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[Itkovian]

Finis Valorum wrote...

The signature edition is most likely going to be a major disappointment for me, some goodies and a completely redundant character.

Congratulations Bioware, EA marketing department, you've suckered me into it this time, don't expect it to happen twice from now on I'll just purchase either the regular edition or a collectors edition that includes at least some physical goodies.

How are you suckered into anything? It's a PRE-ORDER. You haven't bought it yet. Feel free to cancel the pre-order whenever you want.

Heck, in many places the pre-order was cheaper than the actual edition (I pre-ordered mine for 40$ on amazon, quite a deal).

Itkovian

[Bobad]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

Bobad wrote...

A good idea I think, I just wish we had been able to access retailer specific pre-order information before the close off date (i.e. which retailers weren't giving the sword and shield dodad).

i could be wrong but isn't there a list of retailers that are giving the sword and shield away as pre order items on the DA2 site when you click pre-order now twice?

edit: reason i say i could be wrong is because im not sure if thats a list of all retailers that sell DA2 or just the ones that will give away shield and sword.

This wasn't available before the signature edition cut off date as far as I am aware, I did actually start a thread with this in mind as the details of what retailers were offering pre-order bonuses if any, were not available prior to cut off.

[Pixieking]

Okay.

Let's add something else to the mix. This isn't specific to BioWare or the SE, but it's something that irks me.

15 years ago, if a game wasn't made available to the press before release, it was a sign that it was almost certainly a poor/mediocre/at-best-average release. The publisher was trying to slip it out quietly (wiki Rise of the Robots, as a good example of this).

Now, with pre-orders we're asked to pay up-front for special items and characters and missions. Okay. That's fine for some games which aren't timed pre-orders (Deus Ex 3, for instance, with its Explosive Mission Pack). But the handling of the SE smells, to me, of EA knowing they have a game that's worse than DA:O, and trying to squeeze money out of the consumer long before its release. All the general preview hype up to the end of the SE offer (for the PC version) was saying how it was a streamlined experience, more console. No full isometric view. the whole "Press a button, something AWESOME happens!" No toolset. Essentially, that everything that the die-hard DA:O fans wanted was being lost.

Compounded to this, compared to some AAA titles, there's been very little PC specific news. Very little has been released that isn't a hurried gameplay vid (again, PC specific) or a cutscene.

So, yeah, to be honest, I can see how, if it turns out to be less than great, some people will feel like they were suckered with the SE. A timed deal to save money in the long run, which bags EA/BioWare a fairly sizable amount of cash before any reviews or unbiased previews are out.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 février 2011 - 03:58 .

[Phex]

What extra £5? I preordered my SE from GAME and it only cost £25.

[moilami]

Itkovian wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

The signature edition is most likely going to be a major disappointment for me, some goodies and a completely redundant character.

Congratulations Bioware, EA marketing department, you've suckered me into it this time, don't expect it to happen twice from now on I'll just purchase either the regular edition or a collectors edition that includes at least some physical goodies.

How are you suckered into anything? It's a PRE-ORDER. You haven't bought it yet. Feel free to cancel the pre-order whenever you want.

Heck, in many places the pre-order was cheaper than the actual edition (I pre-ordered mine for 40$ on amazon, quite a deal).

Itkovian

About 30€ preorder win here!

[Cloaking_Thane]

Finis Valorum wrote...

halokitty wrote...

I am actually quite grateful to Bioware for the simplicity of the Signature Edition.

In this instance, Bioware is nice enough to give me unique stuff I will actually use in the game I'm playing for FREE! Sure I don't end up with a gold-plated and individually numbered Anders earring (Available in right-ear version or the left-ear "chase" variant) or a vial of real Darkspawn blood, but that's okay, they'd just end up forgotten alongside Big Daddy anyway.

Your milealage may vary as they say.
Since I won't use Sebastian (unless he turns out to be a LI for MHawke after all) and the soundtrack really doesn't interest me all that much and considering the Signature edition has cost me about $15 more in shipping and handling I've just ended up paying about $3 per item for five "unique" in game items.
So yes I do feel just a bit foolish right now.

No one cares about your own personal microeconomic plight

We would have these same exact threads if the cut off date was today or when they "went gold"

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 16 février 2011 - 04:03 .

[RiverLucky]

Emoking wrote...

Okay.

Let's add something else to the mix. This isn't specific to BioWare or the SE, but it's something that irks me.

15 years ago, if a game wasn't made available to the press before release, it was a sign that it was almost certainly a poor/mediocre/at-best-average release. The publisher was trying to slip it out quietly (wiki Rise of the Robots, as a good example of this).

