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[stephen1493]

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

And moreover - WHY the heck would you bring the Templars in?

I don't mind the fact that he took in a Templar into the Wardens, but I don't think my Warden would be dumb enough to put them on the same jobs, because my Warden was generally smarter than that.  Not according to Bioware, though.

I'm not talking about recruiting templars into the Wardens - I'm talking about bringing in the Chantry's templars. Even if my warden believed Anders needed to be put down, he still wouldn't involve the Chantry.

Unless I am missing something, the Templar you recruited is the one that called the templars, not you.

Regardless of which, my Warden would not have let the situation occur in the first place.

According to the short story, that templar did clear it with the Warden Commander.

Well since he's a templar we know he speaks only truth.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

And moreover - WHY the heck would you bring the Templars in?

I don't mind the fact that he took in a Templar into the Wardens, but I don't think my Warden would be dumb enough to put them on the same jobs, because my Warden was generally smarter than that.  Not according to Bioware, though.

I'm not talking about recruiting templars into the Wardens - I'm talking about bringing in the Chantry's templars. Even if my warden believed Anders needed to be put down, he still wouldn't involve the Chantry.

Unless I am missing something, the Templar you recruited is the one that called the templars, not you.

Regardless of which, my Warden would not have let the situation occur in the first place.

According to the short story, that templar did clear it with the Warden Commander.

i didnt know there was only one warden commander in all of thedas

[Reaverwind]

stephen1493 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

And moreover - WHY the heck would you bring the Templars in?

I don't mind the fact that he took in a Templar into the Wardens, but I don't think my Warden would be dumb enough to put them on the same jobs, because my Warden was generally smarter than that.  Not according to Bioware, though.

I'm not talking about recruiting templars into the Wardens - I'm talking about bringing in the Chantry's templars. Even if my warden believed Anders needed to be put down, he still wouldn't involve the Chantry.

Unless I am missing something, the Templar you recruited is the one that called the templars, not you.

Regardless of which, my Warden would not have let the situation occur in the first place.

According to the short story, that templar did clear it with the Warden Commander.

Well since he's a templar we know he speaks only truth.

Wardens were among those slaughtered - which backs up his story.

[Harid]

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Matter-of-factly our decisions are not respected. I mean I saved Anders from the Chantry. At least I thought I did, but obviously I can just give him to the templars with the same result. Same with killing Oghren in DA:O. I never killed him, mind you, but the fact that ANYONE you killed or let die can just get up again, complain a bit about the headache and can become your best buddy again is disturbing.

I mean they move away from Ferelden so your ferelden-choices don't mean much. They change the main character so again, personal decicions you made don't matter much. And then of all things a (possibly) dead companion comes back. At this point I almost feel an 'it was all a dream' twist doesn't seem much worse than this.

Exactly - and telling on the one hand all the epilogues are heresay, while on the other selling the save game transfer as a "feature" seems disconnected...I mean if essentially all the endings are meaningless (since almost everything was resolved IN the epilogues) then I ask again what is the pirpose of the save game transfer - other than to so us our choices don't matter? Seriously why have the feaure at all

Pretty much, largely, this.  If in my game I used Anders all the time and considered him a friend, then why am I not helping him with this problem he is having?  Why would I let him go?

I have a feeling they are gonna pull a Darth Revan on our Wardens more and more.

And moreover - WHY the heck would you bring the Templars in?

I don't mind the fact that he took in a Templar into the Wardens, but I don't think my Warden would be dumb enough to put them on the same jobs, because my Warden was generally smarter than that.  Not according to Bioware, though.

If your referenceing the short story, It was never said that it was YOUR Warden who gave him that assignment.

Last I checked, my Warden was the Warden Commander of Fereldan.  My warden would not have sent him to another country.  But whatever.  I can't believe there are people defending this.

You are Commander, and Anders is a recruit. There are liuetenants and Captains in between to give orders along with Wheissapt to contradict you.  Either Way he's a mage and Mages are always in demand for military actions. He probably went to where he was needed.

