Nah, as far as I know, the qunari don't give their subjects an option to join nomadic tribes and live free.Taleroth wrote...
So it's the Dales all over again?Yes, and far more. When the Qunari conquer a new country, they send anyone who won't convert to soviet-style work camps to be worked to death. That kinda sucks brah.bobobo878 wrote...
So are you saying chantry better slay innocent people because if they don't do it Qun come and do it?
The Chantry blows! It's time to remove them from power.
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Posté 15 février 2011 - 07:28
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I'll be honest. There's a lot of these "Death to the Chantry!" threads, and I don't read the majority of them. So I'm pretty ignorant of how most people feel about this.. but it seems to me a lot of it, or at least some of it, is just 'The Man" syndrome. People want to take down the Chantry just because it's there, and been in power for a long time, and damn the consequences.
The Chantry has done some really horrible things (Dales), but it's silly to ignore all the good it does by existing. Though I just said, I don't know the majority of people's opinions on it. That's just how it seems to me. I'm more middle ground. The Mages need more freedom, but it's reckless and silly to take down the Chantry just because it 'blows'.
Or maybe there's just a lot more of anarchistic atheists in the gamer community than I thought.
The Chantry has done some really horrible things (Dales), but it's silly to ignore all the good it does by existing. Though I just said, I don't know the majority of people's opinions on it. That's just how it seems to me. I'm more middle ground. The Mages need more freedom, but it's reckless and silly to take down the Chantry just because it 'blows'.
Or maybe there's just a lot more of anarchistic atheists in the gamer community than I thought.
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The funniest part will be once destroying the chantry because they will know The Maker didn't even try to stop it.Which would be the perfect time for some random guy to come out and say "Where is your Maker now?!!!". Anyways I think the chantry has no right to tell others what to believe in and then declare war on them. Nobody should be able to do that but for whatever reason we still do
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I really really ree-e-e-eally hope that if the option to free the mages from the rule of the Chantry exists, it creates a horrible ending with abominations running rampant just to show how stupid most of this "free people who can become walking fountains of death and terror" claptrap is.
I would of thought the Broken Circle was enough for people to realize that mages are a serious potential threat, and that without the Circle and the Chantry that incident could of gone so much worse than it did. And before people type it, I know they'll be thinking, "Uldred only became a blood mage and an abomination because he was being oppressed!' OK, I'll give that to them, but even if that incident was averted, it's 100% guaranteed that something like that would happen eventually and if it happened outside the Circle Tower things would've gone to heck in a handbasket reall fast. The Chantry provides a genuine service to Thedas in the form of the Templars and the Circle. Sure, it may be a morally grey service, but what isn't in Dragon Age?
The Circle of Magi is a good thing to have but it doesn't need the Chantry to have authority over them. Mages can be trained to handle any abomination and maleficar that threaten the outside world but were not given enough training due to the Chantry fearing they'll be too powerful to control. The Broken Circle had also proved that Templars couldn't even handle the situation and had to resort to completey wiping out the circle entirely with no regard to any of the surviving mages and that are still within.
We saw how well the mages fared against the abominations in Broken Circle. Given enough time Uldred would have corrupted them all. And while the Templars may have had a drastic solution, it's one they knew would work. Mages are powerful, but it's a double edged sword that they have. Mages are far too dangerous to just have the freedom to go anywhere and do anything. They should have freedom, but it needs to be regulated like it is in Dragon Age. We know that mages who have proven themselves responsible are able to go out of the Tower, look at Wynne, Finn, and the botanist lady from Awakening. But if they were all free, things would go real bad real quick.
But they don't need Templars to do it, the mages can take care of their own with better training to handle any situation.
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Posté 15 février 2011 - 07:31
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bobobo878 wrote...
Yes, and far more. When the Qunari conquer a new country, they send anyone who won't convert to soviet-style work camps to be worked to death. That kinda sucks brah.GreyArea wrote...
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because they'd all be better off under the Qun, right?GreyArea wrote...
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Destroy the Chantry and you create a power vacuum for a more oppressive organization.
I don't fear your power vacuums. Chantry is an evil organisation and must be destroyed. Feralden is better without chantry.
So are you saying chantry better slay innocent people because if they don't do it Qun come and do it?
