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[stephen1493]

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Don't? Try to see the lighter side and trust in them to make a good game anyway.

[Harid]

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Grievances that could very well be unfounded?

Based on your logic, your defense could be unwarranted too.

See how that works?

[Harid]

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Don't? Try to see the lighter side and trust in them to make a good game anyway.

I have no reason to, based on Bioware history. . .and the circular argument keeps circling, because you people can't read.  I love this.

[Meer]

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

But what I'm saying is...you don't *know* that it's been handled the way you think it is, and that was my point.  You definitely have a right to air your greivances,  but what if there's no problem with the handling after you play?  It's possible you're worrying needlessly and perhaps the wording someone used made you think everything is barrelled over instead of properly handled.

[stephen1493]

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Veex wrote...

Harid wrote...

I'm not being disingenous at all.

When you accuse BioWare of making all of your choices bull**** without any knowledge of what actually transfers you are in fact being disingenous. As I said earlier you're free to be dissapointed to whatever extent you see fit. Have an enjoyable evening.

To define a rumor, from Wikipedia;

A rumor or rumour (see spelling differences)
is often viewed as "an unverified account or explanation of events
circulating from person to person and pertaining to an object, event, or
issue in public concern" (33)[1] However, a review of the research on rumor conducted by Pendleton in 1998 found that research across sociology, psychology, and communication studies had widely varying definitions of rumor.[2] Thus, rumor is a concept that lacks a particular definition in the social sciences. But most theories agree that rumor involves some kind of a statement whose veracity is not quickly or ever confirmed.

Rumors, are generally considered the very definition of bull****.  Perhaps rumor was not the best choice of words for the devs to use.

I don't know what or what not will carry over.  But when I am told my choices may be retconned at any notice, I cannot in the same hand feel that my choices will matter.

Something that isn't verified but most people take it as true? Seems perfect to me

Bolded it for you.  In case you needed to notice it.

So they never confirmed it?  Seems absolutly perfect now that Anders is coming back. Yep the word rumor fits just right.

Rumor contradicts my game choices.  Rumors are known to be bull****.  I've stated this quite a bit of times.  If you wish to be sardonic, waste someone elses time.  I'm done with you.

You had a game choice to erase all rumors from the real world?! I must have missed that quest.

Also I've seen you type "I'm done with you" quite a few times.
I don't think you know what it means. Better pull up wikipedia.

[Rake21]

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Grievances that could very well be unfounded?

Based on your logic, your defense could be unwarranted too.

See how that works?

True, and we could easily argue in a ****ing circle all night, but that ain't gonna get us anywhere.  The question is, if I'm wrong, is the "handwave" enough to make you want to not buy this game?

[stephen1493]

Harid wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Don't? Try to see the lighter side and trust in them to make a good game anyway.

I have no reason to, based on Bioware history. . .and the circular argument keeps circling, because you people can't read.  I love this.

then stop buying bioware games if you can't look past petty installments in there games like rumors. Excuse Bioware for wanting to make a realistic world.

[Harid]

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Grievances that could very well be unfounded?

Based on your logic, your defense could be unwarranted too.

See how that works?

True, and we could easily argue in a ****ing circle all night, but that ain't gonna get us anywhere.  The question is, if I'm wrong, is the "handwave" enough to make you want to not buy this game?

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

[stephen1493]

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Grievances that could very well be unfounded?

Based on your logic, your defense could be unwarranted too.

See how that works?

True, and we could easily argue in a ****ing circle all night, but that ain't gonna get us anywhere.  The question is, if I'm wrong, is the "handwave" enough to make you want to not buy this game?

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

DO IT!!!

OMG !!! YOU NEED TO CANCEL IT!!!
you'll feel so much better afterwards, you know you want to.

[bluewolv1970]

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

Grievances that could very well be unfounded?

Based on your logic, your defense could be unwarranted too.

See how that works?

True, and we could easily argue in a ****ing circle all night, but that ain't gonna get us anywhere.  The question is, if I'm wrong, is the "handwave" enough to make you want to not buy this game?

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

exactly

[Harid]

Neurotoxin wrote...

Harid wrote...

Neurotoxin wrote...

 Wouldn't it just be better to play the game,  see how the Anders thing is handled, then come back here and say all of these things?  What if we're all arguing about what happened to him in the Awakening Epilogue,  then we play DA2....

And the reason is actually really good?  For those of us that saw Anders perfectly happy and alive,  it may not even matter anyway...same with those who never played at all.  But for those of us with these issues,  we really have no clue how it works.  We're just getting salty and grainy over speculation....

Speculation is fun, of course.  But not when it causes fights where there may not need to be, right?

The problem with this train of thought is I am rewarding them for making choices I do not believe in with a sale.  Thusly, how else am I supposed to air my grievances?

But what I'm saying is...you don't *know* that it's been handled the way you think it is, and that was my point.  You definitely have a right to air your greivances,  but what if there's no problem with the handling after you play?  It's possible you're worrying needlessly and perhaps the wording someone used made you think everything is barrelled over instead of properly handled.

You don't know that it hasn't, I have history on my side with Bioware games in the past, and this is a poor argument in the first place because like I stated, I have to reward them with my money to find out if they did it right or not.

