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Anywho, I've got a storm blowing outside. I don't my comp on if the power goes so...



Peace everybody! =D

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Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.
 still waiting on my proof btw

just you my troll, just you.:sick:

still waiting on a response from earilier as well

Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 06:42 .


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kcwME wrote...

Anywho, I've got a storm blowing outside. I don't my comp on if the power goes so...

Peace everybody! =D

peace.

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Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


Pfft. I didn't do any of that. You should be alittle more careful when you generalize like that.

edit: okay like woah, that storm is getting really loud and scary. Byes for real this time *is scared*

Modifié par kcwME, 16 février 2011 - 06:43 .


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kcwME wrote...

Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


Pfft. I didn't do any of that. You should be alittle more careful when you generalize like that.

He's just lashing out at a world that knows he's wrong.

poor lil guy.:sick:

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kcwME wrote...

Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


Pfft. I didn't do any of that. You should be alittle more careful when you generalize like that.


Talking about the BDF.  Not you specifically.  It still happens here.  Why don't you post a contrary opinion right now.  I guarantee you the thread will go to **** by page 3.

I'm being called a troll now for having a contrary opinion, and backing up my points.  I am being called a troll for people not reading my posts and me trying to avoid a circular argument.  That's ok, apparently. 

as for stephen1234whocares, you ask me to look up what the words "I'm done with you" are, and then you troll me despite the fact that I am done with you to respond to you again and again?  ****** off?  I'm not talking to you anymore.

Modifié par Harid, 16 février 2011 - 06:48 .


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Racial Diversity? I remember such a tale... Apparantly it be a problem when people of a Kingdom all be of the same color! But that be far from the truth which is truely of the truthful nature! For you see in the land of Fereldan there be elves, humans, dwarves, mabari, and even sneaky antivan outsiders! None of whichwere truely alike and came in many shades of the morning and night! Strange thing that tale was...

Though don't be fooled! This be no Halfway Gaia and you'll run into no little folk here and their unhealthly facinations with golden objects worn upon ones finger which be part of a hand!

Modifié par Elite Midget, 16 février 2011 - 06:45 .


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Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


Pfft. I didn't do any of that. You should be alittle more careful when you generalize like that.


Talking about the BDF.  Not you specifically.  It still happens here.  Why don't you post a contrary opinion right now.  I guarantee you the thread will go to **** by page 3.

I love contraty opinions.

I believe that Sylvius The Mad is one of most intresting posters in here and all he does is contradict.
But that's because he respondes to logic and uses logic in return.
At times he even concedes defeat when he knows he's in the wrong.

Unlike a certain lil troll we all know...:sick:

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yes that's right. say p*** off instead of useing your logic. I love winning.:wizard:

also it was you who said, "I'm done with you."

Troll I couldnt quit you if I tried.:wub:

Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 06:48 .


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Elite Midget wrote...

Racial Diversity? I remember such a tale... Apparantly it be a problem when people of a Kingdom all be of the same color! But that be far from the truth which is truely of the truthful nature! For you see in the land of Fereldan there be elves, humans, dwarves, mabari, and even sneaky antivan outsiders! None of whichwere truely alike and came in many shades of the morning and night! Strange thing that tale was...

Though don't be fooled! This be no Halfway Gaia and you'll run into no little folk here and their unhealthly facinations with golden objects worn upon ones finger which be part of a hand!


Different argument for a different thread.  Take it to pm, with much gaiety.

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Yes, that tale was ended though through swiftness and indifference. Clearly it was not meant to be thus it was ended before it could begin, no? Thus I have no qualms with how it was handled when I'm far too busy dealing with Dwarfs and theiving Antivan Sneaky Hands!

Modifié par Elite Midget, 16 février 2011 - 06:50 .


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Elite Midget wrote...

Yes, that tale was ended though through swiftness and indifference. Clearly it was not meant to be thus it was ended before it could begin, no? Thus I have no qualms with how it was handled when I'm far too busy dealing with Dwarfs and theiving Antivan Sneaky Hands!

Aww man those hands can go everywhere can't they.

I feel so objectified.:unsure:

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Aldaris951 wrote...

If you read the new mini storys on a sticky thread in this forum you will find out that anders is confirmed to be alive reguardless if he died in awakening, thats fine in asense since you could argue Justice revived him when they merged.

HOWEVER in my playthrough as a mage i didnt need anders so i let the templars take him away, Justice was in my party all through awakening but anders was given to the templers so it was impossible for them to meet.

