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[stephen1493]

kalassy wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...


Thought you meant the end. Calm down. Either way this is still off topic.

lol I am completely calm, and it is totally on topic. In fact, I even quoted the very line from the original post that I was referring to.

If you're going to take lessons from Mass Effect, then we're allowed to have a character die (brutally, burnt to a crisp btw) and have that character be brought back through technology (or magic).

by on topic I meant a Dragon Age related discussion in this DA2 thread. We start talking too much Mass Effect (which easily happens all the time) then we get the LOCKDOWN.

On the Anders note it just doesn't sit well with me that the Epilouge could say he dies, but the reality is he came back to life a couple of days later.  Doesn't seem right seeing as Oghren almost went through the exact same thing when he's left at the Keep

[Reaverwind]

Zanallen wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Where is it said that the Wardens have ever harbored Abominations?

Using the definition of the word, Wynne was technically an abomination. Also, while Kristoff was dead at the time, Justice inhabiting his body was another example of an abomination.

Wynne never joins the Wardens, and may be killed by them - not the same deal. Kristoff, while possessed, is not an Abomination.

[KenKenpachi]

Vicious wrote...

Bioware doesn't need to cater to every bizarre playthrough.

lol this.

I have yet to see and RPG that was fully sandbox and carried over everything you did previously. So Bio is kinda going   HAHA We run this company not you. as I suspect will be the case with many of the "Lol I killed all of my team that I could to see what happens in ME3" people.

[Aldaris951]

I would like to point out that even though grey wardens recruit blood mages ect, They still wouldnt give the chantry a reason to go to war with them, so its allmost impossible that a grey warden from another country would consider recruiting anders as it would give the chantry a reason to go to war with the wardens, Something the wardens have always tryed to avoid since the events of wardens keep.

[GothDude]

Aldaris951 wrote...

Fair enough if anders is dead in any playthrough justice can revive him, But if you give him to the templers and he escapes AGAIN. Then he just stumbles upon a grey warden from another country,

That warden trusts the mage nevermind the fact the templers that will be after him will outnumber the wardens and might start a war (like what happend with wardens keep dlc) After all this, Justice for some reason seeks out anders who he has never met and merges with him?

Bioware has stated somewhere in the forums that this mite not be the same Justice we met in Awakening.
meaning another spirit of Justice from the fade??
oh well how can there be more than 1 Justice you say? cus they are friggin Bioware and they make the story and can do whatever the hell they want! >.<

[Urazz]

stephen1493 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

I think the main problem for us,or maybe I'm wrong, is that we never expected to epilogue to have contradictions.  I readily accepted the codex as such, but Making the epilouge specualtive and contradicting kind of hurts our closure at the end of the game. 

Idk I just think that a story shouldn't be rewritten just for someone's cameo, but if you can explain it then I'm ok with him coming back.

Then again the epilogues weren't written as sure things.  They were written as rumors and heresay and never have details as if someone was telling a story about a legend so that shouldn't bother you so much.  Legends and stories can be different than what actually happened.  Hell, we are gonna see Varric do it all the time in DA2 exaggerating to Cassandra before she calls him on it.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Thread should be renamed: Neckbeards stroke neckbeards, glower.

[stephen1493]

Reaverwind wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Where is it said that the Wardens have ever harbored Abominations?

Using the definition of the word, Wynne was technically an abomination. Also, while Kristoff was dead at the time, Justice inhabiting his body was another example of an abomination.

Wynne never joins the Wardens, and may be killed by them - not the same deal. Kristoff, while possessed, is not an Abomination.

Closer to a walking corpse.

Wonder why he was able to keep his intellect while demons lose all forms of communication...

Maybe it's because he's a grey warden? It would definitly go along with the Sophia Dryden thing

[kalassy]

Aldaris951 wrote...

Fair enough if anders is dead in any playthrough justice can revive him, But if you give him to the templers and he escapes AGAIN. Then he just stumbles upon a grey warden from another country,

That warden trusts the mage nevermind the fact the templers that will be after him will outnumber the wardens and might start a war (like what happend with wardens keep dlc) After all this, Justice for some reason seeks out anders who he has never met and merges with him?

He coudl've met Justice at any time, you meet tons of demons/spirits in Dragon Age. And mages are able to navigate parts of the fade.

