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Bioware handwaving the story again? (anders)


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stephen1493

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Harid wrote...

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Harid wrote...

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Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.


And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.


And I have seen proof that they are ignoring mine.  See the problem with your logic, buddy?  You are telling me not to be mad because they aren't ignoring YOUR choices?


I wasn't arguing with you any more, or ever for that matter.

I'll rephrase it though.  I have seen no evidence that they are ignoring any choices.  In this case, there are a couple ways they can have Anders alive and healthy that fall well within the realm of realistic for the setting. 

Now, if I'm right, you said he was dead in your's, right?  Well, they pulled a Wynne on him.  Justice brought him back to life.  Also, do they even say that the spirit posessing him is the same Justice in the party?  Or is it just a Spirit of Justice? (That I don't know for sure, maybe you do)


Never stated that he was dead in mine.  I've stated this a number of times.  People keep debating as if I made this point, I did not.  I will not persue this strawman again, not because it has nothing to do with my argument, but it's not something I am that passionate about.

So this whole time you've been complaining about something that doesnt even apply to you?!?!

That's it, I'm gonna come right out and say it.

You're a big green troll.:sick:

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stephen1493 wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.


And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.


And I have seen proof that they are ignoring mine.  See the problem with your logic, buddy?  You are telling me not to be mad because they aren't ignoring YOUR choices?


I wasn't arguing with you any more, or ever for that matter.

I'll rephrase it though.  I have seen no evidence that they are ignoring any choices.  In this case, there are a couple ways they can have Anders alive and healthy that fall well within the realm of realistic for the setting. 

Now, if I'm right, you said he was dead in your's, right?  Well, they pulled a Wynne on him.  Justice brought him back to life.  Also, do they even say that the spirit posessing him is the same Justice in the party?  Or is it just a Spirit of Justice? (That I don't know for sure, maybe you do)

On the Dragon Age website they imply that it's the same Justice on the Ander's profile.


Well crap.  That kinda killed my theory on that one.  Well, I guess that's why I'm not one of the writers.  Considering they made the world, I'm sure they can come up with an answer.

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kyles3 wrote...

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Encouragement of the negation of our choices!

Oooooo~!


Always look on the briiiiiiight side of life...

 :whistle:


*gasps* Positivity? How dare you!

:P

#354
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kyles3 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Encouragement of the negation of our choices!

Oooooo~!


Always look on the briiiiiiight side of life...

 :whistle:

He refused to do that a couple of page or two back. Whish seems a bit emo when I think about it.

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Rake21 wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

Harid wrote...

It, and a host of other choices I do not agree with is making me debate canceling my preorder.  I don't see what that has to do with anything, though, negating our choices should not be encouraged or applauded.


And I have seen no proof that they are ignoring my choices.  So, it is what it is, I guess.


And I have seen proof that they are ignoring mine.  See the problem with your logic, buddy?  You are telling me not to be mad because they aren't ignoring YOUR choices?


I wasn't arguing with you any more, or ever for that matter.

I'll rephrase it though.  I have seen no evidence that they are ignoring any choices.  In this case, there are a couple ways they can have Anders alive and healthy that fall well within the realm of realistic for the setting. 

Now, if I'm right, you said he was dead in your's, right?  Well, they pulled a Wynne on him.  Justice brought him back to life.  Also, do they even say that the spirit posessing him is the same Justice in the party?  Or is it just a Spirit of Justice? (That I don't know for sure, maybe you do)

On the Dragon Age website they imply that it's the same Justice on the Ander's profile.


Well crap.  That kinda killed my theory on that one.  Well, I guess that's why I'm not one of the writers.  Considering they made the world, I'm sure they can come up with an answer.

Don't worry, he probably didn't know that.

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Harid wrote...

Never stated that he was dead in mine.  I've stated this a number of times.  People keep debating as if I made this point, I did not.  I will not persue this strawman again, not because it has nothing to do with my argument, but it's not something I am that passionate about.


Even if it contradicts continuity if its in the service of a better story in DA2 why is that a problem?

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Harid wrote...