Mini story also confirms that anders joined the wardens when I give him to the templers. Also making anders a grey warden was a choice, you didnt have to make him a grey warden even if he was in party.

So bioware has made a cannon choice for anders, Bioware said that they wont make cannon choices in the game, Yet no matter what choices effected anders, They were pointless because theres now a cannon choice that bioware have made.

it was like in origins if you killed wyne she would still show up in awakening.

Bioware learn from mass effect 2, if a character dies in mass effect 1 that character stays dead throughout the series, so i dont understand why you feel the need to remove our choices when thats one of the major factors about dragon age.

It wouldnt of been hard to of counted for the choices to anders, as i said there were really only 3 outcomes to the character.



Either he dies, Gets taken away by templers or you save him from templers but dont recruit him then he leaves.



So those 3 choices right there are ignored and bioware have made 1 cannon choice and that was he joined the wardens and justice merged with him.



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MajorStranger wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...

If you read the new mini storys on a sticky thread in this forum you will find out that anders is confirmed to be alive reguardless if he died in awakening, thats fine in asense since you could argue Justice revived him when they merged.

HOWEVER in my playthrough as a mage i didnt need anders so i let the templars take him away, Justice was in my party all through awakening but anders was given to the templers so it was impossible for them to meet.

Mini story also confirms that anders joined the wardens when I give him to the templers. Also making anders a grey warden was a choice, you didnt have to make him a grey warden even if he was in party.

So bioware has made a cannon choice for anders, Bioware said that they wont make cannon choices in the game, Yet no matter what choices effected anders, They were pointless because theres now a cannon choice that bioware have made.

it was like in origins if you killed wyne she would still show up in awakening.

Bioware learn from mass effect 2, if a character dies in mass effect 1 that character stays dead throughout the series, so i dont understand why you feel the need to remove our choices when thats one of the major factors about dragon age.

It wouldnt of been hard to of counted for the choices to anders, as i said there were really only 3 outcomes to the character.



Either he dies, Gets taken away by templers or you save him from templers but dont recruit him then he leaves.



So those 3 choices right there are ignored and bioware have made 1 cannon choice and that was he joined the wardens and justice merged with him.



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MOAR!! MOAR!!!:o

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ARRGHH!!
got's to get some sleep.

have to put down my troll slaying axe for the night

I hope to see a lockdown or that troll's body successfully looted tomorrow.:sick:

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Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


I dont think that Proof would help you....your condition is peculiar.Image IPB

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Cipher266 wrote...

Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


I dont think that Proof would help you....your condition is peculiar.Image IPB


I ask for proof and I get nothing.  Fantastic.  Looks like your word is worth what our epilogues are.  Don't make a statement and then find yourself unable to back it up.  We have enough people here doing that already.

It's great you guys have 100% faith in a dev, but you should not assume or ask that of everyone.

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Harid wrote...

Cipher266 wrote...

Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


I dont think that Proof would help you....your condition is peculiar.Image IPB


I ask for proof and I get nothing.  Fantastic.  Looks like your word is worth what our epilogues are.  Don't make a statement and then find yourself unable to back it up.  We have enough people here doing that already.

It's great you guys have 100% faith in a dev, but you should not assume or ask that of everyone.



Sorry Almighty ..... Harid, I am NOT digging through 3 years of Forum just to find a quote, I really don't think it would help you anyway.  David *on this very thread* stated what he has always stated, that the Epilogues are hear-say. I know you feel woe is me but you too might want to look at the facts. Be mad. Be upset. BUT try to understand. Image IPB

*exit stage left*Image IPB

Modifié par Cipher266, 16 février 2011 - 07:15 .


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Cipher266 wrote...

Harid wrote...

Cipher266 wrote...

Harid wrote...

kcwME wrote...

This is the point that happens whenever there is an opinion you do not
agree with pops on this forum, you guys troll it to **** until a mod
comes along to lock it.


Silly assumptions are silly. I'm honestly just here because I'm bored and find Elite disturbingly funny. But go ahead and make a conspiracy theory out of it. :mellow:


You guys did the same thing from a thread asking about racial diversity today, and did the same thing to a better thought out post a few months ago on the same topic, and are doing the same thing now to a poster that asked why the story isn't a continuation of the Grey Warden's story from DA:1.

Now, yes, some of these people can be trolls, but all of them?  Really?  Ok.  And these are examples I just pulled out of my ass, that is the MO here whether you like it or not.

Still waiting on my proof btw.