[Rake21]

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.

[Harid]

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.

And I have seen proof that they are ignoring mine.  See the problem with your logic, buddy?  You are telling me not to be mad because they aren't ignoring YOUR choices?

Modifié par Harid, 16 février 2011 - 05:40 .

[stephen1493]

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.

They aren't, they address your actual choices, but instead of giving you what really happened word per word, they give you rumors.

Which seems to be enough for some people to want to cancel there preorders.
Which is the funniest thing I've heard all day.

[Elite Midget]

Oh no!



Bioware took some liberties with their properties so that a Fan Favorie can return in the next game! Ooooo~!



Just like Tali and Garrus even if you were a big jerk to them in ME1 and didn't even talk to them!



Oooooo~!

[stephen1493]

Elite Midget wrote...

Oh no!

Bioware took some liberties with their properties so that a Fan Favorie can return in the next game! Ooooo~!

Just like Tali and Garrus even if you were a big jerk to them in ME1 and didn't even talk to them!

Oooooo~!

This

just.... just This

Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 05:42 .

[Harid]

Elite Midget wrote...

Oh no!

Bioware took some liberties with their properties so that a Fan Favorie can return in the next game! Ooooo~!

Just like Tali and Garrus even if you were a big jerk to them in ME1 and didn't even talk to them!

Oooooo~!

Encouragement of the negation of our choices!

Oooooo~!

[Cipher266]

GothDude wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...

I would like to point out that even though grey wardens recruit blood mages ect, They still wouldnt give the chantry a reason to go to war with them, so its allmost impossible that a grey warden from another country would consider recruiting anders as it would give the chantry a reason to go to war with the wardens, Something the wardens have always tryed to avoid since the events of wardens keep.

not if Bioware doesnt want them to!
did you ever think bout that? Bioware writes it, they cover their tracks, cus the chantry wont go to war cus they are a bunch of peace loving christians -.-

Andrastians   

Modifié par Cipher266, 16 février 2011 - 05:44 .

[stephen1493]

Harid wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Oh no!

Bioware took some liberties with their properties so that a Fan Favorie can return in the next game! Ooooo~!

Just like Tali and Garrus even if you were a big jerk to them in ME1 and didn't even talk to them!

Oooooo~!

Encouragement of the negation of our choices!

Oooooo~!

This is like when I saw a congressman sarcastically say global warming is real.

Just really doesnt sit right

Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 05:45 .

[kcwME]

How you guys enjoying your debate? *grabs some popcorn*

[stephen1493]

kcwME wrote...

How you guys enjoying your debate? *grabs some popcorn*

Lol it's more like a slaughter.

[Rake21]

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.

And I have seen proof that they are ignoring mine.  See the problem with your logic, buddy?  You are telling me not to be mad because they aren't ignoring YOUR choices?

I wasn't arguing with you any more, or ever for that matter.

I'll rephrase it though.  I have seen no evidence that they are ignoring any choices.  In this case, there are a couple ways they can have Anders alive and healthy that fall well within the realm of realistic for the setting. 

Now, if I'm right, you said he was dead in your's, right?  Well, they pulled a Wynne on him.  Justice brought him back to life.  Also, do they even say that the spirit posessing him is the same Justice in the party?  Or is it just a Spirit of Justice? (That I don't know for sure, maybe you do)

[stephen1493]

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.

And I have seen proof that they are ignoring mine.  See the problem with your logic, buddy?  You are telling me not to be mad because they aren't ignoring YOUR choices?

I wasn't arguing with you any more, or ever for that matter.

I'll rephrase it though.  I have seen no evidence that they are ignoring any choices.  In this case, there are a couple ways they can have Anders alive and healthy that fall well within the realm of realistic for the setting. 

Now, if I'm right, you said he was dead in your's, right?  Well, they pulled a Wynne on him.  Justice brought him back to life.  Also, do they even say that the spirit posessing him is the same Justice in the party?  Or is it just a Spirit of Justice? (That I don't know for sure, maybe you do)

On the Dragon Age website they imply that it's the same Justice on the Ander's profile.

[Harid]

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.

And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.

And I have seen proof that they are ignoring mine.  See the problem with your logic, buddy?  You are telling me not to be mad because they aren't ignoring YOUR choices?

I wasn't arguing with you any more, or ever for that matter.

I'll rephrase it though.  I have seen no evidence that they are ignoring any choices.  In this case, there are a couple ways they can have Anders alive and healthy that fall well within the realm of realistic for the setting. 

Now, if I'm right, you said he was dead in your's, right?  Well, they pulled a Wynne on him.  Justice brought him back to life.  Also, do they even say that the spirit posessing him is the same Justice in the party?  Or is it just a Spirit of Justice? (That I don't know for sure, maybe you do)

Never stated that he was dead in mine.  I've stated this a number of times.  People keep debating as if I made this point, I did not.  I will not persue this strawman again, not because it has nothing to do with my argument, but it's not something I am that passionate about.

And don't quote people you aren't arguing with, or they will address the points you made.

Modifié par Harid, 16 février 2011 - 05:49 .

[kyles3]

Harid wrote...

Encouragement of the negation of our choices!

Oooooo~!

Always look on the briiiiiiight side of life...