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[tuejmccoy]

 I've got this dude's first name from

http://www.ag.ru/art...gon_age_2/5240 

and since russians tend to take their liberties translating names, especially regarding "g" and "h", his first name could also be Hamlen.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SPOEILERS !!!!!!!!!!!!

Regardless Gamlen Amell is Hawke's uncle, who you are going to meet upon your arrival in Krikwall. He is likely the one introducing the player to the city, giving the major quests at the beginning of the game, since one of your first main quests is gonna be to get your family's estate back.(Uncle's business wasnt going so well lately, he needed some cash. Long story short u need to get some gold to repay uncle's debts and get it back).

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! END OF SPOILERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Since it was allready stated, that the human mage Warden (default name: Daylen/Solona Amell) is related to Hawke (Hawke's mother=Leandra Hawke (née Amell)), is it likely that Gamlen is Wardens father?  

DISCUSS....

[CruserBoii]

I doubt it. If he was, then why would the human mage warden be in the Fereldan circle instead of Kirkwalls?

[HolyJellyfish]

Mm. I have a theory that the Human Mage Warden was Hawke's eldest sibling, and possibly Mama Hawke's reason why she protected Bethany and Mage!Hawke from the Chantry Police. To prevent losing another child.

[AtreiyaN7]

EDIT: Entirely possible I'm confused - slightly dizzy + under the weather.

DOUBLE EDIT: Oh yeah, does not pay to try to sort through that while dizzy. *excises original post*

Take two:

Gamlen Amell = Hawke's uncle
Leandra Hawke nee Amell = Hawke's mom
____ Hawke = Hawke's father

Okay, now that I have that in order (I think), do we know if Gamlen ever popped over to Ferelden? It's certainly possible that he had traveled to Ferelden in the past when he was younger, but I'm sort of iffy on that unless he reveals some information to that effect when we play the game. If not him, then obviously other Amells made their way to Ferelden, so I'll go with the Warden potentially being a cousin or second cousin, likely more distantly related than that would be my guess. Of course, BW could really surprise us - heh.

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 février 2011 - 09:45 .

[tuejmccoy]

CruserBoii wrote...

I doubt it. If he was, then why would the human mage warden be in the Fereldan circle instead of Kirkwalls?

Hmm, good point. On the other hand, why would a branch of the Amell-family go to Fereldren, if they are nobility in Kirkwall. Moma-Hawke had her reason, but what would be Warden's parent(s) reasons be. Besides judging by DA:O+A story, noble families dont tend to be big, see Couslands or Howes. So Amells being just a wide-spread and big family/name seems also unlikely.

Also from Wynne's story i got the impression that Circles are made to bind the individual mages to the Cirlce/Chantry and more or less sever their connections to their families, which would be better accomplished by bringing the children to a Circle not in their homeland.

Hawke's family must have been in Ferelden a while, but if Gamlen (will go with that name) sired any other children,err, wouldn't his child's surname be Hawke? Assuming I don't have this mixed up, Leandra is an Amell, while Gamlen is a Hawke.

I don't think Galmen is the mage Warden's father, but I assume that there's some kind of connection via Leanra's side of the family. I'm sure it's possible that other Amell's decided to emigrate from Kirkwall to Ferelden. I'm thinking potential cousins/second cousins - something like that perhaps.

Gamlen (now the devs got to rename him, even if he wasnt Gamlen before) is definitely an Amell. The russian article says so, and it makes more sence considering this.

[Adhin]

Yeah no the Warden Human Mage whatever-Amell is, at closest a first Cousin. Not a brother/sister, not a father. Basically the father of Warden Mage Amell would be Hawke's Mothers brother, or cousin via her fathers brothers, son (making it a 2nd cousin). That or your getting into half-brother territory via incest and that just would be awkward and not something bioware wouldn't really do.

Im sure the story as to why your whole family moved to Ferelden encompasses other family members.

Modifié par Adhin, 16 février 2011 - 09:45 .

[Riosred]

I thought mages couldn't be nobility?

[Spartansfan8888]

Riosred wrote...

I thought mages couldn't be nobility?

A mage's parents are not always mages themselves; such as the Eamon and Connor situation

[Adhin]

That maybe very much the reasoning why they had to leave. The Chantry if you look at the history prior to Origin stuff started up, there was a 'tyrant' leader involved and the chantry its self wasn't in any major capacity. The Templars basically killed him stating it was for the good of all and his replacement has put the Templars and Chantry as basically a high power in the city now and has the circle tower (which is IN a city, that's not even close to how it is in Ferelden) is now under an Iron Grip via the templars.

If I had to wager a guess I'd say thats the main reason why your family left and a HUGE reason for there to be a massive mage vs chantry theme in the story for DA2. All of which is made more personal, regardless of your class due to your Hawke's family. I think its gonna be a hell of a ride overall.

Modifié par Adhin, 16 février 2011 - 09:55 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Riosred wrote...

I thought mages couldn't be nobility?

Yep. if a child with magical abilities is born to a noble family, his/her  title and claims to land, etc. are stripped away once he/she is outed as mage if I remember correctly. You don't get to be both. Well, I suppose someone could try to hide it and keep his/her title and lands. Of course, that didn't exactly work out well with Connor - heh - silly Isolde.

EDIT: ARGH - typos. *bonk self*

Modifié par AtreiyaN7, 16 février 2011 - 09:57 .

[AtreiyaN7]

tuejmccoy wrote...

CruserBoii wrote...

