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[Chikkenstorm]

revcasey wrote...

My wife has owned a Mac for over 2 years.  In all that time it has crashed zero times.  In all that time I do not remember a single program freezing.

I just got a new PC almost exactly 1 week ago.  In that time I have already had 2 programs freeze... No system crashes yet, but I await them breathlessly.

Macs are more expensive, yes.  Microsoft has made damn sure that most games are released for windows, and usually not for mac, yes.

Whatever.  Anyway macs run better than PCs, irrefutable fact.

Mac's have less issues because they also run less programs. It's just the way it is; Apple makes sure that it all runs stable, but you pay a hell of a lot more and you can do less. But for business things, it's good.

Though I'd never game on a Mac, not even if I'd get it for free. I have yet to see a Mac with a good GPU.

[AngelofDeth99]

revcasey wrote...

BewareTheDrow wrote...

Chikkenstorm wrote...
Mac computers are for the people who want to pay more than you for the same hardware.

Fixed that for you.

My wife has owned a Mac for over 2 years.  In all that time it has crashed zero times.  In all that time I do not remember a single program freezing.

I just got a new PC almost exactly 1 week ago.  In that time I have already had 2 programs freeze... No system crashes yet, but I await them breathlessly.

Macs are more expensive, yes.  Microsoft has made damn sure that most games are released for windows, and usually not for mac, yes.

Whatever.  Anyway macs run better than PCs, irrefutable fact.

No its not an irrefutable fact. It may be an irrefutable fact that YOUR Mac runs better than YOUR PC, but don't assume all PCs crash everyday just because you don't know how to operate  one.

[M_arc]

revcasey wrote...

BewareTheDrow wrote...

Chikkenstorm wrote...
Mac computers are for the people who want to pay more than you for the same hardware.

Fixed that for you.

My wife has owned a Mac for over 2 years.  In all that time it has crashed zero times.  In all that time I do not remember a single program freezing.

I just got a new PC almost exactly 1 week ago.  In that time I have already had 2 programs freeze... No system crashes yet, but I await them breathlessly.

Macs are more expensive, yes.  Microsoft has made damn sure that most games are released for windows, and usually not for mac, yes.

Whatever.  Anyway macs run better than PCs, irrefutable fact.

Mac's don't run better dan PC's sigh...
They only run godly because you can't do **** compared to windows or ubuntu.

I think it's appropiate to say there's a difference between hardware and software.
The standard mac hardware is quite good, a bit overpriced imo but fine.
I personally don't think the MAC OS is that kind of a big deal. It's not better than windows or ubuntu(linux)
If you want to game then customising your pc is the best route to take. Get yourself a nice dual/quad core (64 bit rocks! can;t wait when most games start using it), a good videocard (I recommend the Nvidea 8800 and above), a good motherboard ect ect and a copy of the windows os off course, vista and 7 both work fine, even xp but directx10 is beautifull =) Gamers should stay away from mac's... I guess it's a bit unfair because they do have good hardware but you don't have much of a choice =/ dual booting mac os and windows is a option of course but also a waste of money on that 'precious white' mac, as I said before buy a gaming pc in stead.

Modifié par M_arc, 27 octobre 2009 - 09:40 .

[revcasey]

AngelofDeth99 wrote...

revcasey wrote...

BewareTheDrow wrote...

Chikkenstorm wrote...
Mac computers are for the people who want to pay more than you for the same hardware.

Fixed that for you.

My wife has owned a Mac for over 2 years.  In all that time it has crashed zero times.  In all that time I do not remember a single program freezing.

I just got a new PC almost exactly 1 week ago.  In that time I have already had 2 programs freeze... No system crashes yet, but I await them breathlessly.

Macs are more expensive, yes.  Microsoft has made damn sure that most games are released for windows, and usually not for mac, yes.

Whatever.  Anyway macs run better than PCs, irrefutable fact.

