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[AlexXIV]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...

FereldenDweller wrote...

I have now preordered, too late of course, because by the time I found out about Origins and finished it it was already too late (wish there had been a lot more marketing when it came out so I would have known about the best game ever back then...) And frankly, I don't feel entitled to ANY free content. All I ask is to be able to BUY the content that was available in the special edition. I am more than happy to pay for it. My only gripe is if any of the content is exclusive and can't even be purchased by other loyal pre-ordering (albeit late) customers. Let the rest of the pre-order customers at least buy the rest of the content is all I ask. And it's not a question of entitlement, it's a question of taking care of your customers and rewarding good customers instead of punishing them. Heck, if that stuff is unavailable to the rest of us then what incentive does anyone else have to preorder the regular edition that is still available to preorder? Do they want pre-orders or don't they?

The point of offering an exclusive collector's/special/signature edition is that it's exclusive. This point would be defeated if the items making this edition exclusive were, you know, not exclusive....

The point of offering exclusive collerctor/special/signature edition is that's it's exclusive. But what's the point of having exclusive items in a video game? That you can point at your friend and laugh at him because he doesn't have it?

The general premise of pre-order goodies in this case is to fight against Used Video game sale companies companies such as Gamestop.

Because on pure used game sales the producer/developer dont see a red cent

If you sell your used game, won't you sell the pre-order stuff with it? The only people who are disadvantaged are who regularly buy the game after release tbh.

[Nezahoo]

Nope. They sold millions.

End qoute.

[the_one_54321]

AlexXIV wrote...
If you sell your used game, won't you sell the pre-order stuff with it? The only people who are disadvantaged are who regularly buy the game after release tbh.

I am pretty sure that they only work for the original buyer, even on the consoles.

[Black_Warden]

AlexXIV wrote...
If you sell your used game, won't you sell the pre-order stuff with it? The only people who are disadvantaged are who regularly buy the game after release tbh.

Not unless you never used them yourself, as they're tied to your account

[Tleining]

@ coomber

bioware decided to stop giving away 20$ worth of content for free. Show me one shop that stays in business and continously gives away valuable content for free.

[crimzontearz]

JohnEpler wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Yeah but its Bioware people talking to us not EA.

yeah but  they report to EA not to other Bioware employees

You are aware, of course, that no one on the development team is required to respond to threads. We come on these boards of our own free will and often in our own free time. Not to mention, none of us are obligated to respond to any post or topic if we don't want to. So to suggest that we're just repeating the EA company line - well, frankly, I don't need to post at all, and if I'm posting something it's because I want to clarify a point. If I'm not allowed to comment on something, or if I don't have something to add, I just won't post.

So if you're getting a response from a developer, as far as we're aware it's 100% true. We're not in the business of lying, particularly when it's relating to part of our job that's entirely optional. I'm not about to sacrifice my integrity just because someone on the forums is upset about a decision we've made.

uhm.....how to put this in a way that is not offensive at all....

ok, John, we spoke before and you should know (or I hope you know) by now that I do have the utmost respect for you guys.........but..........that said I DO work for a company with a large marketing department and I do work with the public since I am (partly) in C.S.

so....that said, it is not my job per se to answer certain questions to our customers since I should defer to others or home office, but if I DO answer said questions my answer has to match what I have been told to tell the customers in spite of what I believe/know to be the truth (or the whole truth).

do I believe  you guys are all evil and twirl your goatee while flicking your red pointy tail? no...of course not, but given my experience I really cannot help but take "everything" I am given with a shovelful of salt even tho my first instinct is to believe at least YOU.

And in no way shape or form I am not grateful or not amazed that you guys do take time to come here and talk to us (I laugh at my friends who follow other franchises and  complain that the developers never talk to them.......it's very cathartic).

[CheesecakeRecipe]

AlexXIV wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Black_Warden wrote...

FereldenDweller wrote...