Now, with pre-orders we're asked to pay up-front for special items and characters and missions. Okay. That's fine for some games which aren't timed pre-orders (Deus Ex 3, for instance, with its Explosive Mission Pack). But the handling of the SE smells, to me, of EA knowing they have a game that's worse than DA:O, and trying to squeeze money out of the consumer long before its release. All the general preview hype up to the end of the SE offer (for the PC version) was saying how it was a streamlined experience, more console. No full isometric view. the whole "Press a button, something AWESOME happens!" No toolset. Essentially, that everything that the die-hard DA:O fans wanted was being lost.

Compounded to this, compared to some AAA titles, there's been very little PC specific news. Very little has been released that isn't a hurried gameplay vid (again, PC specific) or a cutscene.

So, yeah, to be honest, I can see how, if it turns out to be less than great, some people will feel like they were suckered with the SE. A timed deal to save money in the long run, which bags EA/BioWare a fairly sizable amount of cash before any reviews or unbiased previews are out.

I agree.

But people stop blaming retailers. Actually blame is a hard word.

It's EA and Bioware. Their maketing strategies are cheap.

[Pixieking]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

halokitty wrote...

I am actually quite grateful to Bioware for the simplicity of the Signature Edition.

In this instance, Bioware is nice enough to give me unique stuff I will actually use in the game I'm playing for FREE! Sure I don't end up with a gold-plated and individually numbered Anders earring (Available in right-ear version or the left-ear "chase" variant) or a vial of real Darkspawn blood, but that's okay, they'd just end up forgotten alongside Big Daddy anyway.

Your milealage may vary as they say.
Since I won't use Sebastian (unless he turns out to be a LI for MHawke after all) and the soundtrack really doesn't interest me all that much and considering the Signature edition has cost me about $15 more in shipping and handling I've just ended up paying about $3 per item for five "unique" in game items.
So yes I do feel just a bit foolish right now.

No one cares about your own personal microeconomic plight

Um. He's the consumer. You may not care, but he has the right to complain.

[Finis Valorum]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

halokitty wrote...

I am actually quite grateful to Bioware for the simplicity of the Signature Edition.

In this instance, Bioware is nice enough to give me unique stuff I will actually use in the game I'm playing for FREE! Sure I don't end up with a gold-plated and individually numbered Anders earring (Available in right-ear version or the left-ear "chase" variant) or a vial of real Darkspawn blood, but that's okay, they'd just end up forgotten alongside Big Daddy anyway.

Your milealage may vary as they say.
Since I won't use Sebastian (unless he turns out to be a LI for MHawke after all) and the soundtrack really doesn't interest me all that much and considering the Signature edition has cost me about $15 more in shipping and handling I've just ended up paying about $3 per item for five "unique" in game items.
So yes I do feel just a bit foolish right now.

No one cares about your own personal microeconomic plight

I don't care all that much about the tiny amount of money either, it's the principle of the thing. Next time I just want more information about the DLC companion up front so I can actually make an informed decision.
Since that isn't likely to happen from now on I'm only going to buy collectors editions with actual physical bonuses I know all about from the get go.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 16 février 2011 - 04:08 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Emoking wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

halokitty wrote...

I am actually quite grateful to Bioware for the simplicity of the Signature Edition.

In this instance, Bioware is nice enough to give me unique stuff I will actually use in the game I'm playing for FREE! Sure I don't end up with a gold-plated and individually numbered Anders earring (Available in right-ear version or the left-ear "chase" variant) or a vial of real Darkspawn blood, but that's okay, they'd just end up forgotten alongside Big Daddy anyway.

Your milealage may vary as they say.
Since I won't use Sebastian (unless he turns out to be a LI for MHawke after all) and the soundtrack really doesn't interest me all that much and considering the Signature edition has cost me about $15 more in shipping and handling I've just ended up paying about $3 per item for five "unique" in game items.
So yes I do feel just a bit foolish right now.

No one cares about your own personal microeconomic plight

Um. He's the consumer. You may not care, but he has the right to complain.

Ah yes "right to complain"

Complain about what that he wasnt self -aware enough or had enough gumption to fid out specifically what he was buying, and what monetary value he associated with such items?

No thanks, sure he has a right to complain, but it falls on majorly deaf ears due to a complete lack of any sort of due diligence on his/her part. Two distinctive and separate issues.

[eqzitara]

For 99.9% of people it was good idea,
sorry .1%

[Cloaking_Thane]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

halokitty wrote...

