132 réponses à ce sujet

[Spectre_907]

Assuming Hackett did not know about your meeting with Anderson and the Council, or just Anderson, or the email was not received before official contact with the Council and Anderson or Anderson alone was made, my guess is Hackett elected to take a "wait and see" stance. There is no need to bring Shepard in if he had not done anything treasonous, aside from a vague declaration of allegiance, without sufficient intel.

Modifié par Spectre_907, 16 février 2011 - 02:02 .

[Pro_Consul]

I think two reasons are more than sufficiently supported by the game evidence:



1. Hackett knows that the Alliance unilaterally seizing a Spectre by force, even one the Council isn't currently acknowledging openly, is a huge diplomatic bomb waiting to explode. If the Council had disavowed Shep, like they eventually did with Saren, that would be a different matter, but they haven't done that.



2. Hackett led that fleet that finally destroyed Sovereign. He knows first hand just how real and how badass the Reapers are. And he knows that Shep is the only one who both saw that threat AND was able to do something about it, even when the Council was opposed to him doing anything about it.

[Capeo]

Hackett is a Cerebus operative. TIM has connections in the Alliance. Why not Hackett?

[Kingthlayer]

I think Hackett is well aware that bringing in Shepard is impossible. Shepard will either kill the people coming to arrest him or if he is massively outnumbered he will die in combat.

[jbblue05]

Why does everybody think Shepard is invicincible and unbeatable?



A team of N7 marines is more than a match to handle Shepard

[Bailyn242]

jbblue05 wrote...

Why does everybody think Shepard is invicincible and unbeatable?

A team of N7 marines is more than a match to handle Shepard

If he's alone but he's not, he's surrounded by the Dirty Dozen. The best team consisting of many races. N-7 gonna take down Shepard.... riigghhtt. The best humanity has to offer and some random seal team is gonna take him down?Good luck with that one.

He's not unbeatable but the team he has gathered under his leadership is. At least with what could reasonably be thrown at him.

[DaVanguard]

Capeo wrote...

Hackett is a Cerebus operative. TIM has connections in the Alliance. Why not Hackett?

I recamend you read hacketts dossier(sp) in Lotsb hacketts new aid is a cerberus mole.

[HBC Dresden]

Gabey5 wrote...

Hackett trusts shep

This, becuase all Shep has done. Kirahee is the same way; there was an email from Kirahee showing he still trusts Shep (if he survived) and wanted to investigate the human colonies disappearing but was denied by his superiors. But the email was cut but still in the files.

[Silmane]

DaVanguard wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Hackett is a Cerebus operative. TIM has connections in the Alliance. Why not Hackett?

I recamend you read hacketts dossier(sp) in Lotsb hacketts new aid is a cerberus mole.

You put (sp) on dossier, which you got right, but not recommend? I kid. I kid.

And I need to go read this dossier..*Loads up game.*

[DaVanguard]

Silmane wrote...

DaVanguard wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Hackett is a Cerebus operative. TIM has connections in the Alliance. Why not Hackett?

I recamend you read hacketts dossier(sp) in Lotsb hacketts new aid is a shadow brocker mole.

You put (sp) on dossier, which you got right, but not recommend? I kid. I kid.

And I need to go read this dossier..*Loads up game.*

 messed up its a shadow brocker[facepalm] mole sorry, that didnt help matters

Modifié par DaVanguard, 16 février 2011 - 12:02 .

[Big stupid jellyfish]

In my mind canon, Hackett is a family friend (Ripley Shepard is a spacer). So yes, I've assumed he trusts Shepard and wants to at least give her a chance to explain herself. He also knows Shepard is good at what she's doing; he knows her beliefs and that she's not pro-Cerverus; instead of capturing her like a criminal, Hackett waits for her to get in touch with him as ally.

Also, I don't deny a possibility that Cerberus and Alliance have a two-way relationship, and Hackett may actually know more than an Alliance man is supposed to.

