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[Cipher266]

Riona45 wrote...

Cipher266 wrote...

So I should not play Awakening or the DLC's? If I wanted my Warden to be mentioned as queen. I needs to know. thx.

If you choose not to play those add-ons, I'd have to agree with some others that you'd miss out on adding to your character's story in a satisfying way.  Maybe being specifically mentioned as queen is more important to you, but...isn't it enough to know that you were the queen?  Not being mentioned wouldn't change that.

Thankyou. I agree.

[darkrose]

Alixen wrote...
Nah, my Warden will be alive and kicking until they chose to die or old age claims them. In my eyes the taint can be handled a few ways, and if the potion is taken is likely not even a concern.

Yup. Between Avernus' potion and knowing that there's at least one Warden out there who may have had the taint completely removed, I'm thinking that my Warden will be around for a while--much to the chagrin of the Ferelden nobility, who wish the king's elven mistress would go off and die somewhere.

[darkrose]

otherarrow wrote...
To the OP: I think Origins might be the most important, but Awakening has some points in the end that might count in the future. 
Plus Anders/Justice.

The Anders/Justice thing is the one reason I'd consider NOT importing from Awakening. Unless we learn that there's a very good reason for Anders to have left the Wardens, as far as I'm concerned, that Anders is still in Ferelden. And the short story? It may be canon, but all of my Warden-Commanders--especially the blood mages--wouldn't have let the Chantry send a plant. That Templar would have had a mysterious accident before the Joining.

I'd almost rather start completely fresh for DA2 with no preconceptions about this Anders dude.

[demonic_cookie]

I hope there will be no happy endings. Not canon, anyway. Everyone's entitled to their own headcanon, but the game itself showed us, I think, that there are no ideal solutions in the long run. It's dark fantasy, it's supposed to be dark. Avernus might be able to do something about the taint, but it's years away unless you let him perform experiments on living people (if you do, then well, it's hardly a happy ending if it's build on torturing people).



In my personal canon Warden&Alistair will face a revolution when they don't produce the heir to the throne for a long time, and will either need to implement really harsh policies that will put them down in history as bloody tyrants or abdicate. Or, well, get killed, plunging Ferelden into an age of succession wars.



Malewarden and Anora might have a happy ending, because Bryce will probably help if there are problems with the heir >_> Or Anora would find a way; she's a smart woman. She'd find a stable boy that resembles the Warden and take care of it



Regardless, I don't think the Warden will really feature that much. The game's not about them. For all the DAO geeks who played through all the add-ons and the dlc and made a 'perfect' save any reference to our decisions will be squee-worthy, but I imagine people who will come to the game for the first time will be sort of 'huh? why should we care?'

[SomeBug]

There's dark in tone and then dark in contrivance. Happy endings do happen in life, and omitting them with unnatural 'no-win' scenarios is one of the major failings of the Dragon Age story. It creates plot holes and undoes 60 hours of narrative development.



For example; only a Warden can kill the Archdemon? That was glossed over rather quickly in order for the ending to be one of sacrifice. Had they established at any point in the previous hours of gameplay that the dragon was impervious to normal attacks it would have been less jarring, but they didn't.

[demonic_cookie]

SomeBug, I don't think it was contrived. The last time they fought the Archdemon was 400 years ago. In a world where a book's shelf life is usually no more than 10 years and with an order as secretive as the Wardens it's not unusual for the details of the demon-slaying to stay quiet. No one has actually SEEN the Archdemon before the attack on Denerim, after all.



Besides, they did give you an out. You could go the no one dies route. In dark fantasy, 'no one dies' is already an incredibly happy thing. Adding a shiny happy royal wedding on top of that, and happily ever afters, and curing the taint without crossing the moral event horizon - that would be contrived.

[SteveGarbage]

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

[nightcobra]

SteveGarbage wrote...

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

i shouldn't....i really shouldn't....but i can't resist, i have to do it.



What if you "harden" alistair?

[Rovay]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

i shouldn't....i really shouldn't....but i can't resist, i have to do it.



What if you "harden" alistair?

I'd say he moves heaven and earth to find a way to concive a child, or he would adopt a newborn child and convice everybody that it's his. Or he would declare OGB his legitimate heir.

[MKDAWUSS]

SteveGarbage wrote...

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

I think each royal outcome ends up producing no heir and thus another civil war.

[Eshaye]

-Skorpious- wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
but if you simply import the Origins save file, DAII will recognize you as queen.

It will, indeed.

So an Awakening save file won't? I'm not necessarily worried over king/queenship, but I loath Awakening's ending for the Warden. Until more info about our character (if any) is released in the future, abandoning the Grey Wardens by "disappearing" is completely out of character for my Warden. 

I assumed it would too because in my Awakening ending it told me my Cousland went back to court to rule with Alistair for a time. The disappearing part at the end has only the purpose of leaving it open for another DLC, so you can ignore that. 

SteveGarbage wrote...

