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Black_Warden wrote...
I'm.... not sure you know what "going gold" means in video game context, as it has nothing to do with marketing.
crimzontearz wrote...
there is no evidence because we are on the outside and because it is not in EA's interest to let this kinf of evidence out.JrayM16 wrote...
But there is no compelling evidence that it was a lie. Content has been cut due to lack of time since the dawn of gaming. Day-1 dlc is a recent devlelopment. There is some reason to think that they are telling the truth in this case.
still, not the point. Day one dlc blurs the lines because budgets are thrown in the mix and a lot of these characters and contents were originally made with the main game's budget but they get a return of investment from a dlc venue. Illegal...no, Ethical....depends on who you ask to
The reason is logical and makes sense, dunno why we need to take it further.crimzontearz wrote...
there is no evidence because we are on the outside and because it is not in EA's interest to let this kinf of evidence out.JrayM16 wrote...
But there is no compelling evidence that it was a lie. Content has been cut due to lack of time since the dawn of gaming. Day-1 dlc is a recent devlelopment. There is some reason to think that they are telling the truth in this case.
So in that case the ethics of all all retail based industries are under question. BW have mostly been upfront about the deals, which is ethical.crimzontearz wrote...
still, not the point. Day one dlc blurs the lines because budgets are thrown in the mix and a lot of these characters and contents were originally made with the main game's budget but they get a return of investment from a dlc venue. Illegal...no, Ethical....depends on who you ask to
Morroian wrote...
The reason is logical and makes sense, dunno why we need to take it further.crimzontearz wrote...
there is no evidence because we are on the outside and because it is not in EA's interest to let this kinf of evidence out.JrayM16 wrote...
But there is no compelling evidence that it was a lie. Content has been cut due to lack of time since the dawn of gaming. Day-1 dlc is a recent devlelopment. There is some reason to think that they are telling the truth in this case.So in that case the ethics of all all retail based industries are under question. BW have mostly been upfront about the deals, which is ethical.crimzontearz wrote...
still, not the point. Day one dlc blurs the lines because budgets are thrown in the mix and a lot of these characters and contents were originally made with the main game's budget but they get a return of investment from a dlc venue. Illegal...no, Ethical....depends on who you ask to
Ensgnblack wrote...
Black_Warden wrote...
I'm.... not sure you know what "going gold" means in video game context, as it has nothing to do with marketing.
Ah, you are correct. But that notwithstanding, the game has sold many SE copies and I would say the SE was a positive marketing tool.
They can they just won't be able to get the offer, Bioware were upfront about that so you had the choice. Sure if I was in that boat I'd probably be a little annoyed but I wouldn't be calling it a shady business practice or boycotting them or anything like that. I'd just regard it as unfortunate. Many other entertainment industries engage in worse practices.the_one_54321 wrote...
Morroian wrote...
Cause they want to encourage people to pre-order by a specific date presumably to increase initials numbers shipped. They have the other bonus offer to encourage peoplem to buy the game new.
Sure, that's a reasonable answer. But it's not a great deal for the people buying the game. For those who are preordering it's all well and good. For those that don't want to preorder, suddenly they have to pay extra if they want the same amount of content. Even if they buy the game new. Why should people who don't want to preorder not be upset about that? Why can't they wait for the reviews?
The reasons why Vale is DLC.JrayM16 wrote...
Wait, which reason?
Morroian wrote...
The reasons why Vale is DLC.JrayM16 wrote...
Wait, which reason?
Morroian wrote...
The reasons why Vale is DLC.JrayM16 wrote...
Wait, which reason?
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Why would/should we extend the offer past the deadline date just to satisfy your subjective need to be more informed? Jeopardy doesn't wait until you've consulted an encyclopedia or called your friends before answering the Final Jeopardy question. It has a very definite start and end period, during which you make your choice. A store is under no obligation to keep the tills open for you past their operating hours. Businesses are not obligated to honour coupons past the stated expiry date.
it's not wrong. but by the same token, you could hem and haw all you like and wait for the information you require. but the limited time special offer will expire in the process. When do you take responsibility for choosing not to take advantage of the deal while it's being offered?
Modifié par Autolycus, 16 février 2011 - 10:31 .
rooky91 wrote...
It seems that alot of people here are posting threads on how website X has cancelled their Signature edition for really stupid reasons, such as no longer having it in stock or no longer having it in the database. So this makes me wonder why was this just a Collectors edition for and extra £5/$5?
Do you think the signature edition was a good idea, which was well implemented?
Would you like to see similar things done in the future, with games such as ME3?
Did you preorder it, have you or havn't had it cancelled yet?
Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...
I'm walking towards a bus stop
and considering whether I'm going to catch the bus or walk... Walking
is fine, I'm healthy, but it will take longer and I won't be able to
read whilst doing it... Hmmm... I'll consider.