I dont think that Proof would help you....your condition is peculiar.Image IPB


I ask for proof and I get nothing.  Fantastic.  Looks like your word is worth what our epilogues are.  Don't make a statement and then find yourself unable to back it up.  We have enough people here doing that already.

It's great you guys have 100% faith in a dev, but you should not assume or ask that of everyone.



Sorry Almighty ..... Harid, I am NOT digging through 3 years of Forum just to find a quote, I really don't think it would help you anyway.  David *on this very thread* stated what he has always stated, that the Epilogues are hear-say. I know you feel woe is me but you too might want to look at the facts. Be mad. Be upset. BUT try to understand. Image IPB

*exit stage left*Image IPB


Yeah, dev backpedaling after making promises that could not be kept, just like that transfer through platforms thing they used to talk about.  I just want lucidity from jump.  I don't think I am asking for anything unreasonable.

My warden was a friend to Anders and would have tried to help him.  And because my Warden is being eliminated from the scenes, my Warden has become an **** that blows off friends who need your help, and I don't like that.  My warden would have went to him in person to help.  We'll probably get someone like Nathaniel at the very best which is rather impersonal, but whatever.

Not happy about this.  Not happy about any changes that retroactively change the behaviors of characters I have forged in a game where our choices are supposed to matter.

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awww... does baby need his bottle? did the story not go the way you wanted? Baby not happy with the epilogue? Well suck it up. Bioware is a game company that has devs nice enough to feed us tablescraps of info every now and then. They and the forumites aren't hear to coddle you everytime a change happens that hurts your wittle immersion. Things like this give us all a bad name. No wonder the media doesn't take us seriously.

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TheDarkestSpawn wrote...

awww... does baby need his bottle? did the story not go the way you wanted? Baby not happy with the epilogue? Well suck it up. Bioware is a game company that has devs nice enough to feed us tablescraps of info every now and then. They and the forumites aren't hear to coddle you everytime a change happens that hurts your wittle immersion. Things like this give us all a bad name. No wonder the media doesn't take us seriously.


I would argue the reason gamers aren't taken seriously is precisely because they 'take it', but that is an argument  you can take to pm, buddy.

The 'tablescraps' we are 'fed' can be found elsewhere, and I am not asking for anyone to coddle me, so. . .nice trolling, man.

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Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...

speaking of killing off characters.. funny how if you dont go along with Morrigans ritual and you slay the Archdemon you die .. but you can import your character from Origins to Awakening... and it makes no sense but it works XD


Originally, iirc, they said you would not be able to play your dead warden in Awakening, if you did the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.

Then people started to complain. Eventually, the devs said, basically, "Well, if you don't care about hand-waving the ending you chose, and want to play with a dead character, we don't care either, so you can, if you want." Part of that whole "no canon choice" thing, I guess.

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DanaScu wrote...

Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...

speaking of killing off characters.. funny how if you dont go along with Morrigans ritual and you slay the Archdemon you die .. but you can import your character from Origins to Awakening... and it makes no sense but it works XD


Originally, iirc, they said you would not be able to play your dead warden in Awakening, if you did the Ultimate Sacrifice ending.

Then people started to complain. Eventually, the devs said, basically, "Well, if you don't care about hand-waving the ending you chose, and want to play with a dead character, we don't care either, so you can, if you want." Part of that whole "no canon choice" thing, I guess.



Thats been fixed. Bioware made the transport system that will make the Orgins story have precedence over all the other saves and it will act as if the Awakening save was the Orlesian Grey Warden if you chose the Ultimate Sacrifice. 

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Seriously...people are so disenfranchised by the direction taken with DA2 as to not really give a flying...about Anders !

Those that are seem not to care if the game had been cut to 5 hours and turned into a fps...they blindly kissdevbutt without so much as a whimper.

Anders inclusion is terrible writing and if you notice the very same people kissing butt about the wardens non participation....are browbeating those on complaining about Anders....ironic

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philbo1965uk wrote...
Those that are seem not to care if the game had been cut to 5 hours and turned into a fps...they blindly kissdevbutt without so much as a whimper.

Well, if you have played the saintly perfection/divine gift from the gods that is Portal, you should know that length does not equate to good. In fact, length can be detrimental to good.


BioWare makes good games. In fact, I would generally go so far as to say that BioWare makes amazing games. Whether or not you agree with what they do with the game does not change that their games have received, overall, critical acclaim by both many fans and respected game publications worldwide. So, if you don't enjoy it, that's fine, but don't expect to be taken seriously when you don't seem to be providing any concrete reasons as to why what BioWare has done in this instance is a bad thing.