Just because he helped you mop up Amaranthine doesn't mean he wanted to be tied to your hip for the next couple of years.  I'm defending it for the sole reason that the short story makes perfect sense to me.

I don't believe the Wardens work that way, while you are correct about Weisshapt, there isn't anything I could remember about other people in the hierarchy besides the Warden Commander.  Regardless of which, my Warden would have kept him around.  Last I checked, I recruited two mages into the Wardens during the Darkspawn Civil War, and I didn't like that other one.

Keep in mind, you are speculating as much as everyone else, when you think Bioware thought to keep the friendship you may have with Anders in the picture for DA2.  I am basing it off of past Bioware releases, and how they tend to disregard that sort of thing.  See Mass Effect 2, Baldur's Gate 2, etc.

[ArcanistLibram]

If it wasn't already, this thread is even worse than Star Trek vs Star Wars. At least sfdebris solved that debate through boobs.

[Daerog]

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

And moreover - WHY the heck would you bring the Templars in?

I don't mind the fact that he took in a Templar into the Wardens, but I don't think my Warden would be dumb enough to put them on the same jobs, because my Warden was generally smarter than that.  Not according to Bioware, though.

I'm not talking about recruiting templars into the Wardens - I'm talking about bringing in the Chantry's templars. Even if my warden believed Anders needed to be put down, he still wouldn't involve the Chantry.

Unless I am missing something, the Templar you recruited is the one that called the templars, not you.

Regardless of which, my Warden would not have let the situation occur in the first place.

According to the short story, that templar did clear it with the Warden Commander.

Maybe the Origins Warden was called away and another Commander was set in his/her place while he/she was gone. Or, maybe this short story is not connected with everyone's world and can be disregarded by those who can't see that story fitting with how they interacted with Anders. Works for mine, so it works for me, if it doesn't work for you, disregard it. The "canon" will be what is in the game. Not what is on the forums. One can take it as canon, but if the game contradicts it, the game is taken as truth.

[stephen1493]

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Harid wrote...

bluewolv1970 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Matter-of-factly our decisions are not respected. I mean I saved Anders from the Chantry. At least I thought I did, but obviously I can just give him to the templars with the same result. Same with killing Oghren in DA:O. I never killed him, mind you, but the fact that ANYONE you killed or let die can just get up again, complain a bit about the headache and can become your best buddy again is disturbing.

I mean they move away from Ferelden so your ferelden-choices don't mean much. They change the main character so again, personal decicions you made don't matter much. And then of all things a (possibly) dead companion comes back. At this point I almost feel an 'it was all a dream' twist doesn't seem much worse than this.

Exactly - and telling on the one hand all the epilogues are heresay, while on the other selling the save game transfer as a "feature" seems disconnected...I mean if essentially all the endings are meaningless (since almost everything was resolved IN the epilogues) then I ask again what is the pirpose of the save game transfer - other than to so us our choices don't matter? Seriously why have the feaure at all

Pretty much, largely, this.  If in my game I used Anders all the time and considered him a friend, then why am I not helping him with this problem he is having?  Why would I let him go?

I have a feeling they are gonna pull a Darth Revan on our Wardens more and more.

And moreover - WHY the heck would you bring the Templars in?

I don't mind the fact that he took in a Templar into the Wardens, but I don't think my Warden would be dumb enough to put them on the same jobs, because my Warden was generally smarter than that.  Not according to Bioware, though.

If your referenceing the short story, It was never said that it was YOUR Warden who gave him that assignment.

Last I checked, my Warden was the Warden Commander of Fereldan.  My warden would not have sent him to another country.  But whatever.  I can't believe there are people defending this.

You are Commander, and Anders is a recruit. There are liuetenants and Captains in between to give orders along with Wheissapt to contradict you.  Either Way he's a mage and Mages are always in demand for military actions. He probably went to where he was needed.

Just because he helped you mop up Amaranthine doesn't mean he wanted to be tied to your hip for the next couple of years.  I'm defending it for the sole reason that the short story makes perfect sense to me.

