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[kalassy]

I want to know why you DIDN'T buy it back when you first heard of it? BioWare/EA wanted to reward the people who were fans/supporters back before the media blitz and previews started. If you were unsure of the game back then, you really have no room to complain.

[DanteGunZ]

MRathbun wrote...

I was pretty set on getting the signature edition for DA-2. What I want to know is, why bioware decided to stop selling it before pre-orders were even up? Some people don't have money bleeding out their anus and need time to come up with some, so why screw the company out of more money and come up with a stupid idea like ending it? Whoever had that idea should be fired.

All I did was go to GameStop and put $6 down on the game, all you needed was $5 to secure yourself a copy of the Signature Edition. I did that way back in November, now I have the cash to pay for the rest.

[Itkovian]

MRathbun wrote...

I was pretty set on getting the signature edition for DA-2. What I want to know is, why bioware decided to stop selling it before pre-orders were even up? Some people don't have money bleeding out their anus and need time to come up with some, so why screw the company out of more money and come up with a stupid idea like ending it? Whoever had that idea should be fired.

Why would you need the money right away? It's a pre-order, which costs nothing from most retailers (or a few dollars at most).

The move for signature edition was obviously to encourage early pre-orders, which are used as an important measure of the game's success. It is furthermore another way to fight off the pre-owned sales, by encouraging people to pre-order a new copy and giving those people an exclusive bonus.

Furthermore, it probably makes more sense for them, since they would then know exactly how many "Signature Editions" to produce, thereby saving money on production cost of the more expensive edition (now they know they need to make X signatures, and the rest can be regular edition).

Either way, it does not in any way, shape, or form imply unethical behavior. You could have pre-ordered well in advance without paying anything.

Itkovian

[the_one_54321]

kalassy wrote...
BioWare/EA wanted to reward the people who were fans/supporters back before the media blitz and previews started.

That's incredibly naive. What they wanted to do was get a hook in you before you knew much about what the game was going to have or how other parts of it were going to be sold. Yes, technically you can cancel a preorder but how many people do you think would actually go to the trouble of that once they've preordered and had their heart set on playing the "extra" SE content?

[RiverLucky]

MRathbun wrote...

I was pretty set on getting the signature edition for DA-2. What I want to know is, why bioware decided to stop selling it before pre-orders were even up? Some people don't have money bleeding out their anus and need time to come up with some, so why screw the company out of more money and come up with a stupid idea like ending it? Whoever had that idea should be fired.

Well I can empathize for your frustration. I missed out on the signatue edition also.

But I think it was primarily done to boost the preorder numbers. I think the game fell off people's radars because initiallly it had gotten negative publicity because of the art change, gameplay changes etc.

It still is a cheap tactic.

And please spare me the it's not Bioware but EA's faults. Bioware is EA. They know about the marketing strategies being utilized.

[Veex]

the_one_54321 wrote...


That's incredibly naive. What they wanted to do was get a hook in you before you knew much about what the game was going to have or how other parts of it were going to be sold. Yes, technically you can cancel a preorder but how many people do you think would actually go to the trouble of that once they've preordered and had their heart set on playing the "extra" SE content?

No one? Why would someone cancel a pre-order of the SE to purchase a regular edition at the same price? If they didn't like what they learned after reserving a pre-order then they simply would have cancelled and been no worse for wear. It isn't naive at all.

[Drake Sigar]

I hear you! Bioware didn’t give us enough time. I was still recovering from my spending binge on the Ghostbusters Slimer Edition - only a hundred bucks or so for a keychain and a cheap plastic model made in Korean sweatshops. In fact I’ll buy anything that says ‘Edition’ at the end. They could stick a bag of poop in the box and I’d fork over my credit cards.

[Black_Warden]

the_one_54321 wrote...

kalassy wrote...
BioWare/EA wanted to reward the people who were fans/supporters back before the media blitz and previews started.

That's incredibly naive. What they wanted to do was get a hook in you before you knew much about what the game was going to have or how other parts of it were going to be sold. Yes, technically you can cancel a preorder but how many people do you think would actually go to the trouble of that once they've preordered and had their heart set on playing the "extra" SE content?

based on these forums? about 50 people anytime a new piece of info came out "proving" that this game is terrible/hack&slash/racist/dumbed-down etc.

but seriously, "how many people would actually go to the trouble" is not really a valid argument, because that has absolutely nothing to do with Bioware's offer anymore. The option to cancel is there, right up until March 6th or 7th (i think, right before launch anyway), if an individual who isn't impressed with how the game is looking chooses not to cancel their pre-order, that's their choice and they have no grounds to blame anyone but themeselves for the consequences of that choice.

[Savvie]

MRathbun wrote...

I was pretty set on getting the signature edition for DA-2. What I want to know is, why bioware decided to stop selling it before pre-orders were even up? Some people don't have money bleeding out their anus and need time to come up with some, so why screw the company out of more money and come up with a stupid idea like ending it? Whoever had that idea should be fired.

Remember too that the signature edition was Bioware's version of a limited collectors editions so the limited amount of time to purchase it makes sense. As many others have stated there was plenty of time to put down a pre-order for it, but you wouldn't have been charged to pay for it yet. I think Bioware handled it appropriately.