I am actually quite grateful to Bioware for the simplicity of the Signature Edition.

In this instance, Bioware is nice enough to give me unique stuff I will actually use in the game I'm playing for FREE! Sure I don't end up with a gold-plated and individually numbered Anders earring (Available in right-ear version or the left-ear "chase" variant) or a vial of real Darkspawn blood, but that's okay, they'd just end up forgotten alongside Big Daddy anyway.

Your milealage may vary as they say.
Since I won't use Sebastian (unless he turns out to be a LI for MHawke after all) and the soundtrack really doesn't interest me all that much and considering the Signature edition has cost me about $15 more in shipping and handling I've just ended up paying about $3 per item for five "unique" in game items.
So yes I do feel just a bit foolish right now.

No one cares about your own personal microeconomic plight

I don't care all that much about the tiny amount of money either, it's the principle of the thing. Next time I just want more information about the DLC companion up front so I can actually make an informed decision.
Since that isn't likely to happen from now on I'm only going to buy collectors editions with actual physical bonuses I know about from the get go.

If you needed more information you could have waited for more information, there is always a risk-reward value attatched with a preorder.......dont pretend you were sold some bill of goods

[Phoenixblight]

Emoking wrote...

Okay.

Let's add something else to the mix. This isn't specific to BioWare or the SE, but it's something that irks me.

15 years ago, if a game wasn't made available to the press before release, it was a sign that it was almost certainly a poor/mediocre/at-best-average release. The publisher was trying to slip it out quietly (wiki Rise of the Robots, as a good example of this).

Now, with pre-orders we're asked to pay up-front for special items and characters and missions. Okay. That's fine for some games which aren't timed pre-orders (Deus Ex 3, for instance, with its Explosive Mission Pack). But the handling of the SE smells, to me, of EA knowing they have a game that's worse than DA:O, and trying to squeeze money out of the consumer long before its release. All the general preview hype up to the end of the SE offer (for the PC version) was saying how it was a streamlined experience, more console. No full isometric view. the whole "Press a button, something AWESOME happens!" No toolset. Essentially, that everything that the die-hard DA:O fans wanted was being lost.

Compounded to this, compared to some AAA titles, there's been very little PC specific news. Very little has been released that isn't a hurried gameplay vid (again, PC specific) or a cutscene.

So, yeah, to be honest, I can see how, if it turns out to be less than great, some people will feel like they were suckered with the SE. A timed deal to save money in the long run, which bags EA/BioWare a fairly sizable amount of cash before any reviews or unbiased previews are out.

This not the case with DA2. THere are a lot of previews and info about the game, hell there will be a Demo out next week. You are assuming consumers are idiots and  don't research the game they are about to pay 60$ for. EA is not only doing this for DA2 but they are doing it for all their current games that will be releasing. I just think you have a grudge for EA from 15 years ago and still holding it tightly.  

[Tleining]

@ Emoking

again, you can cancel your pre-order at pretty much any time. At no extra cost. It might be different for local/small retailers. But the big ones don't require you to pay in advance and allow you to cancel at any time.

As for the toolset: We only got that at the same time as DA:O because Origins release date was pushed back. I don't know about you, but i don't want to wait another few months for DA2 just to have the toolset at the same time.

[Pixieking]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Um. He's the consumer. You may not care, but he has the right to complain.

Ah yes "right to complain"

Complain about what that he wasnt self -aware enough or had enough gumption to fid out specifically what he was buying, and what monetary value he associated with such items?

No thanks, sure he has a right to complain, but it falls on majorly deaf ears due to a complete lack of any sort of due diligence on his/her part. Two distinctive and separate issues.

Really? Oddly enough, I still don't know what exactly is in the SE. This is because 1) I don't keep track of the forums 24/7, 2) I don't wish to be spoilered about a game that I'll probably buy and 3) There was no official announcement of what was in the SE. That's right, I was tracking the front page of the DA2 site up to the end of the offer, and the only thing that I knew was included was "$20 dollars of free stuff, including a character".

Now, it may be you'll tell me that it was announced on X page, or Y site. But it wasn't fully announced on the front page.

Modifié par Emoking, 16 février 2011 - 04:17 .

[Finis Valorum]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Finis Valorum wrote...

halokitty wrote...

I am actually quite grateful to Bioware for the simplicity of the Signature Edition.

In this instance, Bioware is nice enough to give me unique stuff I will actually use in the game I'm playing for FREE! Sure I don't end up with a gold-plated and individually numbered Anders earring (Available in right-ear version or the left-ear "chase" variant) or a vial of real Darkspawn blood, but that's okay, they'd just end up forgotten alongside Big Daddy anyway.