No its not an irrefutable fact. It may be an irrefutable fact that YOUR Mac runs better than YOUR PC, but don't assume all PCs crash everyday just because you don't know how to operate  one.

Unprovoked ad hominem attack.  Nice.  Yeah, you know you probably are better than me in every way.  Why did I think I could state my opinion on a topic so far above me?  You should go back to eating ambrosia and flinging lightning bolts Zeus.  Forget about me.  I'm not worth your time.

Modifié par revcasey, 27 octobre 2009 - 10:27 .

[Staylost]

So on these forums we don't like consoles, multiplayer games, young people, and Macs?

Am I missing anything?

[revcasey]

Lol. We only like people who share our exact worldview. Any deviation is NOT tolerated.

[BewareTheDrow]

revcasey wrote...

AngelofDeth99 wrote...

revcasey wrote...

BewareTheDrow wrote...

Chikkenstorm wrote...
Mac computers are for the people who want to pay more than you for the same hardware.

Fixed that for you.

My wife has owned a Mac for over 2 years.  In all that time it has crashed zero times.  In all that time I do not remember a single program freezing.

I just got a new PC almost exactly 1 week ago.  In that time I have already had 2 programs freeze... No system crashes yet, but I await them breathlessly.

Macs are more expensive, yes.  Microsoft has made damn sure that most games are released for windows, and usually not for mac, yes.

Whatever.  Anyway macs run better than PCs, irrefutable fact.

No its not an irrefutable fact. It may be an irrefutable fact that YOUR Mac runs better than YOUR PC, but don't assume all PCs crash everyday just because you don't know how to operate  one.

Unprovoked ad hominem attack.  Nice.  Yeah, you know you probably are better than me in every way.  Why did I think I could state my opinion on a topic so far above me?  You should go back to eating ambrosia and flinging lightning bolts Zeus.  Forget about me.  I'm not worth you time.

You stated opinion as fact and are surprised you got chewed out?

PC's are known for only being as effective as the user in control. I haven't had a program or crash in windows in....a year? Maybe longer. Does it take more expertise and comfort with the Windows XP OS to run it flawlessly? Probably. I have some direct control over my computer's efficiency in that regard.

A Mac does not provide that control. One mac with identical hardware and software will run near identically to another, because there is very little control on the end user side performance wise. It doesn't make it better or worse, just more friendly to the less computer savvy. It will hold your hand through any problem you run into, while a windows machine that runs into a problem is almost always a result of user error. (speaking from work experience in this regard) I spent two years working as a computer tech at university, you'd be surprised what simple things people DON'T do to keep their computer running smoothly.

[briskojr]

Staylost wrote...

So on these forums we don't like consoles, multiplayer games, young people, and Macs?
Am I missing anything?

Twitter maybe.

[M_arc]

revcasey wrote...

Lol. We only like people who share our exact worldview. Any deviation is NOT tolerated.

Sorry mate but you got served..

If you say that mac's run better you sadly don't have any clue about computers =/
And you should've know that you can expect comments like these..
We back our comments with arguments, you still haven't.
I'm willing to discuss with you but don't blame it on us.

[daem3an]

I've taken the bait. Why stop now?

Chikkenstorm wrote...
Though I'd never game on a Mac, not even if I'd get it for free. I have yet to see a Mac with a good GPU.

This machine comes stock with an 8800GT, I've since upgraded.

M_arc wrote...
Get yourself a nice dual/quad core (64 bit rocks! can;t wait when most games start using it), a good videocard (I recommend the Nvidea 8800 and above), a good motherboard ect ect and a copy of the windows os off course, vista and 7 both work fine, even xp but directx10 is beautifull =) Gamers should stay away from mac's... I guess it's a bit unfair because they do have good hardware but you don't have much of a choice =/ dual booting mac os and windows is a option of course but also a waste of money on that 'precious white' mac, as I said before buy a gaming pc in stead.