I doubt it. If he was, then why would the human mage warden be in the Fereldan circle instead of Kirkwalls?

Hmm, good point. On the other hand, why would a branch of the Amell-family go to Fereldren, if they are nobility in Kirkwall. Moma-Hawke had her reason, but what would be Warden's parent(s) reasons be. Besides judging by DA:O+A story, noble families dont tend to be big, see Couslands or Howes. So Amells being just a wide-spread and big family/name seems also unlikely.

Also from Wynne's story i got the impression that Circles are made to bind the individual mages to the Cirlce/Chantry and more or less sever their connections to their families, which would be better accomplished by bringing the children to a Circle not in their homeland.

Hawke's family must have been in Ferelden a while, but if Gamlen (will go with that name) sired any other children,err, wouldn't his child's surname be Hawke? Assuming I don't have this mixed up, Leandra is an Amell, while Gamlen is a Hawke.

I don't think Galmen is the mage Warden's father, but I assume that there's some kind of connection via Leanra's side of the family. I'm sure it's possible that other Amell's decided to emigrate from Kirkwall to Ferelden. I'm thinking potential cousins/second cousins - something like that perhaps.

Gamlen (now the devs got to rename him, even if he wasnt Gamlen before) is definitely an Amell. The russian article says so, and it makes more sence considering this.

Yep, yep, totally revised my post after I got that straightened out - hehe. *points up at revised post* Totally misread it earlier, but I'm a little close to keeling over in bed atm - lol.

[Adhin]

Also keep in mind this isn't Fereldan or other parts of Thedas. If you look at Tevinter in the Dragon Age (the age its self not the game...erm...but still the game) they have male priests and mages still in power to some capacity. They've just undergone a sort of semi-structural change to some extent. They have chantrys and so forth but there all ran differently. Kinda like real life, just cause a religion is one way in one part of the world doesn't mean its handled the exact same way in another part of the world.

And the Free Marchs, from my understanding has been generally a fuedal system more or less outside the reigns of a lot of the other nations. So it makes sense, to some extent, that up till recently the Chantry didn't have quite the same hold as it does in other places, or that it would be run differently to some extent.

Modifié par Adhin, 16 février 2011 - 10:02 .

[atheelogos]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Mm. I have a theory that the Human Mage Warden was Hawke's eldest sibling, and possibly Mama Hawke's reason why she protected Bethany and Mage!Hawke from the Chantry Police. To prevent losing another child.

Devs have said that Hawke is the eldest.

[Riosred]

Ahhhhh.....it's all coming together now.......cooollll

[Haasth]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Mm. I have a theory that the Human Mage Warden was Hawke's eldest sibling, and possibly Mama Hawke's reason why she protected Bethany and Mage!Hawke from the Chantry Police. To prevent losing another child.

I believe they have already said otherwise to this. But that'd be awesome, I must say. Would make it quite a lot more interesting. 

[HolyAvenger]

Gaider has specifically said that Hawke and the Amell warden are quite distantly related.

[Riosred]

Yep http://dragonage.wik...ki/Amell_family

[Vengeful Nature]

As to why human mage Warden is in Fereldan instead of Kirkwall, wouldn't it make sense that mage kids are taken to another country to become a mage, to make it harder for the parents to get him/her back if they wanted, and to prevent them from bumping into each other while he/she is on an assignment in the city or something? So the Warden could be G/Hamlen's kid.

I don't think the Warden is Leandra's child, though. He'd be called Hawke instead of Amell. The only possibility for that is that Leandra had a kid outside of wedlock with another man who, for some reason, wasn't worth or wasn't able to give the Warden his name. Maybe he died. Then, to compound things, the kid was taken by the Chantry. Then she met Papa Hawke and spawned the Hawkelings, swearing that she'd never lose any other kids to the Chantry again. So this makes the Warden Hawke's half-sibling.

Actually that's kinda cool.

Edit:

HolyAvenger wrote...

Gaider has specifically said that Hawke and the Amell warden are quite distantly related.

Oh, I didn't know that. Just how distant is distantly? Like removed cousins?

Modifié par Vengeful Nature, 16 février 2011 - 11:09 .

[Lilunebrium]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Gaider has specifically said that Hawke and the Amell warden are quite distantly related.

Can I get a link to that? Last time I heard, all he said was the relationship between the Warden and Hawke was 'nothing earth-shattering'.

It'd be nice to finally get some sort of update, however small.

[HolyAvenger]

Sorry, cbf quote-hunting. Can't even remember the thread it was in.

[Taleroth]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Gaider has specifically said that Hawke and the Amell warden are quite distantly related.

When did he say distantly.  All I read was "not earth-shattering."  Which could be cousins, but not siblings.

[andar91]

I've got the impression that the Amell warden is definitely related to Hawke, perhaps through his Uncle, but the "nothing earth-shattering" part was referring to the fact that, whether he's a cousin, second cousin, or whatever, Hawke has probably never met him/her or even really know about them. After all, mages are taken to the tower when they're quite young in most cases.

[Lilunebrium]

Edit: You know. I should really start making mental notes not to comment on a post until I've actually read what it says.

Modifié par Lilunebrium, 16 février 2011 - 03:46 .

[MasterSamson88]

 I doubt there's any relation. It is just a last name afterall.

[Lilunebrium]

MasterSamson88 wrote...

 I doubt there's any relation. It is just a last name afterall.

Lovely David Gaider has confirmed that there is a relation between the two. He has yet to specify what kind, however.