He could've also been conscripted (or just wanted to join, after seeing what your warden did/hearing news of what the wardens were doing) at any time. Neither of these are things that could have only happened in one period of time. They are completely independent of each other.

[GothDude]

Aldaris951 wrote...

I would like to point out that even though grey wardens recruit blood mages ect, They still wouldnt give the chantry a reason to go to war with them, so its allmost impossible that a grey warden from another country would consider recruiting anders as it would give the chantry a reason to go to war with the wardens, Something the wardens have always tryed to avoid since the events of wardens keep.

not if Bioware doesnt want them to!
did you ever think bout that? Bioware writes it, they cover their tracks, cus the chantry wont go to war cus they are a bunch of peace loving christians -.-

[TJPags]

Urazz wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

I think the main problem for us,or maybe I'm wrong, is that we never expected to epilogue to have contradictions.  I readily accepted the codex as such, but Making the epilouge specualtive and contradicting kind of hurts our closure at the end of the game. 

Idk I just think that a story shouldn't be rewritten just for someone's cameo, but if you can explain it then I'm ok with him coming back.

Then again the epilogues weren't written as sure things.  They were written as rumors and heresay and never have details as if someone was telling a story about a legend so that shouldn't bother you so much.  Legends and stories can be different than what actually happened.  Hell, we are gonna see Varric do it all the time in DA2 exaggerating to Cassandra before she calls him on it.

Well, I disagree with this, in part.

They may have been written that way.  They don't read that way.  Many of them read as if they were historical fact.

I know a LOT of people that consider the epilogues to be canon as far as what happens to certain characters after the game.

[Browneye_Vamp84]

when you meet up with Kristoff wife and you do that quest.. Justice says that he envy's the emotions and the such. so maybe Justice.. has gotten warped. he says that he wasnt sure about the 'evil' spirits in the fade.(something like that)

[TJPags]

Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...

when you meet up with Kristoff wife and you do that quest.. Justice says that he envy's the emotions and the such. so maybe Justice.. has gotten warped. he says that he wasnt sure about the 'evil' spirits in the fade.(something like that)

He's high on life. 

[stephen1493]

Urazz wrote...

stephen1493 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

I think the main problem for us,or maybe I'm wrong, is that we never expected to epilogue to have contradictions.  I readily accepted the codex as such, but Making the epilouge specualtive and contradicting kind of hurts our closure at the end of the game. 

Idk I just think that a story shouldn't be rewritten just for someone's cameo, but if you can explain it then I'm ok with him coming back.

Then again the epilogues weren't written as sure things.  They were written as rumors and heresay and never have details as if someone was telling a story about a legend so that shouldn't bother you so much.  Legends and stories can be different than what actually happened.  Hell, we are gonna see Varric do it all the time in DA2 exaggerating to Cassandra before she calls him on it.

Thus forming a loophole where different actions in DA:O can all lead to the same clumped real happening...

This is scary.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

TJPags wrote...

Uhh.. Jonah wrote...

I'm just gonna forget about these things and enjoy the game

Well that's just silly. 

Pfthaha! Well, my Anders is alive and on a ship bound for Kirkwall with Isabela. I think that's why I couldn't care less because what happened to my Anders fits with the story (him being alive, him being in Kirkwall.).

[kalassy]

Aldaris951 wrote...

I would like to point out that even though grey wardens recruit blood mages ect, They still wouldnt give the chantry a reason to go to war with them, so its allmost impossible that a grey warden from another country would consider recruiting anders as it would give the chantry a reason to go to war with the wardens, Something the wardens have always tryed to avoid since the events of wardens keep.

If they could find him. How do we know he didn't eventually find his phylactery and destroyed it?

[Browneye_Vamp84]

TJPags wrote...

Browneye_Vamp84 wrote...

when you meet up with Kristoff wife and you do that quest.. Justice says that he envy's the emotions and the such. so maybe Justice.. has gotten warped. he says that he wasnt sure about the 'evil' spirits in the fade.(something like that)

He's high on life. 

Sir Pounce A Lot.... think Anders scarificed him for the greater good??

[Scous3]

Aldaris951 wrote...