OK, this is silly, as these discussions always are. Almost nobody in their right mind would buy a mac solely for gaming, though I'm sure those people are out there. Macs and Wintels can both run equally problem free, and vice-versa. Apple's standardized hardware makes the experience less painful for a lot of people, but you do get a lot less choice as a trade-off..

Dual-booting is an advantage, not a drawback. I work in MacOSX and Windows, and when I game, I'm doing it on a mac, in Windows Vista 64-bit, with 8 GB Ram, 2x Quad-core Intel Xeon processors, and a GTX295. In almost 2 years I've seen nothing infect my machine (nothing at all), and had zero problems with hardware. I guess that might be an inferior gaming machine to some people, but why would anyone who works on a mac buy a separate machine just for gaming?

edit: and why do I get 8 lines of space for every return?

Modifié par daem3an, 27 octobre 2009 - 10:58 .

[revcasey]

M_arc wrote...

revcasey wrote...

Lol. We only like people who share our exact worldview. Any deviation is NOT tolerated.

Sorry mate but you got served..

If you say that mac's run better you sadly don't have any clue about computers =/
And you should've know that you can expect comments like these..
We back our comments with arguments, you still haven't.
I'm willing to discuss with you but don't blame it on us.

I don't know how much more clear of an argument I can make than 2 years of uninterrupted perfect performance versus 1 week with both IE and a stupid game that came *preloaded* on the computer both crashing. 

Ok, even if you assume that I am an idiot and not knowledgeable about computers (neither of which are true), I have only had the PC for 1 (one) week.  I have not even had time to do anything to screw it up.

A personal attack on my intelligence is NOT getting "served".  It is the tactic of someone who does not know how to martial a convincing argument based on facts.  You, as an apparently reasonable person, should not be defending behavior like that.  And no, when someone sinks to that level I am not going to debate anything with them, because they are not capable of debate.  I am not going to back anything with an argument in response to ad hominem.  I am going to give it the level of response that it deserves.  If you, on the other hand, want to be civilized I don't have a problem debating with you.

[GhoXen]

briskojr wrote...

You should really take this opportunity to laugh at your friend for owning a mac.

My computer is called "MacBane" and has anti-apple stickers on it.

I don't know how much more clear of an argument I can make than 2 years of uninterrupted perfect performance versus 1 week with both IE and a stupid game that came *preloaded* on the computer both crashing. 

Sorry mate, you got served.

You clearly don't know much about computers for using IE.

Modifié par GhoXen, 27 octobre 2009 - 11:03 .

[daem3an]

GhoXen wrote...
You clearly don't know much about computers for using IE.

That's a popular opinion, but regardless, it's pointless to argue with someone's personal experience. One machine worked flawlessly out of the box, the other didn't.

Fine if people don't agree, but I don't see the need to insult anybody. I don't mind discussing this if it doesn't turn into a bash-fest (and if it doesn't get locked).

Modifié par daem3an, 27 octobre 2009 - 11:11 .

[M_arc]

revcasey wrote...

M_arc wrote...

revcasey wrote...

Lol. We only like people who share our exact worldview. Any deviation is NOT tolerated.

Sorry mate but you got served..

If you say that mac's run better you sadly don't have any clue about computers =/
And you should've know that you can expect comments like these..
We back our comments with arguments, you still haven't.
I'm willing to discuss with you but don't blame it on us.

I don't know how much more clear of an argument I can make than 2 years of uninterrupted perfect performance versus 1 week with both IE and a stupid game that came *preloaded* on the computer both crashing. 

Ok, even if you assume that I am an idiot and not knowledgeable about computers (neither of which are true), I have only had the PC for 1 (one) week.  I have not even had time to do anything to screw it up.

