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TJPags wrote...
I'd rather have not gotten the epilogue slides than find out that they are essentially meaningless.
RosaAquafire wrote...
I would really rather a great, involving, well-written story than Bioware paying homage to one of fifteen different tepid epilogue slides.
Depends what you consider the ending. An epilog slide is not an ending. And besides there are clear ways Anders and Justice could have happened which David Gaider has implied. It doesn't contradict anything.bluewolv1970 wrote...
DA and Me are apples and oranges IMO...In ME the only real issues are the actual consequences of decisions and with it being a trilogy I always expected the big consequences (Rachni ETC) to pay of in 3...That said they were consistent with what we actually did (wrex dead or alive etc) UNLIKE DA which simply habdwaves character deaths and tells us endings are pointless...
The epilouge's are considered as rumors, and yet you go on to say that means your choices were are bull****. What you've done is going to be addressed and yet you go on to say that your choices don't matter. Whether that's the makeing of a troll, I leave the Bioware community to decide.Harid wrote...
Veex wrote...
Harid wrote...
I can deal with a couple of the choices not mattering, because it was neccessary for their story. Conversely, I should not be told that my choices were complete bull**** by the head writers here when they initially stated my choices are supposed to matter. It's disingenuous, and given the bad press Bioware has on this game from the non 'game journalists', it's not something they should ever outright say.
Treating the epilogues as hearsay and rumor doesn't mean the choices don't matter. It means that, like Varric's tale or any other codex entry etc..., they are a part of Thedas' history. The story of Andraste, of how the Darkspawn are created, all of this information that we hold as facts are essentially rumors. David Gaider is saying that, like much of Thedas' history, some or all of the epilogue may be exaggerated or based on rumor or based on truth.
I think you're being a little disingenous when you say that all of your choices were complete bull****. I don't think it's even necessary to address your press issue.
An exaggeration of a fact is bull****, by the very definition, it's precisely what Cassandra calls Varric's "exaggerations". I'm not being disingenous at all.
Love how I'm considered a troll, by the way. If we want to throw out stupid blanket terminology for those who do not agree with us, I think I'll start referring to you people as the Bioware Defense Force . *rollseyes*
Harid wrote...
I'm not being disingenous at all.
Good thing they never did. It was us who assumed they were absolute truth and now most of us are upset now that some of us JUST figured out that they weren't. That's spawned from entitlement which brings us back to the Bethany and Carver anger wave.Harid wrote...
RosaAquafire wrote...
I would really rather a great, involving, well-written story than Bioware paying homage to one of fifteen different tepid epilogue slides.
If Bioware is being truthful in the fact that they are planning this, they should not have put forth Epilogue slides as truth in the first place.
But whatever.
Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 février 2011 - 05:44 .
Veex wrote...
Harid wrote...
I'm not being disingenous at all.
When you accuse BioWare of making all of your choices bull**** without any knowledge of what actually transfers you are in fact being disingenous. As I said earlier you're free to be dissapointed to whatever extent you see fit. Have an enjoyable evening.
Modifié par Harid, 16 février 2011 - 05:23 .
Cuthlan wrote...
When you allow for player choice, you run the risk of eventually ignoring the continuity of the small percentage of players that take certain choices.
In other words: Sorry you made the wrong choice. Anders is awesome.
kyles3 wrote...
Writers gonna write.
Something that isn't verified but most people take it as true? Seems perfect to meHarid wrote...
Veex wrote...
Harid wrote...
I'm not being disingenous at all.
When you accuse BioWare of making all of your choices bull**** without any knowledge of what actually transfers you are in fact being disingenous. As I said earlier you're free to be dissapointed to whatever extent you see fit. Have an enjoyable evening.
To define a rumor, from Wikipedia;
A rumor or rumour (see spelling differences)
is often viewed as "an unverified account or explanation of events
circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or
issue in public concern" (33)[1] However, a review of the research on rumor conducted by Pendleton in 1998 found that research across sociology, psychology, and communication studies had widely varying definitions of rumor.[2] Thus, rumor is a concept that lacks a particular definition in the social sciences. But most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed.
Rumors, are generally considered the very definition of bull****. Perhaps rumor was not the best choice of words for the devs to use.
I don't know what or what not will carry over. But when I am told my choices may be retconned at any notice, I cannot in the same hand feel that my choices will matter.
Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 05:24 .
stephen1493 wrote...
Something that isn't verified but most people take it as true? Seems perfect to meHarid wrote...
Veex wrote...
Harid wrote...
I'm not being disingenous at all.
When you accuse BioWare of making all of your choices bull**** without any knowledge of what actually transfers you are in fact being disingenous. As I said earlier you're free to be dissapointed to whatever extent you see fit. Have an enjoyable evening.
To define a rumor, from Wikipedia;
A rumor or rumour (see spelling differences)
is often viewed as "an unverified account or explanation of events
circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or
issue in public concern" (33)[1] However, a review of the research on rumor conducted by Pendleton in 1998 found that research across sociology, psychology, and communication studies had widely varying definitions of rumor.[2] Thus, rumor is a concept that lacks a particular definition in the social sciences. But most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed.