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

Having children isn't the only way to provide an heir for the throne. Perhaps this is a sign the Therein line needs to end. Alistair can always pick someone else to take over, if married to Cousland her niece/nephew by Fergus would be a good pick or Fergus himself. Whatever heir the king picks is fine, but he HAS to pick one. I don't see Alistair not doing this, if anything the succession in DA3 (?) might be in jeopardy through conspiracy. 

Modifié par Eshaye, 16 février 2011 - 02:47 .

[Vhaius]

Awakening, singular, not plural.

[nightcobra]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

I think each royal outcome ends up producing no heir and thus another civil war.

anora is presumed to be unable to have kids but it could also be that cailan was just shooting blanks so a alistair/warden + anora pairing could result in a new line of kings.

[-Skorpious-]

Eshaye wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...
but if you simply import the Origins save file, DAII will recognize you as queen.

It will, indeed.

So an Awakening save file won't? I'm not necessarily worried over king/queenship, but I loath Awakening's ending for the Warden. Until more info about our character (if any) is released in the future, abandoning the Grey Wardens by "disappearing" is completely out of character for my Warden. 

I assumed it would too because in my Awakening ending it told me my Cousland went back to court to rule with Alistair for a time. The disappearing part at the end has only the purpose of leaving it open for another DLC, so you can ignore that. 

Yeah, I realized this myself a few threads ago. Originally I was a supporter of bringing back the Warden, but (the Eluvian Mirror aside) he does have a solid conclussion in my mind that I wouldn't want ruined by the official canon. 

[Victia]

I always assumed (rightly or wrongly) that the disappearing warden card was ment mostly for those who romanced morrigan and went through the mirror, and was kind of redundant for anyone else!



I too would love my queen cousland to have her happy ending (or happy ish) after all she has been through she deserves to be fed grapes from a gold diamond encrusted platter by Victoria secrets models and have a never ending supply of wine served by mega humid for the rest of the life! That said I would be happy if she lived happily with alistair until his calling, then they go in to the deep roads together!

[Auroras]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

i shouldn't....i really shouldn't....but i can't resist, i have to do it.



What if you "harden" alistair?

That's what she said.

[Auroras]

And also, I guess I'll just play through Awakenings/Golems with an Orlesian, therefore giving my Warden a happy ending in Court.



Even though I can't import multiple saves... -.-

[LobselVith8]

demonic_cookie wrote...

SomeBug, I don't think it was contrived. The last time they fought the Archdemon was 400 years ago. In a world where a book's shelf life is usually no more than 10 years and with an order as secretive as the Wardens it's not unusual for the details of the demon-slaying to stay quiet. No one has actually SEEN the Archdemon before the attack on Denerim, after all. 

I think SomeBug meant that nobody was able to even accidently kill the Archdemon during the Battle of Denerim, given how many soldiers were attacking it during the final confrontation.

[SultryVulcan]

Although I've played through all the DLC, I'm only going to import my Origins savegame.

Why?....I'm terribly worried about importing a glitched save from DLC, specifically Witch Hunt!

[MKDAWUSS]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

SteveGarbage wrote...

Marrying Alistair trades immediate happiness for long-term despair. Two Wardens won't be able to conceive a child, Alistair will die heirless and Ferelden will be plunged into civil war as the nobles race toward the top of the power vacuum.

I think each royal outcome ends up producing no heir and thus another civil war.

anora is presumed to be unable to have kids but it could also be that cailan was just shooting blanks so a alistair/warden + anora pairing could result in a new line of kings.

No heirs handwaves the field while accomodating your choice of monarch.

[errant_knight]

Yes, I think it's pretty clear that some kind of upheaval regarding an heir is in Ferelden's future. What that is might be less predictable than it seems on the face of it, though.

[Count Viceroy]

errant_knight wrote...

Yes, I think it's pretty clear that some kind of upheaval regarding an heir is in Ferelden's future. What that is might be less predictable than it seems on the face of it, though.

If you had Alistair do Morrigan, she could claim it, well her kid could, on the same grounds Alistair did.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 16 février 2011 - 05:36 .

[Madman17]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I might as well ask this again:

If I play through DAO with an Ultimate Sacrifice Warden, and then import him into DAA/Witch Hunt, will the fact Origins takes priority overrule the retconned Dark Ritual that allows the Warden to even exist in DAA as far as DA2 is concerned?

Basically, can I have a save that lets me continue to choose what happens in the story of Dragon Age despite the protagonist getting killed in Origins? Will DA2 simply assume that an Orlesian or other Warden did the events of DAA/WH? Or will the Dark Ritual become the "flag" in such a save?

Edit:  Put a third way, I want to be able to have the Warden die, and still choose what happens in DAA/WH without getting rid of the Ultimate Sacrifice.  I am not sure if this is possible.

This is the exact question i was about to ask.. anyone get any idea?

[NRO TYN]

This thread confuse the weak mind lmao



my import DA:O to DA:A to GoA to WH



So if i import WH to DA2, Da2 wont reconize my warden as King-Consort ??

[s0meguy6672]

Compared to DAO, DA: awakenings sucks in terms of quality in storywriting. The characters feel cheap, like they've been designed by a bunch of amateurs.