[Mad-Max90]

I think he meant Microsoft should have bought bioware when it had the chance but it's whatever, I preordered forever ago to avoid this delima, now people who didn't preorder in the large time that was allotted are coming out the woodworks to complain, feelsbadman for them, but damn feelsgoodman for me

[the_one_54321]

Black_Warden wrote...
but seriously, "how many people would actually go to the trouble" is not really a valid argument, because that has absolutely nothing to do with Bioware's offer anymore. The option to cancel is there, right up until March 6th or 7th (i think, right before launch anyway), if an individual who isn't impressed with how the game is looking chooses not to cancel their pre-order, that's their choice and they have no grounds to blame anyone but themeselves for the consequences of that choice.

It's not an argument and I'm not trying to prove anything. it was just conjecture and musing on the motives.

First off there no way in hell they are going to paint their offers in a negative way, no matter what they intend them to do. Concievably, EA could have guys talking about sales literally calling gamers a bunch of dummies who will throw money at anything that sparkles and brainstorming about how to suck every last dime out of your bank account that they possibly can, but when they announce their sales offers they will still use words like "bonus" and "extras" and "free" because the whole point is to sell the game, not to be honest.

Secondly, while I don't actually believe there are any suits in EA talking about how stupid gamers are with their money, I will continue to assert that accepting features as a bonus just because they called it a bonus is incredibly naive. That's like accepting that a total stranger is not lying just because that person is able to sound convincingly scincere.

[Black_Warden]

the_one_54321 wrote...

It's not an argument and I'm not trying to prove anything. it was just conjecture and musing on the motives.

First off there no way in hell they are going to paint their offers in a negative way, no matter what they intend them to do. Concievably, EA could have guys talking about sales literally calling gamers a bunch of dummies who will throw money at anything that sparkles and brainstorming about how to suck every last dime out of your bank account that they possibly can, but when they announce their sales offers they will still use words like "bonus" and "extras" and "free" because the whole point is to sell the game, not to be honest.

Secondly, while I don't actually believe there are any suits in EA talking about how stupid gamers are with their money, I will continue to assert that accepting features as a bonus just because they called it a bonus is incredibly naive. That's like accepting that a total stranger is not lying just because that person is able to sound convincingly scincere.

I'd argue that i have just as much proof that it really is a bonus as you do that it isn't. which is to say, none.

[Mad-Max90]

How is this any worse than paying 80 dollars for the collector's edition of a game, to me it's even better, since it's bioware I know the quality is going to be great, sorry if I don't believe every naysayer on these forums. But to get mad because you didn't preorder and get a FREE upgrade to the signature edition, is really silly and only goes to show how childish some of you can get.

[the_one_54321]

Black_Warden wrote...
I'd argue that i have just as much proof that it really is a bonus as you do that it isn't. which is to say, none.

Who was claiming to have proof?
I've been saying that the "extras" are a bonus or not a bonus based on comparisons to other sales. For example, the DLC Prince is absolutely not a bonus, by comparison to how Shale was packaged and offered, and to how the extra ME2 characters were completed and sold. All the random DLC items are bonuses by comparison to how other DLC bonus items have been offered in the past. Besides this, there are all kinds of little clues in the advertisement language that implies they are trying to nickle-and-dime extra money out of us. Frankly, I've found some of it bordering on insulting to my intelligence.

[kalassy]

the_one_54321 wrote...

kalassy wrote...
BioWare/EA wanted to reward the people who were fans/supporters back before the media blitz and previews started.

That's incredibly naive. What they wanted to do was get a hook in you before you knew much about what the game was going to have or how other parts of it were going to be sold. Yes, technically you can cancel a preorder but how many people do you think would actually go to the trouble of that once they've preordered and had their heart set on playing the "extra" SE content?

Um, you're saying the exact same thing I'm saying, so I'm not sure what "point" you're trying to convey.

[RevilFox]

kalassy wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

kalassy wrote...
BioWare/EA wanted to reward the people who were fans/supporters back before the media blitz and previews started.

That's incredibly naive. What they wanted to do was get a hook in you before you knew much about what the game was going to have or how other parts of it were going to be sold. Yes, technically you can cancel a preorder but how many people do you think would actually go to the trouble of that once they've preordered and had their heart set on playing the "extra" SE content?

Um, you're saying the exact same thing I'm saying, so I'm not sure what "point" you're trying to convey.

The difference is that he's being super negetive about it, and you're being positive. So you're saying that Bioware wanted to reward their true fans by giving them extra stuff if they pre-order baised just on faith in the company when they couldn't know anything about the game itself. He's saying that Bioware wanted to punish their true fans by getting them to pre-order when they knew nothing about the game, so then it wouldn't matter when they released information that everyone would hate. 

[the_one_54321]

kalassy wrote...
Um, you're saying the exact same thing I'm saying, so I'm not sure what "point" you're trying to convey.

I don't think I am. You said they were rewarding early buyers. I'm saying they were trying to trick people into commiting early. I don't see it as a "reward" in the slightest.