I have now preordered, too late of course, because by the time I found out about Origins and finished it it was already too late (wish there had been a lot more marketing when it came out so I would have known about the best game ever back then...) And frankly, I don't feel entitled to ANY free content. All I ask is to be able to BUY the content that was available in the special edition. I am more than happy to pay for it. My only gripe is if any of the content is exclusive and can't even be purchased by other loyal pre-ordering (albeit late) customers. Let the rest of the pre-order customers at least buy the rest of the content is all I ask. And it's not a question of entitlement, it's a question of taking care of your customers and rewarding good customers instead of punishing them. Heck, if that stuff is unavailable to the rest of us then what incentive does anyone else have to preorder the regular edition that is still available to preorder? Do they want pre-orders or don't they?

The point of offering an exclusive collector's/special/signature edition is that it's exclusive. This point would be defeated if the items making this edition exclusive were, you know, not exclusive....

The point of offering exclusive collerctor/special/signature edition is that's it's exclusive. But what's the point of having exclusive items in a video game? That you can point at your friend and laugh at him because he doesn't have it?

The general premise of pre-order goodies in this case is to fight against Used Video game sale companies companies such as Gamestop.

Because on pure used game sales the producer/developer dont see a red cent

If you sell your used game, won't you sell the pre-order stuff with it? The only people who are disadvantaged are who regularly buy the game after release tbh.

No, the items are tied to your account once you use them. It's based off of a code, that can be used once and only once. You are stuck with those items forever, whereas whoever buys your copy you sell off does not get them at all, unless they buy them as DLC from the marketplace.

[Victia]

JohnEpler wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Morroian wrote...

Yeah but its Bioware people talking to us not EA.

yeah but  they report to EA not to other Bioware employees

You are aware, of course, that no one on the development team is required to respond to threads. We come on these boards of our own free will and often in our own free time. Not to mention, none of us are obligated to respond to any post or topic if we don't want to. So to suggest that we're just repeating the EA company line - well, frankly, I don't need to post at all, and if I'm posting something it's because I want to clarify a point. If I'm not allowed to comment on something, or if I don't have something to add, I just won't post.

So if you're getting a response from a developer, as far as we're aware it's 100% true. We're not in the business of lying, particularly when it's relating to part of our job that's entirely optional. I'm not about to sacrifice my integrity just because someone on the forums is upset about a decision we've made.

I (amoung many many others) really appreciate the dev's coming on here, as far as I am aware Bioware are the only games company that allows fans to directly interact with the company!

I also thought the Signature Edition was a great marketing tool as it rewarded fans who will buy the game regardless, in other words it was a nice 'hey you follow us blindly - here have free stuff'. And to be honest even if the reviews had been terrible I would still have bought the game as what a reviewer thinks is often not what I think at all!

[Dr. wonderful]

JohnEpler wrote...

You are aware, of course, that no one on the development team is required to respond to threads. We come on these boards of our own free will and often in our own free time. 

And I want to thank you and ALL of the Bioware staff.

It's nice to actually talk to and see what Developers, writers etc etc have to say.

[Stanley Woo]

coomber wrote...
First, thank you for posting in this thread. It's good to see Bioware's stance on this, as most of us who disapprove of this marketing had laid the blame for this entirely at EA's feet. Now we know nobody twisted Bioware's arm.

Actually, you don't know that, as I haven't said anything about it one way or the other. I'm responding only to the arguments put forth by people to justify their feelings and/or complaints.

To respond to your analogy, you are quite right - a store is not obligated to stay open beyond its hours. But it *chooses* the hours it stays open for - and Bioware decided to shut up shop months before the game was released. And it is that *choice* that we feel was unfair.

This is a perfectly fair complaint. Not one that anyone can do anything about at this point, but fair and succinct.