Oh look, the bus
has arrived, somebody is getting off... Should I catch the bus? I do
like to sit and my book is calling... I'll consider it as I continue
walking towards the bus.
What?! The Bus left without me! I had
just decided to catch it, how dare that driver?! I'm going to send a
letter to the bus company complaining about their morally deficit
driver. What kind of amoral monster drives off whilst I calmly stroll
towards the bus stop, carefully weighing the pros and cons?
And
oh my god, this sign says you got a free pizza with every bus ride
today? Now I get no free pizza - it's that driver, going about his
business as if he didn't owe me his time - how fracking DARE he? I am
the center of the UNIVERSE and all beings should bow before my will, but
this miasmic putrescence formed from the weeping, pus-filled sores of
society has the GALL to give fair warning and assume that that's
enough?! I WAS TAKING MY TIME! HAS HE NO RESPECT?!
This bus
company... poisoning the Earth with their presence and cheating me of
what is rightfully mine, despite the fact that it was entirely my own
fault!
This wasn't autobiographical... it was allegorical.
But thats for each man to decide for himself.
Or woman and herself.
...Or whatever. I don't judge.
Well... I do judge, but it's usually whiners rather than anything involving physical differences.
And Chavs.
But I digress.
... Fin.
Modifié par Zaros, 16 février 2011 - 10:30 .
crimzontearz wrote...
Morroian wrote...
The reasons why Vale is DLC.JrayM16 wrote...
Wait, which reason?
what people question is not wether the reason given to us is logical or not....they are questioning its truthfulness because, let's face it, unless you work for the company you will never know if what they tell you is the truth. As I said I do work for such a company (not in the videoludic business) and since I've been working for them I question everything coming from a marketing department
\\Autolycus wrote...
Why would/should we extend the offer past the deadline date just to satisfy your subjective need to be more informed? Jeopardy doesn't wait until you've consulted an encyclopedia or called your friends before answering the Final Jeopardy question. It has a very definite start and end period, during which you make your choice. A store is under no obligation to keep the tills open for you past their operating hours. Businesses are not obligated to honour coupons past the stated expiry date.
it's not wrong. but by the same token, you could hem and haw all you like and wait for the information you require. but the limited time special offer will expire in the process. When do you take responsibility for choosing not to take advantage of the deal while it's being offered?
Ok Mr Woo. firstly, if I go to buy something, and the 'coupon' has run out, my bad. If I go to a store and it's closed for business, I go back the next day/week or go elsewhere for the same item. Hardly a good analogy.
Secondly, you don't have to do anything. I never said as such. But let's take my own personal 'financial' situation shall we? I can 'save/use' approximately £20 a month after I have paid for all my other monthly expenses. So excuse me for wanting to make damn sure that approximately a sixth of my 'leisure' money is not wasted.
It is that sort of attitude (I'm alright jack, who cares about you) that puts people off things. Or maybe it's my own personal fault (taking 'resonsibility') that I don't live near where I work and travelling costs are extortionate, and that I am currently unable to get either a better paying job or one closer to home, or that my government is strangling the economy, or maybe even it's my fault I live in the wrong country.
Not everyone is fortunate enough to just be able to buy what they want, when they want. So again, why should someone be penalised for wanting to make as sure as they are able to, they do actually want something?
And again, as has been said before, this is not about me 'personally', it's the general principle. And yes I do appreciate, that if my trusted circle of friends Owho have very similar tastes to me etc, and we have 'agreed' on games over the last 20+ years), if they say it's awesome and that I 'will' like it, then yes it's my bad, as I did have the opportunity to pre-order, so i then either suck it up like man and 'buy' all these items etc, or wait till you make a UE (if you make one)....but that does not change my original argument.
If I have somehow got the wrong impression from your post, then I humbly apologise, but something tells me I didn't.
Stanley Woo wrote...
Why would/should we extend the offer past the deadline date just to satisfy your subjective need to be more informed? Jeopardy doesn't wait until you've consulted an encyclopedia or called your friends before answering the Final Jeopardy question. It has a very definite start and end period, during which you make your choice. A store is under no obligation to keep the tills open for you past their operating hours. Businesses are not obligated to honour coupons past the stated expiry date.Autolycus wrote...
There are things with DA2 I am very unsure of, things I 'personally' do not like etc etc etc, so I will not buy it until there is more information available, actual real customer reviews and I can then make a 'more' informed decision.