So you are saying if we slay mages Qun wont come, and if we have chantry Qun wont come. Where was that all mighty chantry during blights? Nowhere. It exists only in your head. There is no templar army capable to beat Qun. Chanrty can be safely destroyed, and it is best done using the eternal flame they value more than human lives.
An army supported by mages is superior to an army having no mages but just some
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I think it's somewhat silly to assume the good things operating out of the Chantry are actually the result of the Chantry. I don't think going to Orlais, installing a secular government, then freeing the Circles to manage themselves is suddenly going to cause all of the orphanages to run out of charity baskets or Irving to transform into a demon of pride.Amagoi wrote...
The Chantry has done some really horrible things (Dales), but it's silly to ignore all the good it does by existing.
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Taleroth wrote...
I think it's somewhat silly to assume the good things operating out of the Chantry are actually the result of the Chantry. I don't think going to Orlais, installing a secular government, then freeing the Circles to manage themselves is suddenly going to cause all of the orphanages to run out of charity baskets.Amagoi wrote...
The Chantry has done some really horrible things (Dales), but it's silly to ignore all the good it does by existing.
Mages can make new charity organisations too. And mages suit for it much better since they can heal people. Chantry is not needed for anything. The thing is that there will be people who want to do good, and they don't need chantry for it.
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Um the whole game just exists in your head, this is all speculation, I'm just saying.GreyArea wrote...
So you are saying if we slay mages Qun wont come, and if we have chantry Qun wont come. Where was that all mighty chantry during blights? Nowhere. It exists only in your head. There is no templar army capable to beat Qun. Chanrty can be safely destroyed, and it is best done using the eternal flame they value more than human lives.
An army supported by mages is superior to an army having no mages but just somemethlyrium addicts.
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Um the whole game just exists in your head, this is all speculation, I'm just saying.GreyArea wrote...
So you are saying if we slay mages Qun wont come, and if we have chantry Qun wont come. Where was that all mighty chantry during blights? Nowhere. It exists only in your head. There is no templar army capable to beat Qun. Chanrty can be safely destroyed, and it is best done using the eternal flame they value more than human lives.
An army supported by mages is superior to an army having no mages but just somemethlyrium addicts.
No. I can click "Dragon Age Origins" shortcut on the desktop and see that the game exists in the HD of my computer.
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They're evil but that evil adds more awesomeness to them.Sort of like an evil organization with good intentions.
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Posté 15 février 2011 - 07:41
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Do they lock these threads or do people just feel compelled to start new ones on the same subject all the time?
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They're evil but that evil adds more awesomeness to them.Sort of like an evil organization with good intentions.
When in real they are just paranoid religious lunatics with a mission to kill other people. That kind of people are extremely dangerous in real. Much more dangerous than mages.
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There is still no real chantry. Bioware dreamed it up, and were vague enough that it's description is open for interpretation.GreyArea wrote...
No. I can click "Dragon Age Origins" shortcut on the desktop and see that the game exists in the HD of my computer.
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Once, I would join you in burning the chantry. But I rethought and came to the conclusion that it isn't needed. We just need to reforge it into a new shape. A Grey Chantry, a third andrasteistic church. It would stand in the middle between the Orlesian Chantry and the Imperial Chantry. A faith mostly for humans and with great respect for the dwarven and elven faiths. The legendary Hawke will be it's prophet, just second behind Andraste in importance! All hail the Divine Hawke!
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bobobo878 wrote...
There is still no real chantry. Bioware dreamed it up, and were vague enough that it's description is open for interpretation.GreyArea wrote...
No. I can click "Dragon Age Origins" shortcut on the desktop and see that the game exists in the HD of my computer.
Yes. But you interpret so much additional content in your head into it that you said chantry could defeat Qun.
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If the qunari can't even defeat Tevinter, I doubt they could stand up to another exalted march in full force.GreyArea wrote...
bobobo878 wrote...
There is still no real chantry. Bioware dreamed it up, and were vague enough that it's description is open for interpretation.GreyArea wrote...
No. I can click "Dragon Age Origins" shortcut on the desktop and see that the game exists in the HD of my computer.
Yes. But you interpret so much additional content in your head into it that you said chantry could defeat Qun.
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Yaskaleh wrote...