/mind canon

[Thompson family]

Actually, the simplest explanation is that Commander Shepard is a hero, a "bloody icon" in Miranda's words. Arresting a hero who was already bigger than life before s/he came back from the dead would, to say the least, generate a lot of attention -- attention the Alliance doesn't want since the Alliance Brass was first on board the "There is no Reaper menace" bandwagon.



And there's the fact that hundreds of thousands of humans are disappearing in Terminus System space. Somebody needs to go take a look. Here's Shepard with a ship that's not theirs, manned entirely by people whose death the Alliance wouldn't mind.



It's pretty pragmatic, actually.

[EternalPink]

Whether he trusts Shepard or not ( would have been nice if that had of been affected by what you did in ME1 ) he would know what Shepard had done in ME1 via offical/unoffical channels so knowing all that he wouldn't want to make him a enemy.

[jbblue05]

Bailyn242 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Why does everybody think Shepard is invicincible and unbeatable?

A team of N7 marines is more than a match to handle Shepard

If he's alone but he's not, he's surrounded by the Dirty Dozen. The best team consisting of many races. N-7 gonna take down Shepard.... riigghhtt. The best humanity has to offer and some random seal team is gonna take him down?Good luck with that one.

He's not unbeatable but the team he has gathered under his leadership is. At least with what could reasonably be thrown at him.

Shepard is not always surrounded by his team. Shepard's team is not the best out their they are just the best available and Shepard has a save/reload function.

[Bailyn242]

jbblue05 wrote...

Bailyn242 wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

Why does everybody think Shepard is invicincible and unbeatable?

A team of N7 marines is more than a match to handle Shepard

If he's alone but he's not, he's surrounded by the Dirty Dozen. The best team consisting of many races. N-7 gonna take down Shepard.... riigghhtt. The best humanity has to offer and some random seal team is gonna take him down?Good luck with that one.

He's not unbeatable but the team he has gathered under his leadership is. At least with what could reasonably be thrown at him.

Shepard is not always surrounded by his team. Shepard's team is not the best out their they are just the best available and Shepard has a save/reload function.

If Shepard wasn't the best Humanity had to offer then why didn't the Alliance pick that person... sorry... grasp at straws much?

[McAllyster]

1. Arresting humanity's most famous hero is not a wise decision.
2. Maybe the Alliance could arrest Shepard succesfully, but the price is high - Shepard is one of the most dangerous operatives in the galaxy, too many marines could die before they could arrest him.
(3. If your Spectre status reinstated the Alliance has no legal opportunities to arrest Shepard. The diplomatic drawbacks should be huge.)
4. Hackett led the fleet to attack Sovereign - he is one of the few people who knows about the greatest threat of humanity's brief existence... from personal experience. So yeah he will not authorize this arrest if he could oppose this requests - because he will not endanger humanity with a stupid move.

Modifié par McAllyster, 16 février 2011 - 12:53 .

[James2912]

Shepard is the best that humanity has to offe,r however he is not invincible. I'm sure the Alliance could figure out a way to set a trap that would overwhelm shepard! Zulu has an intersting theory on how ME3 will start out with shep being caught and put in prison in the beginning of ME3 maybe because he worked for Cerberus or/and because he killed Tela Vasir.

[DPSSOC]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

I think Hackett is well aware that bringing in Shepard is impossible. Shepard will either kill the people coming to arrest him or if he is massively outnumbered he will die in combat.

My thinking was similar.  Hackett may want to bring Shepard in for an explanation, but what's the cost of failure?  You send a team to bring Shepard in and there are 2 potentially disasterous outcomes.

1) Shepard kills the team sent to bring him/her in.
2) Shepard is brought in and escapes.

