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[Habelo]

In forgotten realms, isnt there a time limit in which you can ressurect someone?



But yes even if it is i think the ressurection bit is flawed. However i do love the idea that you get rewarded by being wise with greater magic, the gods/nature bless those who has a deep understanding of the world with power. It is one main thing i miss about DA. Give me wisdom modifier )

[Zenthar Aseth]

Shannara13 wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Also the gods being just like mortals but more powerful is pretty lame..

I much prefer that to a vague all powerful presense. Greek mythology was always much more interesting than the Christian mythology.

Yes. But in DA:O there is no vague all powerful presence. The Chantry CLAIMS there is "The Maker"... but we do not know if he truly exists 

[Shannara13]

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Shannara13 wrote...

Zenthar Aseth wrote...

Also the gods being just like mortals but more powerful is pretty lame..

I much prefer that to a vague all powerful presense. Greek mythology was always much more interesting than the Christian mythology.

Yes. But in DA:O there is no vague all powerful presence. The Chantry CLAIMS there is "The Maker"... but we do not know if he truly exists 

Well the fact that the Ashes DO work is kind of a strong indication.

[Zenthar Aseth]

Nah, it isn't.. remember, Tevinter Imperium (which ruled over Ferelden when Andraste died) had VERY powerful mages. Who knows what happened? Perhaps one of those mages made the ashes magical?

[Mithent]

The big difference is, I think, that Forgotten Realms is a high-magic world, whereas Thedas is relatively low-magic. FR is, therefore, rather more "fantastic" than Thedas, whereas Thedas is more "naturalistic". FR has magic items in every corner shop and hundreds of different extraordinary beasts, but in Thedas a mage is something quite rare (and frightening) and the bestiary is rather smaller (but tied in rather well with the lore - FR's do often tend towards just being there for no real reason).

[ogredpowell]

Allright, im ready to get flamed....



I find Dragon Age's lore to be more....deep....then forgotten realms. The forgotten realms lore is too complicated, and the high magic stuff (different planes, etc) gets too confusing and....out there, if you understand what I'm saying.



Thedas feels more original (always a plus point...although it DOES draw from other sources), and although everything is explained by 'demons', the entwining of two 'plane type' worlds adds the fantasy without complicating things too much (an underlying spirit world?). That being said, I only started playing the game, so...



Plus, Im tired of seeing uppity pansy elves eveyrhwere. I hate elves.

[GhoXen]

I find Forgotten Realms more appealing.. before the spell plague that is.

[GhoXen]

ogredpowell wrote...

I find Dragon Age's lore to be more....deep....then forgotten realms. The forgotten realms lore is too complicated, and the high magic stuff (different planes, etc) gets too confusing and....out there, if you understand what I'm saying. 

Hm, what I do understand here is that you are contradicting yourself. What you could have said is that Dragon Age's lore feels just enough to you, while Forgotten Realms lore is too deep/complicated/massive for you. For that reason you prefer DA.

[Redunzgofasta]

I never realy liked "The Realms". I always prefered "Greyhawk", and "Dark Sun" on top of that.



I am still early in the game and level 8 one more level and I could start raising the dead in any D&D setting. I much much more prefer DA:O in every aspect.

[TheWabbit]

FR has only been around 25 or so years. It was created by Ed Greenwood in the early 80s I believe when Ed was running Elminister. Greyhawk was the first world and then Dragon Lance. Some of the best modules are the early ones from Greyhawk. House of Amber, Land of the Giants, etc.



It was the work of R.A. Salvatore and the Dark Elf Trilogy in the early 90s that made FR so popular. Drizzt Do'Urden has been an extremely good character for the DnD license. Unfortunately, every hack author had to make a 'non-evil' drow character (looking at you Elaine Cunningham) and ruin the concept.



The Time of Troubles books are fairly interesting as well.

[GhoXen]

TheWabbit wrote...

It was the work of R.A. Salvatore and the Dark Elf Trilogy in the early 90s that made FR so popular. Drizzt Do'Urden has been an extremely good character for the DnD license. Unfortunately, every hack author had to make a 'non-evil' drow character (looking at you Elaine Cunningham) and ruin the concept.

Alas, the greatest woe of a successful original idea. As it attracts enough cliches, the original idea itself becomes the cliche.

EDIT: Do you know - there are more notable good/neutral drow than evil drow? Before Salvatore drow were all just evil "monsters".

Modifié par GhoXen, 14 novembre 2009 - 10:30 .

[Shannara13]

GhoXen wrote...

TheWabbit wrote...

It was the work of R.A. Salvatore and the Dark Elf Trilogy in the early 90s that made FR so popular. Drizzt Do'Urden has been an extremely good character for the DnD license. Unfortunately, every hack author had to make a 'non-evil' drow character (looking at you Elaine Cunningham) and ruin the concept.