Your milealage may vary as they say.
Since I won't use Sebastian (unless he turns out to be a LI for MHawke after all) and the soundtrack really doesn't interest me all that much and considering the Signature edition has cost me about $15 more in shipping and handling I've just ended up paying about $3 per item for five "unique" in game items.
So yes I do feel just a bit foolish right now.

No one cares about your own personal microeconomic plight

I don't care all that much about the tiny amount of money either, it's the principle of the thing. Next time I just want more information about the DLC companion up front so I can actually make an informed decision.
Since that isn't likely to happen from now on I'm only going to buy collectors editions with actual physical bonuses I know about from the get go.

If you needed more information you could have waited for more information, there is always a risk-reward value attatched with a preorder.......dont pretend you were sold some bill of goods

Right... the kind of more information they only publish after the cut off date.
And in order to properly do due dilligence research you actually need legally obtainable information if companies, rights holders or the government either do not make this information legally available or frustrate your every attempt "due dilligence" is worthless.

[Spartansfan8888]

Nope the signature edition is just the 2nd worst marketing idea ever. The worst is upcoming for Mass Effect 3. If you preorder it they punch you in the face when you go to pick it up- which is a bonus from just buying it regularly because if you don't preorder they'll TP your house while you're gone picking it up.



Seriously though; if you don't want to pre-order the game THEN DON'T; rent it first or try the demo and if you don't like it you saved a good chunk of change. The signature edition was intended for those who really enjoyed Origins and helped make it so popular and who knew they would pre order the game anyway.

[Pixieking]

Phoenixblight wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Okay.

Let's add something else to the mix. This isn't specific to BioWare or the SE, but it's something that irks me.

15 years ago, if a game wasn't made available to the press before release, it was a sign that it was almost certainly a poor/mediocre/at-best-average release. The publisher was trying to slip it out quietly (wiki Rise of the Robots, as a good example of this).

Now, with pre-orders we're asked to pay up-front for special items and characters and missions. Okay. That's fine for some games which aren't timed pre-orders (Deus Ex 3, for instance, with its Explosive Mission Pack). But the handling of the SE smells, to me, of EA knowing they have a game that's worse than DA:O, and trying to squeeze money out of the consumer long before its release. All the general preview hype up to the end of the SE offer (for the PC version) was saying how it was a streamlined experience, more console. No full isometric view. the whole "Press a button, something AWESOME happens!" No toolset. Essentially, that everything that the die-hard DA:O fans wanted was being lost.

Compounded to this, compared to some AAA titles, there's been very little PC specific news. Very little has been released that isn't a hurried gameplay vid (again, PC specific) or a cutscene.

So, yeah, to be honest, I can see how, if it turns out to be less than great, some people will feel like they were suckered with the SE. A timed deal to save money in the long run, which bags EA/BioWare a fairly sizable amount of cash before any reviews or unbiased previews are out.

This not the case with DA2. THere are a lot of previews and info about the game, hell there will be a Demo out next week. You are assuming consumers are idiots and  don't research the game they are about to pay 60$ for. EA is not only doing this for DA2 but they are doing it for all their current games that will be releasing. I just think you have a grudge for EA from 15 years ago and still holding it tightly.  

Was the demo out before the SE offer finished?

No.

How much pre-publicity for the PC version specifically was out?

Not much, trust me. Oh, sure there were pics and vids. But they were mostly console version.

Also, I always waited for the reviews back then, so no, no grudge.

[Dave of Canada]

Didn't know preordering a game was a company stealing your money, I mean... *gasp / horror / shock* you can still cancel a preorder. The idea is absurd, though. Surely these companies are trying to rob you, especially -you-, because they have tiny pitchforks and eat money in their cereal bowls every morning.



Ah, forums. Don't ever change.

[Pixieking]

Tleining wrote...

@ Emoking
again, you can cancel your pre-order at pretty much any time. At no extra cost. It might be different for local/small retailers. But the big ones don't require you to pay in advance and allow you to cancel at any time.
As for the toolset: We only got that at the same time as DA:O because Origins release date was pushed back. I don't know about you, but i don't want to wait another few months for DA2 just to have the toolset at the same time.

I cancelled my order of the SE from Amazon. didn't see any point in it. I'd rather have it on Steam (ouch! that's flame-bait right there.  )

As for the toolset, we have no confirmation of it. Still. I don't care if it comes a year after the release, but I would like a confirmation of it.

[Phoenixblight]

Emoking wrote...

Phoenixblight wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Okay.