The reason these are disasterous is because if they fail to bring Shepard in or Shepard escapse then the Alliance has officially, and openly, declared themselves his/her enemy.  And as Shepard has demonstrated throughout ME1 (and 2 of the Service profiles) that is not a safe place to stand.  So yes Hackett wants answers but knows that if he forces Shepard to come in it's essentially a declaration of war.  It's safer, and simpler, to wait things out and either let Shepard come in on his/her own or request he/she come in.

It's like getting a child to eat something they don't like; it's easier to wait them out or convince them to eat it than it is to try forcing it.

[BTG_01]

Kidnapping Shepard was a really stupid idea with a low chance of success. Failure would have come at a high cost, losing any influence Hackett still had over Shepard. Now I'm not saying that Shepard's invincible, but the people proposing the plan sounded a little too cavalier and as well as being a tad wet behind the ears. Anyway, that's the vibe I got from Hackett's very dismissive response, that he was dealing with a couple of smegheads.

[Arijharn]

I think it's more likely that Hackett is in bed with Cerberus, and/or knows something of his 'unofficial mission.'



I disagree with you DPS though, Hackett is a senior military leader, Shephard (technically?) is still his subordinate -- it's a military chain of command to which Shephard agreed to be bound by when he joined up (and Shephard doesn't seem to let a trivial case of death phase his/her duty upon his resurrection either). All Hackett needed to do was request a meeting at some point, and Shephard could either say yay or nay and then Hackett could formulate a response.



He doesn't, and the cavalier attitude in which he dismisses one of his own subordinates request in investigating Shephard, who is now known to have ties to an 'avowed enemy of the Council' is baffling to the point of being plain unrealistic, unless Hackett knew something or was working with it.

[jbblue05]

Bailyn242 wrote...

If Shepard wasn't the best Humanity had to offer then why didn't the Alliance pick that person... sorry... grasp at straws much?

Did I ever say Shepard wasn't?

Modifié par jbblue05, 16 février 2011 - 01:51 .

[DPSSOC]

Arijharn wrote...
I disagree with you DPS though, Hackett is a senior military leader, Shephard (technically?) is still his subordinate -- it's a military chain of command to which Shephard agreed to be bound by when he joined up (and Shephard doesn't seem to let a trivial case of death phase his/her duty upon his resurrection either). All Hackett needed to do was request a meeting at some point, and Shephard could either say yay or nay and then Hackett could formulate a response.

He doesn't, and the cavalier attitude in which he dismisses one of his own subordinates request in investigating Shephard, who is now known to have ties to an 'avowed enemy of the Council' is baffling to the point of being plain unrealistic, unless Hackett knew something or was working with it.

Now I'd have to re-read the dossier but I seem to recall the subordinate proposing bringing Shepard in by force.  You're right that Hackett could just request Shepard come in but if we assume he gets the info after your meeting with Anderson (which I can't see him not being informed of either way) then he knows what's what and has no need to bring Shepard in.  If we assume he gets it before your meeting (or wasn't informed of it) then he may simply be biding his time to see if you're the same Shepard he's dealt with before taking action.

[Casuist]

Shephard (technically?) is still his subordinate

"Technically" he/she is not still a subordinate, as Shepard may explicitly state on Tali's loyalty mission (and Anderson may explicitly state in ME1 as well).



While it's possible Hackett has Cerberus ties, there is no real evidence to show that is the case. Considering his actions/comments on Cerberus-related missions in ME1 and the lack of incriminating evidence uncovered in the shadow broker files, it is far more likely that he is NOT Cerberus and is simply what he appears to be (and he has ample reasons others have pointed out why to deny the abduction/interrogation request).

[pacer90]

The collectors set a trap for Shepard. Saren did. The Reapers did.

[jbblue05]

If Cerberus and the Alliance were really enemies, the Alliance would have took steps to apprehend Shepard.



Everybody knows Shepard is working with Cerberus. So why hasn't the Alliance make an example out of Shepard, Arresting Shepard would show the public they are loyal to the Council not an individual..