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[yuncas]

Talon_Wu wrote...

Clearly you have never taken Gender Studies.Yes, looks are not indicators of the masculinity or feminity of an individual. Yes, there are all types of masculine and feminine traits - most of them norms created by society over the years. Women are nurturers, men protectors, and the like. Such preconceptions are the reason women couldn't vote, run for office, be doctors, or own any property. If this were still the Victorian era, Sarah Walker kicking ass would indeed be considered masculine, and deviantly so, but most of western society has moved beyond such pigeonholing. And if a man is confronted by six bikers, maybe calling for help is just smart, and not a mark against his masculinity.

As for Isabela's body being masculine...what? She has breasts, and childbearing hips (for want of a more lurid term). Masculine would imply a boyish figure, without, you know, lady lumps. Unless you are implying that the muscle tone needed for hand to hand fighting precludes femininity? If so, maybe you need to meet some different women.

This about sums up my opinion on the matter.

[Ms .45]

[quote]D.Kain wrote...

[quote]yuncas wrote...

[quote]D.Kain wrote...

How so? You seem to be leaning on a very classical view of femininity. (notice the italicized)[/quote]

Ok one more time.

Feminine Traits
Unintelligent and Incapable

Masculine Traits
Intelligent and competent
[/quote]

Dude, we are totally going to hunt you down. I'm not saying that you necessarily believe these things, but you're basically positioning contempt for women as an objective worldview.

[D.Kain]

Sabresandiego wrote...

When I described Isabella as feminine it was in regards to her large boobs, and large butt, with a small waist. She also has long hair, is well groomed, and appears to be wearing makeup.

When I describe god of war, or boris kodjoe as masculine, it is in regards to their lack of hair (high testosterone causes men to lose hair), chiseled physiques (muscles also caused by testosterone), and height (males are much taller than females). Thats all I meant with masculine and feminine. It had nothing to do with personality.

A masculine looking guy can have a very feminine personality, and vice versa. I was speaking in regards to looks alone.

Well then it doesn't make sense. Because sex organs such as breasts and characteristics like muscles and waist size are not about feminine or masculine. It's about female or male. 

Sorry. Just a very serious topic for me in my every day life. 

[Gilsa]

Kardol totally qualifies. NO ONE ELSE COMES CLOSE.

[yuncas]

D.Kain wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Exactly. A female is competitive? +1 to being masculine. A male is stupid? +1 to being feminine.

Please, please just stop talking. There isn't a cringe big enough in the world to encompass this

Let me guess you are offended because you are a woman? Well guess what. I haven't said anything about women at all... 

Can you seriously act like  the words feminine and masculine have no INHERENT connection to the female and male sex. You're just acting oblivious now.

[Aeryn-Sun]

Oh Lord, this thread is all kinds of amusing. I'm surprised belching and genital scratching aren't on that list. In fact, I've just decided I'm offended by their absence.

[D.Kain]

Ms .45 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

yuncas wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

How so? You seem to be leaning on a very classical view of femininity. (notice the italicized)

Ok one more time.

Feminine Traits
Unintelligent and Incapable

Masculine Traits
Intelligent and competent

Dude, we are totally going to hunt you down. I'm not saying that you necessarily believe these things, but you're basically positioning contempt for women as an objective worldview.

I'm starting to LOL now I can't take it anymore.. HAHA... 

I HAVEN'T SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN!!! 

Modifié par D.Kain, 16 février 2011 - 05:31 .

[Arassi]

feminine, masculine, doesn't matter...bald is incredibly sexy

[D.Kain]

yuncas wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

RosaAquafire wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Exactly. A female is competitive? +1 to being masculine. A male is stupid? +1 to being feminine.

Please, please just stop talking. There isn't a cringe big enough in the world to encompass this

Let me guess you are offended because you are a woman? Well guess what. I haven't said anything about women at all... 

Can you seriously act like  the words feminine and masculine have no INHERENT connection to the female and male sex. You're just acting oblivious now.

No I'm not acting. That's how I live my life. 

[yuncas]

[quote]Ms .45 wrote...

[quote]D.Kain wrote...

[quote]yuncas wrote...

[quote]D.Kain wrote...

How so? You seem to be leaning on a very classical view of femininity. (notice the italicized)[/quote]

Ok one more time.

Feminine Traits
Unintelligent and Incapable

Masculine Traits
Intelligent and competent
[/quote]

Dude, we are totally going to hunt you down. I'm not saying that you necessarily believe these things, but you're basically positioning contempt for women as an objective worldview. [/quote]


I think you messed something up there. I didn't type that.

[RosaAquafire]

Sabresandiego wrote...

When I described Isabella as feminine it was in regards to her large boobs, and large butt, with a small waist. She also has long hair, is well groomed, and appears to be wearing makeup.

When I describe god of war, or boris kodjoe as masculine, it is in regards to their lack of hair (high testosterone causes men to lose hair), chiseled physiques (muscles also caused by testosterone), and height (males are much taller than females). Thats all I meant with masculine and feminine. It had nothing to do with personality.

A masculine looking guy can have a very feminine personality, and vice versa. I was speaking in regards to looks alone.