Edit: Reading that back, I can see a predictable response coming my way in that I chose not to pre-order. No - I was not aware of the pre-order offer until the day it ended, otherwise I would have put my money down.

i have always been a proponent of consumer choice. It is your power to choose, and you should take ownership of it, regardless of whether you pre-ordered or not. Choosing not to purchase something, regardless of the reason, is always allowed.

[Quinnzel]

Worst idea? Not for me it 'twasnt. Some tasty sounding weapons, a fellow Scottish voiced charactor, a soundtrack (Imma sucker for em) and all the other jazz at no extra cost? In fact I got it for cheaper than standard retail after discovering I had saved up some game.co.uk reward points.



It sucks for the people that missed out on the SE due to timing/money/life/robot monkeys but at least there's a chance to pick up some of this stuff (at a cost) unlike some other games where the collectors edition items REMAIN exclusively collector edition items.

[Purple People Eater]

Worst marketing idea ever?. No way. Anybody remember the dead rats screaming about a pepper bar in those old Quiznos commercials?. I havent eaten there since.

Modifié par Purple People Eater, 16 février 2011 - 11:33 .

[Victia]

@Quinnzel - Dont mention the Robot Monkeys they will hear you, and you know what happens if they do!!!!



On the other - on topic - points I am with you 110%

[coomber]

Stanley Woo wrote...

coomber wrote...
First, thank you for posting in this thread. It's good to see Bioware's stance on this, as most of us who disapprove of this marketing had laid the blame for this entirely at EA's feet. Now we know nobody twisted Bioware's arm.

Actually, you don't know that, as I haven't said anything about it one way or the other. I'm responding only to the arguments put forth by people to justify their feelings and/or complaints.

Edit: Reading that back, I can see a predictable response coming my way in that I chose not to pre-order. No - I was not aware of the pre-order offer until the day it ended, otherwise I would have put my money down.

i have always been a proponent of consumer choice. It is your power to choose, and you should take ownership of it, regardless of whether you pre-ordered or not. Choosing not to purchase something, regardless of the reason, is always allowed.

Fair enough, Stanley - though if I was you and I didn't agree with the pre-order marketing I wouldn't have got involved in this debate in any way, shape or form, lol!

And just to clarify, I would have pre-ordered if I had known about it. But not everyone reads forums several months in advance of a game coming out and, unfortunately, I'm one of them!

[Cloaking_Thane]

coomber wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

coomber wrote...
First, thank you for posting in this thread. It's good to see Bioware's stance on this, as most of us who disapprove of this marketing had laid the blame for this entirely at EA's feet. Now we know nobody twisted Bioware's arm.

Actually, you don't know that, as I haven't said anything about it one way or the other. I'm responding only to the arguments put forth by people to justify their feelings and/or complaints.

Edit: Reading that back, I can see a predictable response coming my way in that I chose not to pre-order. No - I was not aware of the pre-order offer until the day it ended, otherwise I would have put my money down.

i have always been a proponent of consumer choice. It is your power to choose, and you should take ownership of it, regardless of whether you pre-ordered or not. Choosing not to purchase something, regardless of the reason, is always allowed.

Fair enough, Stanley - though if I was you and I didn't agree with the pre-order marketing I wouldn't have got involved in this debate in any way, shape or form, lol!

And just to clarify, I would have pre-ordered if I had known about it. But not everyone reads forums several months in advance of a game coming out and, unfortunately, I'm one of them!

So you wouldnt take a glance at the bioware site, or anything for 4 months?

[coomber]

No, as I have made clear. I'm 35, mate - much as I love Bioware and their games, I don't have that much time to dedicate to their products, marketing or forums. Wish I did!

[Cloaking_Thane]

coomber wrote...

No, as I have made clear. I'm 35, mate - much as I love Bioware and their games, I don't have that much time to dedicate to their products, marketing or forums. Wish I did!

Mate I have an 8-6 and I had time to take a glance from Oct to January, just saying, its not like typing in www.bioware.com while surfing would take up much time especially if you enjoy their products.

