gossip, etc.  The rest of the aspects of Tower life are covered by the parts you didn't respond to.

I respectfully disagree. It's not cherry picking to point out the fundamental nature of what the Circle currently is and not what it should be.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Arguments have been made that the fearful atmosphere is caused by the Chantry's views on mages

The cause is irrelevant.  The seed has been planted and already grown into a tree.  If one of the options on the table was going back in time and stopping the Chantry from planting the seed, that'd be fine.  But it isn't.  The fearful atmosphere exists and must be considered, it cannot be wished away because its existence is unfortunate.

That doesn't mean it can't be undone.

[upsettingshorts]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I respectfully disagree. It's not cherry picking

Yes it was.

LobselVith8 wrote...

to point out the fundamental nature of what the Circle currently is and not what it should be.

That's not what you did, though.

LobselVith8 wrote...

That doesn't mean it can't be undone.

It kind of does.  At least not in the way people are presupposing.

[LobselVith8]

October Sixth wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

So you decided to mock the other side of the argument? I don't see the purpose to it. Why not act like an adult instead?

You don't listen to reason, so there is no point in using it.

So I lack reason because I refuse to agree with you? I may be on the pro-mage side of the argument, but I don't attack people for taking the Chantry side of the position. I don't mock them for having an opinion. I've debated the argument with Sir JK, who takes an opposing view, and she's capable of actually discussing the issue like an adult, instead of resorting to mocking the other side of the argument for not agreeing with her. I don't see why you should attack me or the other people who don't agree with your views on the Chantry or the mages.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I hope we can side with the Chantry and the Templars in DA II. Mages are simply too dangerous to live.

Are you bored?