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[stephen1493]

kalassy wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...


Bioware learn from mass effect 2, if a character dies in mass effect 1 that character stays dead throughout the series, so i dont understand why you feel the need to remove our choices when thats one of the major factors about dragon age.

You clearly have never played Mass Effect 2 considering










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YOU DIE IN MASS EFFECT 2 AND THEN ARE BROUGHT BACK.

There went that theory. :innocent:

Not for ME3 your not. But this is off topic

[Daerog]

Aldaris951 wrote...

Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

The Grey Wardens have recruited blood mages before. They recruit rapists, murderers, traitors, heretics, etc.
Anders was small time annoyance with only a single templar commander have an issue with him. Recruiting him would not spark a war. Whether he was recruited in Orlais, Fereldan, or by Grey Wardens in the Free Marches.

There would be no risk at all with war with the Chantry. Only a single templar had a grudge against Anders, not the Divine herself.

[David Gaider]

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

[TJPags]

Aldaris951 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
David, How can Anders be a grey warden if all the wardens except for your character was alive at the end of awakening? thats a possible outcome, Plus if vigil's keep falls as well then there is no other warden alive in that country except for your character (alistair is dead, anora is queen, Plus all other awakening grey warden characters are dead)

There are Wardens in other countries?

Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

Um, if your warden did the US, and you don't import that game into Awakening, you actually play as a Raden Commander from Orlais.

And, ummm, Wardens have the right of conscription everywhere.  The Chantry can't change that.

[GothDude]

Aldaris951 wrote...

I would honestly rather they dont make returning party members unless they can count for all choices, Otherwise they are just making a cannon choice, Something they claim they wont do.

dude, david is trying to say they covered it. when you import ur save data im sure the story with anders will be covered. so calm down and stop making claims that you cant even prove yet.

wait for the dang game people >.<

[Reaverwind]

Zanallen wrote...

Perhaps Anders returns to the Wardens after the events of DA2? I mean, its not like the Wardens haven't harbored abominations before.

Where is it said that the Wardens have ever harbored Abominations?

[kalassy]

stephen1493 wrote...

kalassy wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...


Bioware learn from mass effect 2, if a character dies in mass effect 1 that character stays dead throughout the series, so i dont understand why you feel the need to remove our choices when thats one of the major factors about dragon age.

You clearly have never played Mass Effect 2 considering










well












Spoilers











YOU DIE IN MASS EFFECT 2 AND THEN ARE BROUGHT BACK.

There went that theory. :innocent:

Not for ME3 your not. But this is off topic

You die in the beginning of Mass Effect 2 and are brought back.

In fact Mass Effect 2 completely REVOLVES around you dying and being brought back.

If you played even the first 20 minutes of the game you would know that.

[Wowlock]

Reaverwind wrote...

TJPags wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

A game can support alternate versions. A short story cannot. If you never recruited Anders, he was never at Vigil's Keep. So it might have happened as the short story lays out, it might not.

He did become a Grey Warden, however, whether you recruited him or not, and he eventually met Justice in that case-- whether Justice was in Kristoff's body or not.

Did we hand-wave your choice to not recruit Anders? Sure did. But that doesn't mean we contradict it, despite your assumptions.

But what about the ending combos where Anders dies defending the Keep, yet Justice stays with the Wardens for a period of time?

Never mind that - what about the version where Anders is supposedly a warden for life? And now he has issues with them in DA2? Bah - it's better to simply disregard Awakening.

Are you sure you read the short story ? Because of his Merge with Justice , he cannot control his actions and he killed Templars and Wardens alike. He didn't have a disagreement with the Wardens , in fact he is trying to avoid trouble since wardens probably put him down because he is tecnically an abomination.

[tmp7704]

Aldaris951 wrote...

Our character had motivation to recruit anders but other grey wardens from other countrys wouldnt of recruited anders because they werent in their own country and would of angered the chantry, thus risking war.

There's very little reason for "our warden" to want to recruit Anders, actually -- the keep is safe, his assistance is no longer needed, and you know very little about him having spent few hours tops in his company. Also, recruiting him doesn't actually end up in a war so why another warden couldn't make equally on-the-spot choice disregarding potential consequences, i don't know.

[stephen1493]

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

I think the main problem for us,or maybe I'm wrong, is that we never expected to epilogue to have contradictions.  I readily accepted the codex as such, but Making the epilouge specualtive and contradicting kind of hurts our closure at the end of the game. 

Idk I just think that a story shouldn't be rewritten just for someone's cameo, but if you can explain it then I'm ok with him coming back.

Modifié par stephen1493, 16 février 2011 - 02:37 .

[Scous3]

Aldaris951 wrote...

Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

How about every single mage in the gray wardens is technically an apostate (sp) seeing as they are free of the chantry/mages circle so technically in your view would cause war.... your logic is flawed, clearly people (even the chantry) obey the gray wardens they did just end a blight after all :-) there was just that stupid templar in awakening who refused but she had a personal grief with anders

[stephen1493]

kalassy wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

kalassy wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...


Bioware learn from mass effect 2, if a character dies in mass effect 1 that character stays dead throughout the series, so i dont understand why you feel the need to remove our choices when thats one of the major factors about dragon age.

You clearly have never played Mass Effect 2 considering










well












Spoilers











YOU DIE IN MASS EFFECT 2 AND THEN ARE BROUGHT BACK.

There went that theory. :innocent:

Not for ME3 your not. But this is off topic

You die in the beginning of Mass Effect 2 and are brought back.

In fact Mass Effect 2 completely REVOLVES around you dying and being brought back.

If you played even the first 20 minutes of the game you would know that.

Thought you meant the end. Calm down. Either way this is still off topic.

[The Big Nothing]

Do we have any conformation that Anders shows up in Dragon Age 2 if you killed him? He might be dead.

[Reaverwind]

Wowlock wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Never mind that - what about the version where Anders is supposedly a warden for life? And now he has issues with them in DA2? Bah - it's better to simply disregard Awakening.

Are you sure you read the short story ? Because of his Merge with Justice , he cannot control his actions and he killed Templars and Wardens alike. He didn't have a disagreement with the Wardens , in fact he is trying to avoid trouble since wardens probably put him down because he is tecnically an abomination.

I'm going by the recent IGN spoiler. And the short story does make it clear Anders felt he was betrayed by the Wardens - nevermind he should have anticipated they wouldn't react too well to his "merger".

Modifié par Reaverwind, 16 février 2011 - 02:40 .

[stephen1493]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Do we have any conformation that Anders shows up in Dragon Age 2 if you killed him? He might be dead.

Well that's ONE way to clear that up.

[kalassy]

stephen1493 wrote...


Thought you meant the end. Calm down. Either way this is still off topic.

lol I am completely calm, and it is totally on topic. In fact, I even quoted the very line from the original post that I was referring to.

If you're going to take lessons from Mass Effect, then we're allowed to have a character die (brutally, burnt to a crisp btw) and have that character be brought back through technology (or magic).

[Razored1313]

my only question is if our wardens relationship with anders is mentioned, like will he mention the warden fondly or bitterly depending on their relationship.

[Aldaris951]

Fair enough if anders is dead in any playthrough justice can revive him, But if you give him to the templers and he escapes AGAIN. Then he just stumbles upon a grey warden from another country,



That warden trusts the mage nevermind the fact the templers that will be after him will outnumber the wardens and might start a war (like what happend with wardens keep dlc) After all this, Justice for some reason seeks out anders who he has never met and merges with him?

[GothDude]

The Big Nothing wrote...

Do we have any conformation that Anders shows up in Dragon Age 2 if you killed him? He might be dead.

exactly! none of us knows wats going to happen when we import our data!
ony Bioware!

and also the mini stories could be based off the three default world saves. ever think bout that anyone??

[Uhh.. Jonah]

I'm just gonna forget about these things and enjoy the game

[Zanallen]

Reaverwind wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Perhaps Anders returns to the Wardens after the events of DA2? I mean, its not like the Wardens haven't harbored abominations before.

Where is it said that the Wardens have ever harbored Abominations?

Using the definition of the word, Wynne was technically an abomination. Also, while Kristoff was dead at the time, Justice inhabiting his body was another example of an abomination.

Using the definition presented in the DA wiki: An abomination is a broad term for the result of a demon possessing a living human or elf. While mages stand the greatest chance of being possessed, as they draw their magic from the Fade, it is made clear than any elf or human is a potential host.

Demons are classified as malicious spirits of the fade; where as there are also benevolent spirits as well. Still, any such spirit possessing a person should be considered an abomination regardless of the spirit's intent.

[Aldaris951]

Fair enough if anders is dead in any playthrough justice can revive him, But if you give him to the templers and he escapes AGAIN. Then he just stumbles upon a grey warden from another country,



That warden trusts the mage nevermind the fact the templers that will be after him will outnumber the wardens and might start a war (like what happend with wardens keep dlc) After all this, Justice for some reason seeks out anders who he has never met and merges with him?

[Browneye_Vamp84]

froogle345 wrote...

my only question is if our wardens relationship with anders is mentioned, like will he mention the warden fondly or bitterly depending on their relationship.

i saved his mage ass so he better sound greatful

[TJPags]

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

I'm just gonna forget about these things and enjoy the game

Well that's just silly. 

[MColes]

OR.. OR.. the little short story was just one outcome. Maybe? Possibly? Who would have ever considered that as happening, wow!