Sign up for a newsletter and you can get updates in email....there are multiple options to keep abreast of info at minimal time or effort to you

[MadLaughter]

Economics dictates that markets reach the most socially efficient point only if there is perfect information. So a need to be informed isn't something to hold against the consumer.



Bad science.

[Wishpig]

Quinnzel wrote...
It sucks for the people that missed out on the SE due to timing/money/life/robot monkeys but at least there's a chance to pick up some of this stuff (at a cost) unlike some other games where the collectors edition items REMAIN exclusively collector edition items.

This...

On the plus side it really rewards the loyal fanbase by giving them a bunch of cool stuff for free.

On the other side I'm one of those people who couldn't afford it then been can afford it now... so I feel a bit screwed.

[Victia]

Wishpig wrote...

Quinnzel wrote...
It sucks for the people that missed out on the SE due to timing/money/life/robot monkeys but at least there's a chance to pick up some of this stuff (at a cost) unlike some other games where the collectors edition items REMAIN exclusively collector edition items.

This...

On the plus side it really rewards the loyal fanbase by giving them a bunch of cool stuff for free.

On the other side I'm one of those people who couldn't afford it then been can afford it now... so I feel a bit screwed.

I still havent paid for my sig ed - amazon dont take payment untill its despatched!

[Phoenixblight]

Wishpig wrote...

Quinnzel wrote...
It sucks for the people that missed out on the SE due to timing/money/life/robot monkeys but at least there's a chance to pick up some of this stuff (at a cost) unlike some other games where the collectors edition items REMAIN exclusively collector edition items.

This...

On the plus side it really rewards the loyal fanbase by giving them a bunch of cool stuff for free.

On the other side I'm one of those people who couldn't afford it then been can afford it now... so I feel a bit screwed.

We already discussed this many times. You dont put any money down when you preorder. 

[Maria Caliban]

As someone who got the Signature Edition for $49.95, I think it's a pretty spiffy marketing idea.

To BioWare,

If you want to give me more extra content for free because I'm a huge fan and will happily pre-order months in advance, I think that's a great plan and am all behind it.

To the nay-sayers,

Sometimes being a fangirl pays off. I've found every BioWare game previously to be worth the money so I'm comfortable ordering a game of theirs I know little about. Rewarding your most loyal fans is a good thing!

If you're not a fan, you can always be an intelligent consumer who knows that pre-orders cost you nothing and can be canceled at any time. If you're interested enough in a game to register to a forum and complain about the marketing, you're interested enough to spend the all of 30 seconds it would have taken you to place a pre-order at Amazon.com, Gamestop.com, or EA.com.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 16 février 2011 - 11:50 .

[Vicious]

Not paying for mine till i pick it up from gamestop. I just preordered it.

[Cloaking_Thane]

MadLaughter wrote...

Economics dictates that markets reach the most socially efficient point only if there is perfect information. So a need to be informed isn't something to hold against the consumer.

Bad science.

It was a limited time, one sided offer with all the risk on bioware, as in everyone could have cancelled their preorders (and still can).

Therefore some economic rules dont apply........

[Wishpig]

Victia wrote...

Wishpig wrote...

Quinnzel wrote...
It sucks for the people that missed out on the SE due to timing/money/life/robot monkeys but at least there's a chance to pick up some of this stuff (at a cost) unlike some other games where the collectors edition items REMAIN exclusively collector edition items.

This...

On the plus side it really rewards the loyal fanbase by giving them a bunch of cool stuff for free.

On the other side I'm one of those people who couldn't afford it then been can afford it now... so I feel a bit screwed.

I still havent paid for my sig ed - amazon dont take payment untill its despatched!

That is true... it's not charged until it's shipped. But I don't like putting anything on my debit card when it's empty.

Don't get me wrong, I am for the idea. I think it was clever.

Modifié par Wishpig, 16 février 2011 - 11:51 .