That's the second time you've made this almost exact post on this page, bro

D.Kain wrote...
Let me guess you are offended because you are a woman? Well guess what. I haven't said anything about women at all... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I am a woman. And I'm "offended" because your incredibly clumsy handle on basic gender studies 101 is like watching a cat trying to climb a tree with no back legs.

[lazuli]

yuncas wrote...
WOOOOWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1950s  gender standards much? Seriously.

You can look at that list and see plenty of those stereotypes alive and well today.  Look at what magazines geared towards a specific gender are marketing.  I don't know that anyone here believes those traits are ideal or should be universally adopted by men and women respectively, but they still inform our societal definition of what it means to be masculine and what it means to be feminine.

[kcwME]

RosaAquafire wrote...

I am a woman. And I'm "offended" because your incredibly clumsy handle on basic gender studies 101 is like watching a cat trying to climb a tree with no back legs.

I don't know why but that analogy really made me Lol.

[yuncas]

Christ on a crutch. This is some ****. You seem to be trying to pass off half-ass misogyny as a good thing.

[UndercoverDoctor]

Hell yes.

Modifié par UndercoverDoctor, 16 février 2011 - 05:38 .

[lazuli]

yuncas wrote...

Christ on a crutch. This is some ****. You seem to be trying to pass off half-ass misogyny as a good thing.

Feminine does not equal female.  Masculine does not equal male.

[Sabresandiego]

Arassi wrote...

feminine, masculine, doesn't matter...bald is incredibly sexy

I have to admit that the bald female in your avatar is very pretty. The bald female linked at the begining of this thread was hideous.

[ReservoirKitty]

If you're talking bald and masculine, you need... Jason Statham.

Yum.

[London]

re: Lazuli



I think the lines are starting to get blurred. We now have bad-ass heorines in movies like Resident Evil that guys want to watch and guys that need to be saved in some movies, or a more "save each other" type of approach where the guy saves the girl, but then the guy gets overwhelmed and the girl has to land the final blow on the villain.



Also we have shows like CougarTown / Sex & the City that shows women as powerful and the mean as sex objects/stupid.



Even in men's magazines, men's bodies are now objectified - I don't know how many male torsoes I have to look at in GQ trying to sell me a cologne.



I think gone are the days where all women have to be portrayed as weak/helpless/demure. In fact many people find those representations of women to be dull.

[yuncas]

lazuli wrote...

yuncas wrote...
WOOOOWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1950s  gender standards much? Seriously.

You can look at that list and see plenty of those stereotypes alive and well today.  Look at what magazines geared towards a specific gender are marketing.  I don't know that anyone here believes those traits are ideal or should be universally adopted by men and women respectively, but they still inform our societal definition of what it means to be masculine and what it means to be feminine.

 Yes that is true. It doesn't mean the definitions aren't old fashioned and even backward.

[London]

PS: Bald does not always equal sexy or masculine. Case in point: Britney in her crazy (well, crazier) phase and RuPaul outside of drag lol.

[D.Kain]

RosaAquafire wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

When I described Isabella as feminine it was in regards to her large boobs, and large butt, with a small waist. She also has long hair, is well groomed, and appears to be wearing makeup.

When I describe god of war, or boris kodjoe as masculine, it is in regards to their lack of hair (high testosterone causes men to lose hair), chiseled physiques (muscles also caused by testosterone), and height (males are much taller than females). Thats all I meant with masculine and feminine. It had nothing to do with personality.

A masculine looking guy can have a very feminine personality, and vice versa. I was speaking in regards to looks alone.

That's the second time you've made this almost exact post on this page, bro

D.Kain wrote...
Let me guess you are offended because you are a woman? Well guess what. I haven't said anything about women at all... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

I am a woman. And I'm "offended" because your incredibly clumsy handle on basic gender studies 101 is like watching a cat trying to climb a tree with no back legs.

I'm gonna go crazy... I'm not talking to you about gender! 

Let's say feminine is wine and masculine is beer. Then let's say female is a glass and male is a cup. 
You can put wine in a glass or cup, and you can put beer in a glass or cup! 

Maybe that will make it clear? Hm? Feminine traits are not about female,  and masculine traits are not about male.

How many more times.  

I usually can understand when people don't agree with me. But you don't even understand what I'm saying.

[RosaAquafire]

D.Kain wrote...
I'm gonna go crazy... I'm not talking to you about gender! 

Let's say feminine is wine and masculine is beer. Then let's say female is a glass and male is a cup. 
You can put wine in a glass or cup, and you can put beer in a glass or cup! 

Maybe that will make it clear? Hm? Feminine traits are not about female,  and masculine traits are not about male.

How many more times.  

I usually can understand when people don't agree with me. But you don't even understand what I'm saying.

I give up. ok bro

[London]

D. Kain kind of misses the point. Weaker/less valued/more passive roles have been assigned "feminine" because they are based on antiquated notions of men and women.



You cannot use those terms and completely ignore why those terms are assigned the "gender" that they are.



Trying to say that you aren't talking about gender is just an unconscious attempt to perpetuate traditionalist notions of men and women.