Alas, the greatest woe of a successful original idea. As it attracts enough cliches, the original idea itself becomes the cliche.

EDIT: Do you know - there are more notable good/neutral drow than evil drow? Before Salvatore drow were all just evil "monsters".

Heck there is now even a whole population of good drow that follow the goddess Eilistraee.

[Habelo]

I do not understand what is the appeal in low magic fantasy lore. Could anyone please take alill time to make me understand? Would be nice to get alill perspective, thanks

[ByblosHex]

In real life it's entirely possible to revive people who are dead? Ever hear of CPR? Of course it doesn't always work... :: sigh :: some people just don't wake up.

[Habelo]

Well so revival should be possible. if the fantasy game want to be logicall you will need to revive someone very fast from the dead since the longer they are dead the more dmg the brain takes from lack of oxygen. Well said bybloshex, now we have figured out how revival should work in all fantasy games

[_____o_O___]

FR>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DA



DA is fun no where near as fun as FR though.

[Mnemnosyne]

This world is different, and I like that. A lot of the limitations they added into the lore avoid the obvious 'why didn't they do X' that you get in a game in the Realms. Teleportation, Resurrection, and any one of the myriad magics in AD&D needs various explanations of various levels of cheesiness to prevent it breaking the game. Instead of trying to come up with silly explanations for why you can't do X or Y (or even worse, ignoring the point altogether, like Obsidian did in NWN2 by making a character death a major plot point, but not even bothering to attempt an explanation as to why they didn't just cast Raise Dead) when the game world clearly allows it, they simply ruled it out in the first place. You can't raise the dead, ever. You can't teleport, period, whether short range or long range.



Imagine the kind of cheesiness that would be needed to establish a simple plot point such as the difficulty/impossibility of contacting other Grey Wardens. You'd have to explain why, in all of Ferelden, you can't find a single person that can just teleport over to Weisshaupt Fortress and alert the rest of the Wardens, or send a magical message there.



I love the Realms, this is true, but it has a lot of history and baggage, and that's not always a good thing if you're trying to tell a story. There hasn't, for example, been a single computer game based on the Realms or any of the D&D campaign settings, that hasn't had at least some errors and twisting of the setting and lore. Even the Baldur's Gate series, although I will say it was remarkably miniscule there, all things considered.

[MarshalVaako]

Forgotten Realms is boring. Ravenloft and Dark Sun is where its at.



I like DA better because its darker. I'm a sucker for the apocalypse.

[Elanareon]

FR has some of the best authors out there yeah but also has some of the worst!

[ByblosHex]

Habelo wrote...

Well so revival should be possible. if the fantasy game want to be logicall you will need to revive someone very fast from the dead since the longer they are dead the more dmg the brain takes from lack of oxygen. Well said bybloshex, now we have figured out how revival should work in all fantasy games

Recent studies show that the brain isn't damaged by lack of oxygen, but instead becomes damaged by the shock of a sudden restoration of oxygen after deprivation.

IMO, Real life allows for a good enough revival/death system, I dont see why they dont use it in fanasty games. I mean, besides permenant injury and infection a simple bleeding out (Bleed faster with greater wounds), repiratory and cardiovascular failure system would allow for revival within a decent window of time, without resorting to any sort of magical resurrection.

[Kozuka78]

Forgotten Realms has a much deeper religion system which I really really like. The hundreds of planes of existance are much more immersive than just 'the fade' which I think most people would agree is the single most boring place in dragon age.



I'd love to see abit more religious tension and more righteous/demonic elements.

[Smerbev]

Forgotten Realms has been around for such a long time that they've pretty much added in every thing that could possibly appeal to any select person. Marketing wise it is fantastic but a lot of it is nothing more than taking 'x culture/concept' and shoving it in somewhere. I've gamed in it for 15 years so I won't say it is bad but it does tend to feel very generic in my opinion.



@habelo In regards to your question about the appeal of low magic fantasy, you may as well ask why some people like alternative history or sci fi. Not everyone wants a world where magic is the complete be all and end all. That being said I don't classify DA as low magic. There are far too many magi running about the place for that to hold true.



At the end of the day it all comes down to personal taste unless you're a rabid fanboy who can't accept the fact that people don't agree with you. Drizzt is awful, just saying

[Rianames]

I love the Forgotten Realms, however I have high hopes for Dragon Age, as so far we have only seen some little stuff of Ferelden, a small piece of Thedas.....so much to explore in the future (hopefully)

[Redunzgofasta]

TheWabbit wrote...
Drizzt Do'Urden has been an extremely good character for the DnD license.

Do me a favor and never mention him again.
Ofcourse I prefer hearing his name to hearing Legolas though.

[Redunzgofasta]

ByblosHex wrote...

In real life it's entirely possible to revive people who are dead? Ever hear of CPR? Of course it doesn't always work... :: sigh :: some people just don't wake up.

Not when they are dead for as many days as your miniumum level (9)!