I don't believe the Wardens work that way, while you are correct about Weisshapt, there isn't anything I could remember about other people in the hierarchy besides the Warden Commander.  Regardless of which, my Warden would have kept him around.  Last I checked, I recruited two mages into the Wardens during the Darkspawn Civil War, and I didn't like that other one.

Keep in mind, you are speculating as much as everyone else, when you think Bioware thought to keep the friendship you may have with Anders in the picture for DA2.  I am basing it off of past Bioware releases, and how they tend to disregard that sort of thing.  See Mass Effect 2, Baldur's Gate 2, etc.

Whose to say that both mages weren't ordered away?  Your speculating just as much as I am when you say that Your warden wouldn't let him go, when we don't even know the exact circumstances of his leaving.

My point was that there are very good reasons for Anders to be taken away for the short story and my speculation was just one example of what could have happened.

[Reaverwind]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Maybe the Origins Warden was called away and another Commander was set in his/her place while he/she was gone. Or, maybe this short story is not connected with everyone's world and can be disregarded by those who can't see that story fitting with how they interacted with Anders. Works for mine, so it works for me, if it doesn't work for you, disregard it. The "canon" will be what is in the game. Not what is on the forums. One can take it as canon, but if the game contradicts it, the game is taken as truth.

Nah - I'm not going to bother with any imports from Awakening. It never happened.

[stephen1493]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

If it wasn't already, this thread is even worse than Star Trek vs Star Wars. At least sfdebris solved that debate through boobs.

I like where your going with this... 

In all seriousness, If you don't like the thread then feel free to leave. We are discussing the import feature and epilouge tie-ins.   Importing is the new main reason that many fans are flocking to the company.  Being the avid fans WE are then it makes perfect sense for us to be concerned about it.

Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 04:11 .

[Reaverwind]

stephen1493 wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

If it wasn't already, this thread is even worse than Star Trek vs Star Wars. At least sfdebris solved that debate through boobs.

I like where your going with this...

In all seriousness, If you don't like the thread then feel free to leave. We are discussing the import feature and epilouge tie-ins and importing is the new main reason that many fans are flocking to the company.  Being the avid fans WE are then it makes perfect sense for us to be concerned about it.

I thought the import feature was a clever marketing ploy to encourage sales of the older game, but with all the hand-waving going on - what's the point?

[TJPags]

stephen1493 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Dalish owning land hasn't occured since the Chantry's exalted march. It's almost  unprecedented and could easily lead to something more. It's been stated that with reinforcements that the Dwarves recovered many Thaigs for there kingdom with that support.

I suppose the Couseland thing is more subquest than boon, but it is still origin specific

Either way you can't say that Bioware isn't going to give us a good reference for our Warden's origin.

Except that now we know that epilogue slides - which is where we learn that - are rumor and hearsay.  So - didn't happen. 

Some account are false so all are false? come on now. you can do better than that.

That boon specifically should have a larger place in the story due to an interview I read where dev's talked about import and a slight emphasis they played on who's ruling Fereldan and Orzammar..

Actually, I don't have to do better than that.

By stating that they treat the epilogue slides as rumor and hearsay, they have compromised the validity of any argument based on the epilogue slides.  We - the players - cannot know which ones are fact, and which are false.  Therefore, none of them have any validity anymore.

fair enough. It feels like your taking the easy way out but I'll respect your stance.

Well, I'm taking the easy way out because Bioware gave it to me.  Believe me, I'd rather not.  I've had many a discussion in the Origins section about the choices we made, and used epilogue slides as evidence for and against positions, tried to explain them, rationalize them, minimize them, etc. 

They really have lost any validity as part of an intelligent or rational discussion.

However - since I still like to discuss them :

The way elves are treated is pretty universal.  Ferelden is generally regarded as a backwater, backwards nation, based on what we hear from Zev, Leli, etc.  So I'm not sure that Ferelden giving some land to the Dalish would be viewed as anything other than some more Ferelden madness - likely having something to do with dogs.  Or mud.  Or both.