Never stated that he was dead in mine. I've stated this a number of times. People keep debating as if I made this point, I did not. I will not persue this strawman again, not because it has nothing to do with my argument, but it's not something I am that passionate about.



And don't quote people you aren't arguing with, or they will address the points you made.




Wait, so what are you going on about?

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Morroian wrote...

Harid wrote...

Never stated that he was dead in mine.  I've stated this a number of times.  People keep debating as if I made this point, I did not.  I will not persue this strawman again, not because it has nothing to do with my argument, but it's not something I am that passionate about.


Even if it contradicts continuity if its in the service of a better story in DA2 why is that a problem?


Like I stated before don't tell me my choices matter, and then tell me my choices don't matter.

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Rake21 wrote...

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Never stated that he was dead in mine. I've stated this a number of times. People keep debating as if I made this point, I did not. I will not persue this strawman again, not because it has nothing to do with my argument, but it's not something I am that passionate about.

And don't quote people you aren't arguing with, or they will address the points you made.

Wait, so what are you going on about?


Read my posts?  Like I've asked from the beginning?

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You know what's better than choice?

Implanting a false belief in fans that their choices are absolute and must be followed by the letter!
 
Oh the surprises on their faces when they learn that sometimes things must happen, that fans don't desire, to develop a much better story/plot!

In this case the Story of Anders isn't over even if your Warden was a major jerk to him.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 16 février 2011 - 05:55 .


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Harid wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Harid wrote...

Never stated that he was dead in mine.  I've stated this a number of times.  People keep debating as if I made this point, I did not.  I will not persue this strawman again, not because it has nothing to do with my argument, but it's not something I am that passionate about.


Even if it contradicts continuity if its in the service of a better story in DA2 why is that a problem?


Like I stated before don't tell me my choices matter, and then tell me my choices don't matter.

Wow, way to not listen to a single thing a person has told you over your choices.

your a credit to your kind.:sick:

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Elite Midget wrote...

You know what's better than choice?

Implanting a false belief in fans that their choices are absolute and must be followed by the letter!
 
Oh the surprises on their faces when they learn that sometimes things must happen, that fans don't desire, to develop a much better story/plot!

In this case the Story of Anders isn't over even if your Warden was a major jerk to him.


Another strawman.  I'd say this is tiring, but that would be an understatement.

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Elite Midget wrote...

You know what's better than choice?

Implanting a false belief in fans that their choices are absolute and must be followed by the letter!
 
Oh the surprises on their faces when they learn that sometimes things must happen, that fans don't desire, to develop a much better story/plot!

In this case the Story of Anders isn't over even if your Warden was a major jerk to him.

It's not even a choice being overriden he's mad about!!

It has to do with the epilogue being rumors!!

Which makes his posts so sad to look at.

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There aren't enough straws to keep this fire lite! No, I'm an entirely different beast in my own right!

For the fire the glows from within rotting flesh tells me that my burning carcass must embrace you!

Now, take all of my wit, charm, and sarcastic remarks!

BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK~!

Modifié par Elite Midget, 16 février 2011 - 05:59 .


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Harid wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

You know what's better than choice?

Implanting a false belief in fans that their choices are absolute and must be followed by the letter!
 
Oh the surprises on their faces when they learn that sometimes things must happen, that fans don't desire, to develop a much better story/plot!

In this case the Story of Anders isn't over even if your Warden was a major jerk to him.


Another strawman.  I'd say this is tiring, but that would be an understatement.

Appearently everone here, including Bioware, is wrong but you.

Feel free to cancel your pre-order, go to a "smarter" forum

Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 06:00 .


#366
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Elite Midget wrote...

There aren't enough straws to keep this fire lite! No, I'm an entirely different beast in my own right!

For the fire the glows from within rotting flesh tells me that my burning carcass must embrace you!

Now, take all of my wit, charm, and sarcastic remarks!

BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK~!

Sir I would follow you to the gates of hell if you asked.

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Elite Midget wrote...

There aren't enough straws to keep this fire lite! No, I'm an entirely different beast in my own right!

For the fire the glows from within rotting flesh tells me that my burning carcass must embrace you!

Now, take all of my wit, charm, and sarcastic remarks!

BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK~!