A personal attack on my intelligence is NOT getting "served".  It is the tactic of someone who does not know how to martial a convincing argument based on facts.  You, as an apparently reasonable person, should not be defending behavior like that.  And no, when someone sinks to that level I am not going to debate anything with them, because they are not capable of debate.  I am not going to back anything with an argument in response to ad hominem.  I am going to give it the level of response that it deserves.  If you, on the other hand, want to be civilized I don't have a problem debating with you.

You're right, I'm sorry for personal attacking you. Please know that it wasn't my intention to call you an idiot or anything like that. It just kinda annoyed me that you use a empirical (personal) argument. It's same as saying: I don't like cookies, so all the cookies in the world are bad. Just because YOUR pc had problems and YOUR mac runs fine doesn't imply that they ALL do.
If I accept the fact that your pc sucked and your mac ruled, from that I can only conclude 2 logical conclusions:
1. not all pc rule because there is one who sucks
2. not all mac's suck because there is one who rules
You cannot globalize these facts by saying that they all suck or rule..
I however also kinda failed by using a personal attack so please accept my apologies.

[revcasey]

GhoXen wrote...

briskojr wrote...

You should really take this opportunity to laugh at your friend for owning a mac.

My computer is called "MacBane" and has anti-apple stickers on it.

I don't know how much more clear of an argument I can make than 2 years of uninterrupted perfect performance versus 1 week with both IE and a stupid game that came *preloaded* on the computer both crashing. 

Sorry mate, you got served.

You clearly don't know much about computers for using IE.

haha hilarious.  Also a pretty transparent attempt to provoke me. 

We actually use firefox on the mac because I don't particularly like the mac browser, safari.  Sorry, I work a lot.  Have not had time to load a different browser, and IE8 seems to be working ok at this point.  Plus, I am waiting to get my free win7 upgrade anyway, so why bother?

I have built my own PCs before from scratch.  I am not newb.  I know you want to believe that because I disagree with you I must be ignorant or stupid.  It is not true though.  And you want to look all sarcastic and hip, so you attack me personally. *shrug*

I am guessing the self-attested hatred for macs is a result of their marketing campaign.  I can understand that.  I think it is pretty silly too.  But, I am not Steve Jobs.  I am just telling you my personal experiences from owning a mac.

[GhoXen]

Using Mac may have some benefits, but one of its disadvantages along with gaming is being defaultly looked down upon by PC gamers.



Imagine gaming as driving off-road, Mac a sports car and PC a hummvee. Whatever you do, we know for fact that a sports car won't end up too well off-road compared to our hummvee.



DA:O will never release on Mac OS directly. Not only is Mac not suitable for gaming, the gamer base is also too small compared to PC or consoles.

[daem3an]

revcasey wrote...
I am guessing the self-attested hatred for macs is a result of their marketing campaign.  I can understand that.  I think it is pretty silly too.

I hear that. Safari blows, by the way (and I am definitely not 'a mac').

[M_arc]

I don't see the benefits of dual booting for pure gaming.

The other partition takes a bunch of precious memory =/

The more logical way would be to use your precious mac for your administrative actions and buy a good gaming pc or a console. But yeah that's when the expenses for a mac come along and you realise you actually pay a lot and a lot of money for a computer where you only write documents, view and edit photos maybe use some adobe product ect. But yeah it's whiteand cool, I can't blame you...

[f14dude]

I can't believe there are still people making fun of the Mac in this day and age.  I know many people who both owns powerful gaming machine yet  still own a Mac just to do other works that is related to their job.  Honesty, what is there to complain?  Both platforms are good for whatever you wish to do.  While I don't have a Mac yet, (will be soon), I know many people with both platforms.  Most uses their Mac for work while the PC for games.  I know a friend who uses the Mac Book Pro as their standard work laptop because they got tired of PC laptops breaking down but when it comes to PC, they all have state of the art PC for games.  Also with multicore Mac and Bootcamp, it is so easy to run the latest PC games on the Mac too.  Anyhow, hope someone will lock this thread up and just use what you like best. 