With the Anvil destroyed, the Dwarves can't make golems.  Ferelden forces, as I mentioned before, were largely decimated between the battle at Ostagar - half the army gone - the subsequent civil war, and then the battle at Denerim.  The garrison of Redcliffe is largely wiped out by Connor, as is a portion of the Highever garrison by Howe (yes, the larger part was with Fergus, and likely took losses battling darkspawn during the events of Origins, and perhaps again during the Battle of Denerim).  The dwarves also took losses.

Let's not forget, also, the darkspawn incursion at Amaranthine during Awakening, which clearly occupies the forces there.

Bottom line, I'm not sure how much help the dwarves can actually count on getting, how much help it might be, or how long it might take . . .and the longer it takes, the more chance that whoever rules Ferelden after Anora or Alistair stops helping.

I'm still not sure what Cousland thing you mean.  Cousland options, if I recall correctly, are marrying the monarch, being named Teryn of Gwaren, or choosing one of the other boons, no?  Or do you mean a child of a Cousland warden as heir to the throne?  If so, given Grey Warden fertility rates (we're told they are low) and Anora's lack of an heir during her marriage to Caillan (granted, there can be many reasons, but her not being the most fertile woman in the world is one possibility) that's not a high probablity, IMO.

Is that better? 

[Harid]

stephen1493 wrote...

Whose to say that both mages weren't ordered away?  Your speculating just as much as I am when you say that Your warden wouldn't let him go, when we don't even know the exact circumstances of his leaving.

My point was that there are very good reasons for Anders to be taken away for the short story and my speculation was just one example of what could have happened.

And yet, even with any number of possibilities one could create for excusing Bioware's handwaving, the fact is my Warden was a friend of Anders, and would have gone after him to get resolution on the matter.  We know that will not occur.

The point is, why even bother to import information from Awakening if Bioware is going to make the story go down whatever path they damn well please?  One could go further with Origins data as well.  (and apparently someone already has)

Modifié par Harid, 16 février 2011 - 04:15 .

[White_Buffalo94]

TJPags wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Taleroth wrote...

TJPags wrote...

Perhaps, but we have confirmation that it won't happen.  And frankly, there was no reason to believe it would, anyway.

Irving thought it would happen.  And he seems a pretty smart guy.

He does seem fairly smart.

He should have known, therefore, that the Mage Towers are controlled by the Chantry, which is itself not subject to the control of the ruler of Ferelden.

It would be like the President of the United States telling the Pope that Catholic Priests are allowed to get married.

I don't think that the Pope enforces that particular doctrine by using military force within US borders.

He entirely has the power and authority to remove Templars from the tower.

And the Templars the right to kill every mage in the Tower before they leave.  Remember, they didn't ask the ruler of Ferelden for the Right of Annulment - they asked the (whatever the title is of the person in charge of the Chantry - damn my memory).

Or are you saying they would just kick the entire Chantry out of Ferelden?  Do I hear an exalted march?

Exalted March: The words that are the fuel to why I am going to destroy the Chantry. All they are are a bunch of wussies that invade other peoples for not abiding by the maker, or as I like to refer to him as the Skypimp that wants nothing to do with a bunch of asskissers

[Daerog]

Reaverwind wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

If it wasn't already, this thread is even worse than Star Trek vs Star Wars. At least sfdebris solved that debate through boobs.

I like where your going with this...

In all seriousness, If you don't like the thread then feel free to leave. We are discussing the import feature and epilouge tie-ins and importing is the new main reason that many fans are flocking to the company.  Being the avid fans WE are then it makes perfect sense for us to be concerned about it.

I thought the import feature was a clever marketing ploy to encourage sales of the older game, but with all the hand-waving going on - what's the point?

To help with some dialogue here and there. What else?
Honestly, I was floored when I heard that DA2 was going to have an import feature. I thought that was just going to be an ME thing. BW never mentioned importing Origins into 2 until DA2 was announced. They did importing with Awakening, but that was just an expansion, like with NWN and such.

They could just do away with importing, and just have dialogue choices that made the backstory, like with KotOR 2. But, I don't know, this importing thing sounds like it could get complicated by Dragon Age 5.

