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[a big blunt]

David Gaider wrote...
A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

Did you also contradict the fact that he can die in one of the endings?

[David Gaider]

TJPags wrote...
But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

That is explained.

I'm not going to explain it to you now. You'll have to play it to see.

Aldaris951 wrote...
How was it possible for anders to escape
the templers after you hand him over IF wardens keep was not saved and
your player was the only surviving warden at the end of awakening? The
warden trainer at the keep would not of been alive if the wardens keep
fell, So there would of been no wardens except for the player to of made
anders a warden.

Clearly another Warden would have recruited him?

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 février 2011 - 02:17 .

[tmp7704]

TJPags wrote...

This is possible, but unlikely, IMO.

They've announced him, given him trailer time, and made him a LI, and gave him a mini-backstory.

I'd be shocked if he was somehow optional based on your Awakening choice.

Well, Isabela is entirely optional character according to her writer -- you don't even have to meet her if you choose so, let alone recruit. So i could easily see that done for Anders as well, especially if it would require the player to import a custom savegame to achieve such effect.

Apparently that's not the case though, so it's kinda moot now.

[Zanallen]

a big blunt wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

Did you also contradict the fact that he can die in one of the endings?

You realize that Justice was inhabiting the body of a dead man for the entirety of Awakenings, right?

[TJPags]

Aldaris951 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Also it confirms in the anders mini story that the warden recruited him and he was at wardens keep, that didnt happen in my game. I mean come on anders only has like 3 outcomes, it wouldnt of been hard for bioware to of made every choice count.

A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

How was it possible for anders to escape the templers after you hand him over IF wardens keep was not saved and your player was the only surviving warden at the end of awakening? The warden trainer at the keep would not of been alive if the wardens keep fell, So there would of been no wardens except for the player to of made anders a warden.

There were several Grey Wardens alive.  Your PC, for one.  Oghren, SIgrun, Nathaniel also do the joining - not sure about Velanna, I don't remember. 

Also, the Wardens were actively recruiting - there were 12 Orlesian Wardens stationed there before the attack (dead now, but more can be sent).  There were a number of recruits, as well  - remember Mhairi?  That's what she was.  There were others.

So just because we only see the companions do the Joining doesn't mean others don't, also.  Doesn't mean other Wardens aren't sent from other places, or other recruits found.

This part is not a problem at all.

[Morroian]

If continuity stands in the way of a good story then it should be disregarded.

[Aldaris951]

David, How can Anders be a grey warden if all the wardens except for your character was alive at the end of awakening? thats a possible outcome, Plus if vigil's keep falls as well then there is no other warden alive in that country except for your character (alistair is dead, anora is queen, Plus all other awakening grey warden characters are dead)

[TJPags]

David Gaider wrote...

TJPags wrote...
But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

That is explained.

I'm not going to explain it to you now. You'll have to play it to see.

Okay, I'll wait for the game then.

And then we'll see. 

[aragfore03]

David Gaider wrote...

TJPags wrote...
But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

That is explained.

I'm not going to explain it to you now. You'll have to play it to see.

Aldaris951 wrote...
How was it possible for anders to escape
the templers after you hand him over IF wardens keep was not saved and
your player was the only surviving warden at the end of awakening? The
warden trainer at the keep would not of been alive if the wardens keep
fell, So there would of been no wardens except for the player to of made
anders a warden.

Clearly another Warden would have recruited him?

Fair enough. Thanks David.

[Reaverwind]

TJPags wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

Never mind that - what about the version where Anders is supposedly a warden for life? And now he has issues with them in DA2? Bah - it's better to simply disregard Awakening.

Modifié par Reaverwind, 16 février 2011 - 02:21 .

[Zanallen]

Reaverwind wrote...

TJPags wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

Never mind that - what about the version where Anders is supposedly a warden for life? And now he has issues with them in DA2? Bah - it's better to simply disregard Awakening.

Are you no longer a Grey Warden even if you disagree with them? I don't think the ritual is reversable.

[Aldaris951]

This is all abit far fetched though, Wardens from another country wouldnt defy the chantry because as we all know, Wardens like to stay out of it, Our character had motivation to recruit anders but other grey wardens from other countrys wouldnt of recruited anders because they werent in their own country and would of angered the chantry, thus risking war.

Modifié par Aldaris951, 16 février 2011 - 02:24 .

[yuncas]

Why do you keep saying there are only 3 outcomes. "Either he dies, Gets taken away by templers or you save him from templers but dont recruit him then he leaves". I'm positive I saved him from the templars, conscripted him, did his loyalty quest, took him with me to dragonbone waste, and got an epilogue slide that he stayed with the wardens after leaving for a short time and coming back.