I never stated I was a jerk to Anders, thus making your point one I never brought up.

Which is the very definition of a strawman argument.

Modifié par Harid, 16 février 2011 - 06:03 .


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Harid wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

There aren't enough straws to keep this fire lite! No, I'm an entirely different beast in my own right!

For the fire the glows from within rotting flesh tells me that my burning carcass must embrace you!

Now, take all of my wit, charm, and sarcastic remarks!

BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK~!


I never stated I was a jerk to Anders, thus making your point one I never brought up.

Which is the very definition of a strawman argument.

What a weak defense to the BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK!!

Get him Midget, whiile he's weakend!!

Finish that thing!!:sick:

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But I was a jerk to Anders thus your point didn't cover all points and only your own thus it is in itself moot!

Haha, now have a taste of a balanced a nutritious breakfast!

Modifié par Elite Midget, 16 février 2011 - 06:06 .


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stephen1493 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

There aren't enough straws to keep this fire lite! No, I'm an entirely different beast in my own right!

For the fire the glows from within rotting flesh tells me that my burning carcass must embrace you!

Now, take all of my wit, charm, and sarcastic remarks!

BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK~!

Sir I would follow you to the gates of hell if you asked.


Although, said BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK might be a little redundent in Hell, the BURNING part at least

#371
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Rake21 wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

There aren't enough straws to keep this fire lite! No, I'm an entirely different beast in my own right!

For the fire the glows from within rotting flesh tells me that my burning carcass must embrace you!

Now, take all of my wit, charm, and sarcastic remarks!

BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK~!

Sir I would follow you to the gates of hell if you asked.


Although, said BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK might be a little redundent in Hell, the BURNING part at least

Our sarcasm must burn BIRGHTER STILL!!!

Have heart, for tonight we shall transcend the gods!!

#372
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Elite Midget wrote...

But I was a jerk to Anders thus your point didn't cover all points and only your own thus it is in itself moot!

Haha, now have a taste of a balanced a nutritious breakfast!


And it's great, and everything that you can deal with Bioware ignoring your choices, but you shouldn't expect everyone to, or chide those who are not happy about it.

This could all be simplified if Bioware just made a toggle companion like the way they blew off Wrex.

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stephen1493 wrote...

Rake21 wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

There aren't enough straws to keep this fire lite! No, I'm an entirely different beast in my own right!

For the fire the glows from within rotting flesh tells me that my burning carcass must embrace you!

Now, take all of my wit, charm, and sarcastic remarks!

BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK~!

Sir I would follow you to the gates of hell if you asked.


Although, said BURNING ZOMBIE SNUGGLE ATTACK might be a little redundent in Hell, the BURNING part at least

Our sarcasm must burn BIRGHTER STILL!!!

Have heart, for tonight we shall transcend the gods!!


You, sir, have inspired me!!

#374
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No, no. I merely have grown to understand that what "I" want isn't exactly what "Bioware" wants.



I used to be like you but than one day I ran into a mysterious and enchanting forest and a talking unicorn bribed me with candy which lead to a wild and crazy adventure where I obtained true enlightment!



Now, have at thee! My ice cream stick of fruity fury desires to ravage your tastebuds!

#375
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Harid wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

But I was a jerk to Anders thus your point didn't cover all points and only your own thus it is in itself moot!

Haha, now have a taste of a balanced a nutritious breakfast!


And it's great, and everything that you can deal with Bioware ignoring your choices, but you shouldn't expect everyone to, or chide those who are not happy about it.

This could all be simplified if Bioware just made a toggle companion like the way they blew off Wrex.

wow, here we go again with this troll.:sick:

They address your choice in DA2 over what you decide to do.  You've just been raging this whole time because of your preconception of the epilouge being the truth, which stems from the entitlement you feel from Bioware which is eggrigious to feel as such just as any dev will tell you.  All of this has been perfectly established and yet you seem content to never look on the brightside and only feel that you've been wronged.

The way I see it, this troll (:sick:) is the last naysayer and this thread has gone as far as it can possibly go because he refuses to see the silver lining in the clouds.

*crosses fingers and wishes real real hard for a LOCKDOWN*