Rumors, are generally considered the very definition of bull****. Perhaps rumor was not the best choice of words for the devs to use.
I don't know what or what not will carry over. But when I am told my choices may be retconned at any notice, I cannot in the same hand feel that my choices will matter.
Ethical wrote...
Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...
speaking of killing off characters.. funny how if you dont go along with Morrigans ritual and you slay the Archdemon you die .. but you can import your character from Origins to Awakening... and it makes no sense but it works XD
It has been addressed that the game changes your choices so its like you did accept the ritual and the warden doesn't die, so it does make sense.
As for Anders situation in kirkwall being canon: unless anders body was shredded to dust right in front of your eyes, and a chantry priest exorcised Justice and forever sealed him, It is not cannon. There are ways Anders and justice unite to go to Kirkwall, just use imagination. I mean we are playing an RPG and you will have so much more fun if you exercise your imagination.
So they never confirmed it? Seems absolutly perfect now that Anders is coming back. Yep the word rumor fits just right.Harid wrote...
stephen1493 wrote...
Something that isn't verified but most people take it as true? Seems perfect to meHarid wrote...
Veex wrote...
Harid wrote...
I'm not being disingenous at all.
When you accuse BioWare of making all of your choices bull**** without any knowledge of what actually transfers you are in fact being disingenous. As I said earlier you're free to be dissapointed to whatever extent you see fit. Have an enjoyable evening.
To define a rumor, from Wikipedia;
A rumor or rumour (see spelling differences)
is often viewed as "an unverified account or explanation of events
circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or
issue in public concern" (33)[1] However, a review of the research on rumor conducted by Pendleton in 1998 found that research across sociology, psychology, and communication studies had widely varying definitions of rumor.[2] Thus, rumor is a concept that lacks a particular definition in the social sciences. But most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed.
Rumors, are generally considered the very definition of bull****. Perhaps rumor was not the best choice of words for the devs to use.
I don't know what or what not will carry over. But when I am told my choices may be retconned at any notice, I cannot in the same hand feel that my choices will matter.
Bolded it for you. In case you needed to notice it.
Harid wrote...
Rumors, are generally considered the very definition of bull****. Perhaps rumor was not the best choice of words for the devs to use.
I don't know what or what not will carry over. But when I am told my choices may be retconned at any notice, I cannot in the same hand feel that my choices will matter.
Neurotoxin wrote...
Wouldn't it just be better to play the game, see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things? What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue, then we play DA2....
And the reason is actually really good? For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive, it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all. But for those of us with these issues, we really have no clue how it works. We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....
Speculation is fun, of course. But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?
Neurotoxin wrote...
Wouldn't it just be better to play the game, see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things? What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue, then we play DA2....
And the reason is actually really good? For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive, it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all. But for those of us with these issues, we really have no clue how it works. We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....
Speculation is fun, of course. But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?
Too much fun. I hang out with people who only get upset over things that aren't petty. It's nice to see the other side.Rake21 wrote...
Neurotoxin wrote...
Wouldn't it just be better to play the game, see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things? What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue, then we play DA2....
And the reason is actually really good? For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive, it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all. But for those of us with these issues, we really have no clue how it works. We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....
Speculation is fun, of course. But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?
This
DaerogTheDhampir wrote...
Checks and balances, fanboys (me included) and "haters" keep these forums going. Pros and cons. Critics and cultists.
stephen1493 wrote...
So they never confirmed it? Seems absolutly perfect now that Anders is coming back. Yep the word rumor fits just right.Harid wrote...
stephen1493 wrote...
Something that isn't verified but most people take it as true? Seems perfect to meHarid wrote...
Veex wrote...
Harid wrote...
I'm not being disingenous at all.
When you accuse BioWare of making all of your choices bull**** without any knowledge of what actually transfers you are in fact being disingenous. As I said earlier you're free to be dissapointed to whatever extent you see fit. Have an enjoyable evening.
To define a rumor, from Wikipedia;
A rumor or rumour (see spelling differences)
is often viewed as "an unverified account or explanation of events
circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or
issue in public concern" (33)[1] However, a review of the research on rumor conducted by Pendleton in 1998 found that research across sociology, psychology, and communication studies had widely varying definitions of rumor.[2] Thus, rumor is a concept that lacks a particular definition in the social sciences. But most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed.
Rumors, are generally considered the very definition of bull****. Perhaps rumor was not the best choice of words for the devs to use.
I don't know what or what not will carry over. But when I am told my choices may be retconned at any notice, I cannot in the same hand feel that my choices will matter.
Bolded it for you. In case you needed to notice it.
Harid wrote...
Neurotoxin wrote...
Wouldn't it just be better to play the game, see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things? What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue, then we play DA2....
And the reason is actually really good? For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive, it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all. But for those of us with these issues, we really have no clue how it works. We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....
Speculation is fun, of course. But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?
The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale. Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?
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