So why would I pre-order something that I wish to wait until is out, before making a decision?it's not wrong. but by the same token, you could hem and haw all you like and wait for the information you require. but the limited time special offer will expire in the process. When do you take responsibility for choosing not to take advantage of the deal while it's being offered?But I do understand what you're both saying, I could pre-order, have all bonuses and be a happy bunny. But thats dependent on me just trusting a few biased magazine reviews, and a titbit of info on here, along with as has been discussed, blind faith in Bioware.
Again, from what I have seen of DA2 so far, I'm turned off, so wish to wait for more information. so again, why is that wrong?
JrayM16 wrote...
THe content wasn't part of the game that went gold therefore you are in no way entitled to it. Bioware made the content, they can do what they want with it.
Autolycus wrote...
Why would/should we extend the offer past the deadline date just to satisfy your subjective need to be more informed? Jeopardy doesn't wait until you've consulted an encyclopedia or called your friends before answering the Final Jeopardy question. It has a very definite start and end period, during which you make your choice. A store is under no obligation to keep the tills open for you past their operating hours. Businesses are not obligated to honour coupons past the stated expiry date.
it's not wrong. but by the same token, you could hem and haw all you like and wait for the information you require. but the limited time special offer will expire in the process. When do you take responsibility for choosing not to take advantage of the deal while it's being offered?
Ok Mr Woo. firstly, if I go to buy something, and the 'coupon' has run out, my bad. If I go to a store and it's closed for business, I go back the next day/week or go elsewhere for the same item. Hardly a good analogy.
Secondly, you don't have to do anything. I never said as such. But let's take my own personal 'financial' situation shall we? I can 'save/use' approximately £20 a month after I have paid for all my other monthly expenses. So excuse me for wanting to make damn sure that approximately a sixth of my 'leisure' money is not wasted.
It is that sort of attitude (I'm alright jack, who cares about you) that puts people off things. Or maybe it's my own personal fault (taking 'resonsibility') that I don't live near where I work and travelling costs are extortionate, and that I am currently unable to get either a better paying job or one closer to home, or that my government is strangling the economy, or maybe even it's my fault I live in the wrong country.
Not everyone is fortunate enough to just be able to buy what they want, when they want. So again, why should someone be penalised for wanting to make as sure as they are able to, they do actually want something?
And again, as has been said before, this is not about me 'personally', it's the general principle. And yes I do appreciate, that if my trusted circle of friends (who have very similar tastes to me etc, and we have 'agreed' on games over the last 20+ years), if they say it's awesome and that I 'will' like it, then yes it's my bad, as I did have the opportunity to pre-order, so i then either suck it up like man and 'buy' all these items etc, or wait till you make a UE (if you make one)....but that does not change my original argument.
If I have somehow got the wrong impression from your post, then I humbly apologise, but something tells me I didn't.
Black_warden wrote...
as i said before, rewarding one group of people for ordering early does not equal punishing another.
For example, let's say you have two children. one day, child #1 decides to vacuum the floor. as thanks for vacuuming the floor without being told to do so, you give that child a cookie.
this action and reaction has nothing at all to do with child #2, and the fact that #2 doesn't get a cookie can not be construed as punishing #2 for any action, or lack thereof, in this situation.
Modifié par Black_Warden, 16 février 2011 - 10:42 .
Sorry, your personal financial situation is ultimately none of our concern (and frankly, none of our business), nor does it give you any special status to dictate/alter the rules of the special, limited time offer.Autolycus wrote...
But let's take my own personal 'financial' situation shall we? I can 'save/use' approximately £20 a month after I have paid for all my other monthly expenses. So excuse me for wanting to make damn sure that approximately a sixth of my 'leisure' money is not wasted.
Your work situation, living situation, political situation, and financial situation are ultimately none of our concern (and frankly, none of our business), nor does any of it give you any special status to dictate/alter the rules of the special, limited time offer.Or maybe it's my own personal fault (taking 'resonsibility') that I don't live near where I work and travelling costs are extortionate, and that I am currently unable to get either a better paying job or one closer to home, or that my government is strangling the economy, or maybe even it's my fault I live in the wrong country.
Sorry, maybe I'm a bit thick (I think that's the right term), but what precisely does any of this have to do with the limited time, special offer expiring before you make your decision? At what point did this become our problem? Not to dismiss or make light of whatever living or personal situation you're experiencing, of course. This is purely about four or five months' worth of time, during which you took no action, and now you're complaining about your lack of action.Not everyone is fortunate enough to just be able to buy what they want, when they want. So again, why should someone be penalised for wanting to make as sure as they are able to, they do actually want something?
You seem to sum it all up very nicely, which makes me wonder: what was your original argument, then? You seem to "get it" just fine. What, precisely, is the complaint/issue?i then either suck it up like man and 'buy' all these items etc, or wait till you make a UE (if you make one)....but that does not change my original argument.
Modifié par Stanley Woo, 16 février 2011 - 10:44 .
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