[David Gaider]

Aldaris951 wrote...
David, How can Anders be a grey warden if all the wardens except for your character was alive at the end of awakening? thats a possible outcome, Plus if vigil's keep falls as well then there is no other warden alive in that country except for your character (alistair is dead, anora is queen, Plus all other awakening grey warden characters are dead)

There are Wardens in other countries?

Aldaris951 wrote...
This is all abit far fetched though,
Wardens from another country wouldnt defy the chantry because as we all
know, Wardens like to stay out of it, Our character had motivation to
recruit anders by other grey wardens from other countrys wouldnt of
recruited anders because they werent in their own country and would of
angered the chantry, thus risking war.

Then nothing we could say would make you happy, I guess. *shrug*

Modifié par David Gaider, 16 février 2011 - 02:25 .

[Reaverwind]

Zanallen wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

TJPags wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

Never mind that - what about the version where Anders is supposedly a warden for life? And now he has issues with them in DA2? Bah - it's better to simply disregard Awakening.

Are you no longer a Grey Warden even if you disagree with them? I don't think the ritual is reversable.

I meant his being part of the Order, not the physical aspect.

[Browneye_Vamp84]

Reaverwind wrote...

TJPags wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

Never mind that - what about the version where Anders is supposedly a warden for life? And now he has issues with them in DA2? Bah - it's better to simply disregard Awakening.

i hated the bugs it had..

[Aldaris951]

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
David, How can Anders be a grey warden if all the wardens except for your character was alive at the end of awakening? thats a possible outcome, Plus if vigil's keep falls as well then there is no other warden alive in that country except for your character (alistair is dead, anora is queen, Plus all other awakening grey warden characters are dead)

There are Wardens in other countries?

Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

Modifié par Aldaris951, 16 février 2011 - 02:28 .

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

I thought you guys learned your lesson with Mass Effect 2. There is no point in arguing, devs are not ready to stand for their own promises - making story continuity to work requiers too many resourses, but they can't just say "Well we've made what we wanted with our story and aside from few cameos and text editing in codex what your Warden did does't matter", cause it would make people too dissapointed.
Breath everyone, breath.

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 16 février 2011 - 02:30 .

[Zanallen]

Reaverwind wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

TJPags wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

Never mind that - what about the version where Anders is supposedly a warden for life? And now he has issues with them in DA2? Bah - it's better to simply disregard Awakening.

Are you no longer a Grey Warden even if you disagree with them? I don't think the ritual is reversable.

I meant his being part of the Order, not the physical aspect.

Perhaps Anders returns to the Wardens after the events of DA2? I mean, its not like the Wardens haven't harbored abominations before.

[Anzer]

yuncas wrote...

Why do you keep saying there are only 3 outcomes. "Either he dies, Gets taken away by templers or you save him from templers but dont recruit him then he leaves". I'm positive I saved him from the templars, conscripted him, did his loyalty quest, took him with me to dragonbone waste, and got an epilogue slide that he stayed with the wardens after leaving for a short time and coming back.

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but doesn't the slide say something along the lines of "for the rest of his life"? Who's to say he lived very long after the events of Awakening?

[Aldaris951]

I would honestly rather they dont make returning party members unless they can count for all choices, Otherwise they are just making a cannon choice, Something they claim they wont do.

[kalassy]

Aldaris951 wrote...


Bioware learn from mass effect 2, if a character dies in mass effect 1 that character stays dead throughout the series, so i dont understand why you feel the need to remove our choices when thats one of the major factors about dragon age.

You clearly have never played Mass Effect 2 considering










well












Spoilers











YOU DIE IN MASS EFFECT 2 AND THEN ARE BROUGHT BACK.

There went that theory. :innocent:

[Zanallen]

Aldaris951 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
David, How can Anders be a grey warden if all the wardens except for your character was alive at the end of awakening? thats a possible outcome, Plus if vigil's keep falls as well then there is no other warden alive in that country except for your character (alistair is dead, anora is queen, Plus all other awakening grey warden characters are dead)

There are Wardens in other countries?

Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

The Chantry exists in multiple countries, most notably Orlais...Where a number of unseen NPC Wardens seem to have come from.

[stephen1493]

Aldaris951 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
David, How can Anders be a grey warden if all the wardens except for your character was alive at the end of awakening? thats a possible outcome, Plus if vigil's keep falls as well then there is no other warden alive in that country except for your character (alistair is dead, anora is queen, Plus all other awakening grey warden characters are dead)

There are Wardens in other countries?

Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

I was under the impression that the Grey Warden's  were a refuge to outlaws and apostates. That angry templar lady I killed said so.