Edit: Unless they just bounce around the world of course. Eventually something big needs to happen to wipe the slate clean, like a nation getting conquered or whatever.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 16 février 2011 - 04:21 .

[Veex]

Reaverwind wrote...

I thought the import feature was a clever marketing ploy to encourage sales of the older game, but with all the hand-waving going on - what's the point?

Harid wrote...

The point is, why even bother to import information from Awakening if Bioware is going to make the story go down whatever path they damn well please?  One could go further with Origins data as well.  (and apparently someone already has)

If you're not interested in any of the possible choices that may transfer, despite a few or the majority or all of them being handwaved over, don't use the function. The good news is you aren't forced to import, right?

[Harid]

Veex wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

I thought the import feature was a clever marketing ploy to encourage sales of the older game, but with all the hand-waving going on - what's the point?

Harid wrote...

The point is, why even bother to import information from Awakening if Bioware is going to make the story go down whatever path they damn well please?  One could go further with Origins data as well.  (and apparently someone already has)

If you're not interested in any of the possible choices that may transfer, despite a few or the majority or all of them being handwaved over, don't use the function. The good news is you aren't forced to import, right?

The game was marketed on the fact that your choices mattered from pretty much the jump.  Whe Bioware states that initally, and then goes on to say all the epilogues were rumors, and by proxy have become bull****, they are essentially saying our choices do not matter.  You guys, then don't see why people are mad about that.  Hey, don't get mad about false advertising, just buy the product anyway!  The stones on some of you. . .

Modifié par Harid, 16 février 2011 - 04:24 .

[bluewolv1970]

Reaverwind wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

ArcanistLibram wrote...

If it wasn't already, this thread is even worse than Star Trek vs Star Wars. At least sfdebris solved that debate through boobs.

I like where your going with this...

In all seriousness, If you don't like the thread then feel free to leave. We are discussing the import feature and epilouge tie-ins and importing is the new main reason that many fans are flocking to the company.  Being the avid fans WE are then it makes perfect sense for us to be concerned about it.

I thought the import feature was a clever marketing ploy to encourage sales of the older game, but with all the hand-waving going on - what's the point?

exactly - I mean using DA approval -  making our choices matter +10, have NO save game transfer at all 0, having a save game feature that tells us our choices were wrong and makes all the epilogues pointless  -10...

[stephen1493]

TJPags wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

TJPags wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Dalish owning land hasn't occured since the Chantry's exalted march. It's almost  unprecedented and could easily lead to something more. It's been stated that with reinforcements that the Dwarves recovered many Thaigs for there kingdom with that support.

I suppose the Couseland thing is more subquest than boon, but it is still origin specific

Either way you can't say that Bioware isn't going to give us a good reference for our Warden's origin.

Except that now we know that epilogue slides - which is where we learn that - are rumor and hearsay.  So - didn't happen. 

Some account are false so all are false? come on now. you can do better than that.

That boon specifically should have a larger place in the story due to an interview I read where dev's talked about import and a slight emphasis they played on who's ruling Fereldan and Orzammar..

Actually, I don't have to do better than that.

By stating that they treat the epilogue slides as rumor and hearsay, they have compromised the validity of any argument based on the epilogue slides.  We - the players - cannot know which ones are fact, and which are false.  Therefore, none of them have any validity anymore.

fair enough. It feels like your taking the easy way out but I'll respect your stance.

Well, I'm taking the easy way out because Bioware gave it to me.  Believe me, I'd rather not.  I've had many a discussion in the Origins section about the choices we made, and used epilogue slides as evidence for and against positions, tried to explain them, rationalize them, minimize them, etc. 

They really have lost any validity as part of an intelligent or rational discussion.

However - since I still like to discuss them :

The way elves are treated is pretty universal.  Ferelden is generally regarded as a backwater, backwards nation, based on what we hear from Zev, Leli, etc.  So I'm not sure that Ferelden giving some land to the Dalish would be viewed as anything other than some more Ferelden madness - likely having something to do with dogs.  Or mud.  Or both.