Once, I would join you in burning the chantry. But I rethought and came to the conclusion that it isn't needed. We just need to reforge it into a new shape. A Grey Chantry, a third andrasteistic church. It would stand in the middle between the Orlesian Chantry and the Imperial Chantry. A faith mostly for humans and with great respect for the dwarven and elven faiths. The legendary Hawke will be it's prophet, just second behind Andraste in importance! All hail the Divine Hawke!
You can't make a new before you destroy the old.
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Posté 15 février 2011 - 07:49
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bobobo878 wrote...
If the qunari can't even defeat Tevinter, I doubt they could stand up to another exalted march in full force.GreyArea wrote...
bobobo878 wrote...
There is still no real chantry. Bioware dreamed it up, and were vague enough that it's description is open for interpretation.GreyArea wrote...
No. I can click "Dragon Age Origins" shortcut on the desktop and see that the game exists in the HD of my computer.
Yes. But you interpret so much additional content in your head into it that you said chantry could defeat Qun.
I see a flaw in your logic. There has been numerous marches on Tevinter that failed. That would make them even.
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GreyArea wrote...
Yaskaleh wrote...
Once, I would join you in burning the chantry. But I rethought and came to the conclusion that it isn't needed. We just need to reforge it into a new shape. A Grey Chantry, a third andrasteistic church. It would stand in the middle between the Orlesian Chantry and the Imperial Chantry. A faith mostly for humans and with great respect for the dwarven and elven faiths. The legendary Hawke will be it's prophet, just second behind Andraste in importance! All hail the Divine Hawke!
You can't make a new before you destroy the old.
oh, really? Say that to the protestantic movement in the middle ages.
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bobobo878 wrote...
If the qunari can't even defeat Tevinter, I doubt they could stand up to another exalted march in full force.GreyArea wrote...
bobobo878 wrote...
There is still no real chantry. Bioware dreamed it up, and were vague enough that it's description is open for interpretation.GreyArea wrote...
No. I can click "Dragon Age Origins" shortcut on the desktop and see that the game exists in the HD of my computer.
Yes. But you interpret so much additional content in your head into it that you said chantry could defeat Qun.
Exalted march was just a failure. And in that failure there was one person making it possible. Andraste. Where is Andraste now?
I am sorry to say this but if you are going to believe in "exalted marches" and "mages must be killed" fantasies and obsessions then you will just find yourself being a sex slave to Qun screaming for exalted march, but none will hear you except Qun.
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Amagoi wrote...
... but it seems to me a lot of it, or at least some of it, is just 'The Man" syndrome. People want to take down the Chantry just because it's there, and been in power for a long time, and damn the consequences.
Or maybe there's just a lot more of anarchistic atheists in the gamer community than I thought.
Pretty much, people place their real life morals in a fantasy setting and hate "the man".
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Damn.
I'm so tired of these threads, my god.
I'm so tired of these threads, my god.
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You see, this is my problem with your logic. We don't know enough about any faction in dragon age to make these claims without filling in huge gaps with pure speculation, yet you insist that your speculation is superior, and anyone who hasn't come to the same conclusion is a fanatic or a lunatic.GreyArea wrote...
Exalted march was just a failure. And in that failure there was one person making it possible. Andraste. Where is Andraste now?
I am sorry to say this but if you are going to believe in "exalted marches" and "mages must be killed" fantasies and obsessions then you will just find yourself being a sex slave to Qun screaming for exalted march.
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Dave of Canada wrote...
Amagoi wrote...
... but it seems to me a lot of it, or at least some of it, is just 'The Man" syndrome. People want to take down the Chantry just because it's there, and been in power for a long time, and damn the consequences.
Or maybe there's just a lot more of anarchistic atheists in the gamer community than I thought.
Pretty much, people place their real life morals in a fantasy setting and hate "the man".
I have limits what kind of RP I can do. And I really don't enjoy RPing some kind of sick chantry apologist. So? Am I doing it wrong?
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Posté 15 février 2011 - 07:56
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RosaAquafire wrote...
Damn.
I'm so tired of these threads, my god.
Well now that there's an official romance thread they can't keep making more of those, so let's go to the topic people are passionate about on this forum, and I'll paraphrase, "Teh Chantry is evulz! Mages FTW can mages haz freedom?"