I would like to point out that even though grey wardens recruit blood mages ect, They still wouldnt give the chantry a reason to go to war with them, so its allmost impossible that a grey warden from another country would consider recruiting anders as it would give the chantry a reason to go to war with the wardens, Something the wardens have always tryed to avoid since the events of wardens keep.

um wasnt duncan from a different country and merely appointed leader of graywardens of amarathine also if you started a new save on awakining you were from orlais.... seriously why do you think chantry would go to war if the wardens conscripted someone who merely just escapes from the mage tower an gets sent back. There is no winning with you has your narrow minded and your ideas are set in stone tho so guess it will just have to suck for you then :-)

[Reaverwind]

stephen1493 wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Where is it said that the Wardens have ever harbored Abominations?

Using the definition of the word, Wynne was technically an abomination. Also, while Kristoff was dead at the time, Justice inhabiting his body was another example of an abomination.

Wynne never joins the Wardens, and may be killed by them - not the same deal. Kristoff, while possessed, is not an Abomination.

Closer to a walking corpse.

Wonder why he was able to keep his intellect while demons lose all forms of communication...

Maybe it's because he's a grey warden? It would definitly go along with the Sophia Dryden thing

I think it depends on the strength of the demon or spirit. Remember the Grand Old Oak?

[ejoslin]

stephen1493 wrote...

I think the main problem for us,or maybe I'm wrong, is that we never expected to epilogue to have contradictions.  I readily accepted the codex as such, but Making the epilouge specualtive and contradicting kind of hurts our closure at the end of the game. 

Idk I just think that a story shouldn't be rewritten just for someone's cameo, but if you can explain it then I'm ok with him coming back.

You know, Awakening directly contradicted several epilogues of Origins as well -- particularly the romance ones, but a few others as well.  And Witch Hunt blew a few more completely out of the water.

So I for one at least didn't expect them to start taking the epilogues seriously. 

Modifié par ejoslin, 16 février 2011 - 02:53 .

[Zanallen]

Reaverwind wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

Reaverwind wrote...

Where is it said that the Wardens have ever harbored Abominations?

Using the definition of the word, Wynne was technically an abomination. Also, while Kristoff was dead at the time, Justice inhabiting his body was another example of an abomination.

Wynne never joins the Wardens, and may be killed by them - not the same deal. Kristoff, while possessed, is not an Abomination.

I never said joined. I said harbored. Wynne is a potential companion to the warden. Though the events of DA:O, you find out that Wynne is possessed by a spirit, though it is by all accounts a good spirit who lets Wynne do the talking. Since you can allow Wynne to stay with you at this point, you are, in fact, harboring her or at the very least aiding and abetting a known abomination. And what makes Justice any less an abomination? I mean, sure, he is technically closer to a walking corpse than anything else, but does that make him any less a being possessed by a spirit?

[Miri1984]

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

Thank you! I was getting tired of saying this...

[The Big Nothing]

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

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Modifié par The Big Nothing, 16 février 2011 - 02:54 .

[mesmerizedish]

David Gaider wrote...

Aldaris951 wrote...
Yea I understand that, But other wardens from another country wouldnt risk recruiting anders because they would of risked war with the fereldan chantry. The wardens in Fereldan are ok recruiting anders because we are the warden commander, If a warden from orlays came, they wouldnt recruit anders or risk war with the chantry. they simply wouldnt risk it.

So... you know what the Grey Wardens would or would not do?

Well alrighty, then. Clearly you know better than I do.

Like I said, it's a hand-wave overall. We do explain how things came to be depending on your end result, but we don't sit there and guide you through it step-by-step. We treat the epilogues as hearsay and rumor, after all, and when it comes to things that were forecast far in the future they may indeed still happen. If you want to treat them as more than that, that's up to you.

Awakening disappointed me in that I never had the opportunity to really explain to Anders's hunters just what, exactly, the Right of Conscription entailed. I felt no remorse whatsoever killing them. They started it, I just finished it. I'm pretty sure that a lot of Grey Wardens would be just as bold about that. Origins makes it clear that the Grey Wardens don't turn away talent. If someone wanted to conscipt Anders, they'd do it. I don't think that the order does a lot of kowtowing to the Chantry. That's just me though

[Aldaris951]

In future games, I would prefer that if a character is killed off, that there wont be some loophole for that character to come back. Doing what they did with anders just removes choices from the game.



Btw Duncan's body was never found, so why not bring him back as well? if we are going by that reasoning. (I would love a duncan cameo in DA2)