With the Anvil destroyed, the Dwarves can't make golems.  Ferelden forces, as I mentioned before, were largely decimated between the battle at Ostagar - half the army gone - the subsequent civil war, and then the battle at Denerim.  The garrison of Redcliffe is largely wiped out by Connor, as is a portion of the Highever garrison by Howe (yes, the larger part was with Fergus, and likely took losses battling darkspawn during the events of Origins, and perhaps again during the Battle of Denerim).  The dwarves also took losses.

Let's not forget, also, the darkspawn incursion at Amaranthine during Awakening, which clearly occupies the forces there.

Bottom line, I'm not sure how much help the dwarves can actually count on getting, how much help it might be, or how long it might take . . .and the longer it takes, the more chance that whoever rules Ferelden after Anora or Alistair stops helping.

I'm still not sure what Cousland thing you mean.  Cousland options, if I recall correctly, are marrying the monarch, being named Teryn of Gwaren, or choosing one of the other boons, no?  Or do you mean a child of a Cousland warden as heir to the throne?  If so, given Grey Warden fertility rates (we're told they are low) and Anora's lack of an heir during her marriage to Caillan (granted, there can be many reasons, but her not being the most fertile woman in the world is one possibility) that's not a high probablity, IMO.

Is that better? 

Oh yeah!! That's Crazy Better!!

Fereldan is due to have some crazy respect thrown it's way for single handidly defeating the Blight.  An unprecedented action like the Dalish getting land from the newly crowned internnational superpower is easibly a large reaching action. Especially so now that we will be conversing with a Dalish party member as well as meeting an entire clan, which incidentally the Warden Commander came from.

Who's to say that what's left wouldn't be enough? Half the army being sent, realistically i suppose they'd probably only send half of that even, numbers in the tens of thousands.  The dwarven army can easily coincide with tens of thousands of reinforcements to actually make an active campaign of reclaiming Thaigs from the, then retrreating, and demoralized darkspawn. The majority of such darkspawn currently being culled far away in Amaranthine.  Even then we must remember that such a campaign we can expect to be longlasting, giving Fereldan plenty of time to replenish their supplies.

Amaranthine only received a contingent of soldiers from the king.  Only a bit more than the same as any other arl out there.

Fiona got pregnant so it's not completly unheard of to expect a child.  If such a case that an heir won't come from Anora, then I would expect that another child you could make would be a suitable heir.  Anora cares about Fereldan, she wouldn't leave it heirless just becasue an heir doesn't come from her.

That was a lot of typing.

I wonder what the rest of the thread is talking about right now.
If we got locked I'll get so mad.

[stephen1493]

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Whose to say that both mages weren't ordered away?  Your speculating just as much as I am when you say that Your warden wouldn't let him go, when we don't even know the exact circumstances of his leaving.

My point was that there are very good reasons for Anders to be taken away for the short story and my speculation was just one example of what could have happened.

And yet, even with any number of possibilities one could create for excusing Bioware's handwaving, the fact is my Warden was a friend of Anders, and would have gone after him to get resolution on the matter.  We know that will not occur.

The point is, why even bother to import information from Awakening if Bioware is going to make the story go down whatever path they damn well please?  One could go further with Origins data as well.  (and apparently someone already has)

1. And my Warden was Prince consort to Fereldan, so he would never go be some arl for Amaranthine.

Oh wait...

2. If the whole concept has been ruined for you because the devs decided to treat epilouges like they did the codex, Then feel free not to import.

[Reaverwind]

Harid wrote...

The game was marketed on the fact that your choices mattered from pretty much the jump.  Whe Bioware states that initally, and then goes on to say all the epilogues were rumors, and by proxy have become bull****, they are essentially saying our choices do not matter.  You guys, then don't see why people are mad about that.  Hey, don't get mad about false advertising, just buy the product anyway!  The stones on some of you. . .

It always irked me that a lot of the choices didn't matter until the epilogue, but now that the epilogues don't matter...