Let's add something else to the mix. This isn't specific to BioWare or the SE, but it's something that irks me.

15 years ago, if a game wasn't made available to the press before release, it was a sign that it was almost certainly a poor/mediocre/at-best-average release. The publisher was trying to slip it out quietly (wiki Rise of the Robots, as a good example of this).

Now, with pre-orders we're asked to pay up-front for special items and characters and missions. Okay. That's fine for some games which aren't timed pre-orders (Deus Ex 3, for instance, with its Explosive Mission Pack). But the handling of the SE smells, to me, of EA knowing they have a game that's worse than DA:O, and trying to squeeze money out of the consumer long before its release. All the general preview hype up to the end of the SE offer (for the PC version) was saying how it was a streamlined experience, more console. No full isometric view. the whole "Press a button, something AWESOME happens!" No toolset. Essentially, that everything that the die-hard DA:O fans wanted was being lost.

Compounded to this, compared to some AAA titles, there's been very little PC specific news. Very little has been released that isn't a hurried gameplay vid (again, PC specific) or a cutscene.

So, yeah, to be honest, I can see how, if it turns out to be less than great, some people will feel like they were suckered with the SE. A timed deal to save money in the long run, which bags EA/BioWare a fairly sizable amount of cash before any reviews or unbiased previews are out.

This not the case with DA2. THere are a lot of previews and info about the game, hell there will be a Demo out next week. You are assuming consumers are idiots and  don't research the game they are about to pay 60$ for. EA is not only doing this for DA2 but they are doing it for all their current games that will be releasing. I just think you have a grudge for EA from 15 years ago and still holding it tightly.  

Was the demo out before the SE offer finished?

No.

How much pre-publicity for the PC version specifically was out?

Not much, trust me. Oh, sure there were pics and vids. But they were mostly console version.

Also, I always waited for the reviews back then, so no, no grudge.

Thats the thing about preordering you generally don't know enough about the game but you could have easily preordered the game wait while info comes out or play the demo. If you don't like what you are playing or reading *shock* You can cancel your preorder. I know its a hard concept, giving up something you paid nothing for. 

Modifié par Phoenixblight, 16 février 2011 - 04:17 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

Emoking wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Um. He's the consumer. You may not care, but he has the right to complain.

Ah yes "right to complain"

Complain about what that he wasnt self -aware enough or had enough gumption to fid out specifically what he was buying, and what monetary value he associated with such items?

No thanks, sure he has a right to complain, but it falls on majorly deaf ears due to a complete lack of any sort of due diligence on his/her part. Two distinctive and separate issues.

Really? Oddly enough, I still don't know what exactly is in the SE. This is because 1) I don't keep track of the forums 24/7, 2) I don't wish to be spoilered about a game that I'll probably buy and 3) There was no official announcement of what was in the SE. That's right, I was tracking the front page of the DA2 site up to the end of the offer, and the only that that I knew was included was "$20 dollars of free stuff, including a character".

Now, it may be you'll tell me that it was announced on X page, or Y site. But it wasn't fully announced on the front page.

All of it was available on the "game info" section of the site

It included "in game digital armory (5 items), Soundtrack, and character *Vrael".........

I knew exactly what was in it when I pre-ordered Jan 8.

1) personal choice, 2) personal choice, 3)Official announcement by who and to who?

[Elsariel]

Emoking wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Emoking wrote...

Um. He's the consumer. You may not care, but he has the right to complain.

Ah yes "right to complain"

Complain about what that he wasnt self -aware enough or had enough gumption to fid out specifically what he was buying, and what monetary value he associated with such items?

No thanks, sure he has a right to complain, but it falls on majorly deaf ears due to a complete lack of any sort of due diligence on his/her part. Two distinctive and separate issues.

Really? Oddly enough, I still don't know what exactly is in the SE. This is because 1) I don't keep track of the forums 24/7, 2) I don't wish to be spoilered about a game that I'll probably buy and 3) There was no official announcement of what was in the SE. That's right, I was tracking the front page of the DA2 site up to the end of the offer, and the only that that I knew was included was "$20 dollars of free stuff, including a character".

Now, it may be you'll tell me that it was announced on X page, or Y site. But it wasn't fully announced on the front page.

Yes it was because that's what finally prompted me to preorder before the SE ended. 

[Bobad]

At least BioWare and EA only robbed us, I'm still mentally scarred from that time I went back to a hotel room with Activision and Bethesda.

[otaku4ever]

30$ pre-order. Got pre-order goodies. Won't pay for OST or Sebastian. Worst idea? Not at all.