RevilFox wrote...
He's saying that Bioware wanted to punish their true fans by getting them to pre-order

No, what I'm saying is more like they are punishing those who don't preorder by charging them extra for the same content.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 16 février 2011 - 04:43 .

[Johnny Shepard]

kalassy wrote...

I want to know why you DIDN'T buy it back when you first heard of it? BioWare/EA wanted to reward the people who were fans/supporters back before the media blitz and previews started. If you were unsure of the game back then, you really have no room to complain.

This.

[Black_Warden]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...
I'd argue that i have just as much proof that it really is a bonus as you do that it isn't. which is to say, none.

Who was claiming to have proof?
I've been saying that the "extras" are a bonus or not a bonus based on comparisons to other sales. For example, the DLC Prince is absolutely not a bonus, by comparison to how Shale was packaged and offered, and to how the extra ME2 characters were completed and sold. All the random DLC items are bonuses by comparison to how other DLC bonus items have been offered in the past. Besides this, there are all kinds of little clues in the advertisement language that implies they are trying to nickle-and-dime extra money out of us. Frankly, I've found some of it bordering on insulting to my intelligence.

The Stone Prisoner (shale) DLC is closer to the Black Emporium in implimentation, as it is an incentive to purchase the game new, not used (i think, i don't remember actually if the BE is for all new copies or just pre-orders). the extra character himself, Vael, is also closer to Shale than to Zaeed/Kasumi, as he is fully integrated into the game (unlike how there was no interactions with Zaeed/Kasumi outside of their loyalty quests). Also, Vael was part of the incentive (i agree with you, not a bonus) to pre-order early, though he is available as well to those who do not have the SE as well, albeit for the same price (if not less) than a character add-on DLC usually goes for.

As for nickle and diming, i've got 9 items (10 once the demo comes, more once legends goes live), an extra character (2 if you count the dog), the soundtrack, and the black emporium all for free. free shipping as well, as i ordered during that weekend promotion back in october. i fail to see how i'm being nickle & dimed. perhaps you could explain that point more clearly?


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the_one_54321 wrote...

kalassy wrote...
Um, you're saying the exact same thing I'm saying, so I'm not sure what "point" you're trying to convey.

I don't think I am. You said they were rewarding early buyers. I'm saying they were trying to trick people into commiting early. I don't see it as a "reward" in the slightest.

Pre-ordering this or any game does NOT commit the person ordering to anything, they can pre-order 6 months in advance, and cancel a week before launch at no loss to themselves.

Modifié par Black_Warden, 16 février 2011 - 04:48 .

[the_one_54321]

Oh, indeed Vael is fully integrated into the game. But you can't use him unless you pay extra. Or committed to buying the game early.

You, and I mean you specifically along with anyone else that preordered in time, are not getting nickle-and-dimed. But anyone that did not do so is very much being scraped for any extra bit of cash possible. As mentioned above, anyone who didn't commit to buying the game early has to pay extra for every last extra bit. A lot of which is already finished and ready for distribution along with the main game.

Black_Warden wrote...
Pre-ordering this or any game does NOT commit the person ordering to anything

It does if you want the "extras." 

Modifié par the_one_54321, 16 février 2011 - 04:48 .

[Phoenixblight]

the_one_54321 wrote...


I don't think I am. You said they were rewarding early buyers. I'm saying they were trying to trick people into commiting early. I don't see it as a "reward" in the slightest.

Again there is no commitment for preordering the game, you are acting as if the people that have preorered are in some kind of permanent contract where they can't cancel the said preorder. I can play the demo and that day say I don't want the game and cancel it that day, No harm no foul. There is no tricking. 


And whats the saying? You snooze you lose. 

the_one_54321 wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...
Pre-ordering this or any game does NOT commit the person ordering to anything

It does if you want the "extras." 

If you don't want the game what would be the point in getting the extra items? Thats a bit childish. "I won't like this game but I sure as hell want the extras" Yeah I totally see the logic there.......Not 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 16 février 2011 - 04:52 .

[Count Viceroy]

Your fault for not grabbing the offer while it lasted. get over it.



I've had the game preordered for months and I haven't paid a single penny for it yet.

[coomber]

koshiee wrote...

agree but for different reasons

Me too

[Lord_Saulot]

Preordering the Signature Edition on Amazon required no money down. There was nothing unethical about stopping a promotion early, that was designed to reward people who preordered early.

[the_one_54321]

Phoenixblight wrote...
you are acting as if the people that have preorered are in some kinda of permanent contract where they can't cancel the said preorder.

No, that's not what I'm saying. Though I am saying that I doubt many who preordered will actually cancel even if they find they are dissappointed with the demo. Specificaly, the notion that one cannot be trying to trick if one includes all the information is false. Advertisers constantly offer bad deals, include all the information, and still make it fly just by painting everything in possitive language. And people fall for that. All. The. Time.

Phoenixblight wrote...
And whats the saying? You snooze you lose.

The saying that I recal is that good things come to those who wait.
And I'm sure you have another "saying" to respond to that with, as I will have one to respond to that one with. Arguing with clever phrases never gets anywhere. There is always a count-clever-phrase.