[Harid]

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Whose to say that both mages weren't ordered away?  Your speculating just as much as I am when you say that Your warden wouldn't let him go, when we don't even know the exact circumstances of his leaving.

My point was that there are very good reasons for Anders to be taken away for the short story and my speculation was just one example of what could have happened.

And yet, even with any number of possibilities one could create for excusing Bioware's handwaving, the fact is my Warden was a friend of Anders, and would have gone after him to get resolution on the matter.  We know that will not occur.

The point is, why even bother to import information from Awakening if Bioware is going to make the story go down whatever path they damn well please?  One could go further with Origins data as well.  (and apparently someone already has)

1. And my Warden was Prince consort to Fereldan, so he would never go be some arl for Amaranthine.

Oh wait...

2. If the whole concept has been ruined for you because the devs decided to treat epilouges like they did the codex, Then feel free not to import.

I have never postulated on the choices of your warden.  Conversely, you have, on the choices of mine.  And somehow, I'm the ****.  Ok.  I'm done with you.

[Daerog]

Harid wrote...

The game was marketed on the fact that your choices mattered from pretty much the jump.  Hey, don't get mad about false advertising, just buy the product anyway!  The stones on some of you. . .

The choices did matter. You could become king. Which was a choice that mattered. Is it a choice that the rest of the world of Thedas should care about? No. Is Anders popping up in DA2 completely contradict what happened in DA:OA? No, Justice must have rezzed Anders and met him later while Anders wandered the Fade.

Your choices did matter. They impacted the world. Booing that Anders is back is like booing when the ghost of ObiWan kenobi is seen by Luke. Luke chose to not follow Obi, and the consequence was Obi dying. But now he is back as a ghost. Player let Anders die, Anders found some way to come back. Not because it went against a choice you made, but because that is how the world keeps going.

Now, does the short story contradict some choices some people made? Yes. Is the short story canon? No, the game is "canon." Your canon.

The short story is just for people to get an idea of the character.

[Veex]

Harid wrote...

The game was marketed on the fact that your choices mattered from pretty much the jump.  Hey, don't get mad about false advertising, just buy the product anyway!  The stones on some of you. . .

Your choices did matter in Origins. If you don't think your choices will matter in Dragon Age 2 you aren't required to purchase the game. Good luck finding a legal ruling on what "matters" means by the way.

I can understand voicing your discontent, but if you're going to completely dismiss the transfer function and the impact it may have because of one, or two, or a handful of decisions that don't make sense to you (yet, as you haven't played DA2) then you can completely avoid the issue by not using said function. I get it, the transfer function doesn't account for every decision. I wish BioWare had the resources to make that possible. They don't, so you can either not purchase the game, not use the transfer function, or use it and try and get past your grievances.

[stephen1493]

I'm done trying to be moses parting this red sea of hate. Feel free to bash Bioware all you want, but I'll warn you that hate threads adding nothing new to the conversation tend to get the LOCKDOWN. Bioware isn't perfect, see my banner, but in the end everyone here seems to be bashing them for not having our choices matter in a game that NONE of us has played yet to be sure.

[PrinceOfFallout13]

Harid wrote...

Veex wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

I thought the import feature was a clever marketing ploy to encourage sales of the older game, but with all the hand-waving going on - what's the point?

Harid wrote...

The point is, why even bother to import information from Awakening if Bioware is going to make the story go down whatever path they damn well please?  One could go further with Origins data as well.  (and apparently someone already has)

If you're not interested in any of the possible choices that may transfer, despite a few or the majority or all of them being handwaved over, don't use the function. The good news is you aren't forced to import, right?

The game was marketed on the fact that your choices mattered from pretty much the jump.  Whe Bioware states that initally, and then goes on to say all the epilogues were rumors, and by proxy have become bull****, they are essentially saying our choices do not matter.  You guys, then don't see why people are mad about that.  Hey, don't get mad about false advertising, just buy the product anyway!  The stones on some of you. . .

in origins if you romance leliana and leave with her it says in the epilogue that they went away yet in awakenings he is there explain that