[GhoXen]

The only thing good I can say about Mac is their laptops.



That is simply because OEM branded PCs are always crap and overpriced, be they desktop or laptop, and I can only custom-build my desktop and not a laptop.

[daem3an]

GhoXen wrote...
DA:O will never release on Mac OS directly.

I'm not sure why anybody still spends money to release games for OSX, to be honest, when every mac can run Windows.

...Not only is Mac not suitable for gaming...

I'm gonna resort to the old reliable facepalm here.

M_arc wrote...
I don't see the benefits of dual booting for pure gaming.
The other partition takes a bunch of precious memory =/
The more logical way would be to use your precious mac for your administrative actions and buy a good gaming pc or a console. But yeah that's when the expenses for a mac come along and you realise you actually pay a lot and a lot of money for a computer where you only write documents, view and edit photos maybe use some adobe product ect. But yeah it's whiteand cool, I can't blame you...

Some very convincing arguments, especially considering what's written a few posts up.

Apart from gaming, I also use it for looking at pictures, writing documents and email. But seriously, if you think buying a separate machine for gaming is smarter than using the one I already have, considering the specs it has, well, that sums it up for me. For the record, Vista runs on a separate drive, not a partition. Memory's not an issue, and it's not white.

Modifié par daem3an, 27 octobre 2009 - 11:48 .

[GhoXen]

Vista?

[Dennis Carpenter]

Rumor has it PC used his old MAC disguise and went over to DA:O and told them to not bother making it cause Mac really didnt want any games....................:-)

[daem3an]

Yes, Vista.

[revcasey]

M_arc wrote...

revcasey wrote...

M_arc wrote...

revcasey wrote...

Lol. We only like people who share our exact worldview. Any deviation is NOT tolerated.

Sorry mate but you got served..

If you say that mac's run better you sadly don't have any clue about computers =/
And you should've know that you can expect comments like these..
We back our comments with arguments, you still haven't.
I'm willing to discuss with you but don't blame it on us.

I don't know how much more clear of an argument I can make than 2 years of uninterrupted perfect performance versus 1 week with both IE and a stupid game that came *preloaded* on the computer both crashing. 

Ok, even if you assume that I am an idiot and not knowledgeable about computers (neither of which are true), I have only had the PC for 1 (one) week.  I have not even had time to do anything to screw it up.

A personal attack on my intelligence is NOT getting "served".  It is the tactic of someone who does not know how to martial a convincing argument based on facts.  You, as an apparently reasonable person, should not be defending behavior like that.  And no, when someone sinks to that level I am not going to debate anything with them, because they are not capable of debate.  I am not going to back anything with an argument in response to ad hominem.  I am going to give it the level of response that it deserves.  If you, on the other hand, want to be civilized I don't have a problem debating with you.

You're right, I'm sorry for personal attacking you. Please know that it wasn't my intention to call you an idiot or anything like that. It just kinda annoyed me that you use a empirical (personal) argument. It's same as saying: I don't like cookies, so all the cookies in the world are bad. Just because YOUR pc had problems and YOUR mac runs fine doesn't imply that they ALL do.
If I accept the fact that your pc sucked and your mac ruled, from that I can only conclude 2 logical conclusions:
1. not all pc rule because there is one who sucks
2. not all mac's suck because there is one who rules
You cannot globalize these facts by saying that they all suck or rule..
I however also kinda failed by using a personal attack so please accept my apologies.

No problem.

You are right.  I should not have said that macs run better than PCs as a general statement.  I am absolutely sure that there are plenty of stable, powerful PCs out there that never crash.  Plus you can game on them, which god knows you cannot do in OSX.  Hopefully mine will be one of those awesome PCs when I have a chance to tweak it.

All I am saying is, my wife's Mac was rock stable right out of the box.  No tweaking. 

So, I appologize for the blatant and uncalled-for generalization.

*disengage*