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[Avilia]

I've thought about this and I can't really choose which I prefer. I feel the Dalish were very underdeveloped but WH gives that Origin a nice polish. In some ways that slight disconnection from the plot does give a nice boost to RP. My first DE I played as mourning Tamlen and the loss of her clan. She felt exiled through no fault of her own. She really didn't start coming out of that until after seeing him again. She was my first US warden - no ties to anyone and seeing clearly it was her duty to kill the AD.

It took me ages to try CE - I really didn't want to see what I'd heard the Origin was about. In the end the melodrama and cartoon villainy takes some of the sting out. To its detriment imho but I can see why they've done it that way. I still love it, the NPCs are some of my favourites - Shianni is just great, so funny at the start and so brave at the end. I love the Alienage quest during the Landsmeet and how it gives the events of the Landsmeet much more meat than just political maneuvering.

Eh, anyway - my disjointed thoughts. I don't have a favourite and I love them both I pick which one I'm going to run based on what class I want to play. My archers are usually Dalish ;-)

Modifié par Avilia, 17 février 2011 - 08:31 .

[Joy Divison]

Dalish gives you decent equipment right off the bat. I thought the Origin did a decent job establishing ties to clan (if you have persuade) and the departure is touching, though the all-of-a-sudden you're diseased plot device could have been thought out better. I do think Dalish origin offers an excellent RP opportunity if the GW begins to question the xenophobic perspective they were taught after encountering the outside world.

City Elf I thought was the best Origin story by far. I would have liked to have better known what happened to Adaia and it would have been neat if your mother's gift would have been good enough to use the entire game.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 17 février 2011 - 11:48 .

[HolyAvenger]

Dalish suxxorz!

No, I like Dalish. Bit cliched with the whole forest elves thing, but interesting enough. There's no dialogue that implies a relationship between FWarden and Merrill btw. But I just can't go past the roaring rampage of revenge culminating in Vaughan that you can go as a City Elf female. Too awesome for words. And RP'ing a human-hating psycho-b*tch elf warden is soooo much fun.

Modifié par HolyAvenger, 17 février 2011 - 11:57 .

[Haasth]

I decided, for now, to focus more on my Dalish. I may for the sake of loving the game also do yet another playthrough but then with a City elf. But for now, Dalish it is.



I still prefer City Elf for the actual origin part. But I feel I'll probably end up liking Dalish more for the rest of it.

[Merilsell]

Haasth wrote...

I still prefer City Elf for the actual origin part. But I feel I'll probably end up liking Dalish more for the rest of it.

Aye, almost the same here. The character's of the CE origin's are better than the DE ones. (Shianni, Soris and CE-Daddy are just awesome and I love them.)

Whereas I could personally slap Tamlen for hours for his stupidity, but my F!Mahariel made me feel for him. Especially ... well not going to spoil that. But it broke my heart, literally.

Also the closing scene of the origin, where everyone said farewell was pretty emotional for me too, due to what my character felt upon leaving her clan behind.

I hadn't had this kind of attachment to a character('s backstory) before her, although having played a F!HN before who married Alistair. But that second playthrough felt more real to me. Although I didn't like the characters in the DE origin initially that much, she made me feel for them, so they grew on me.Playing with a Dalish Warden was also completely different feeling from the human- noble playthrough before. And this is what makes me love this game so much, the vast possibilities of one character. 

[Johun]

The Dalish origin was the only one that made me wish I could stay.

[Haasth]

Merilsell wrote...

Haasth wrote...

I still prefer City Elf for the actual origin part. But I feel I'll probably end up liking Dalish more for the rest of it.

Aye, almost the same here. The character's of the CE origin's are better than the DE ones. (Shianni, Soris and CE-Daddy are just awesome and I love them.)

Whereas I could personally slap Tamlen for hours for his stupidity, but my F!Mahariel made me feel for him. Especially ... well not going to spoil that. But it broke my heart, literally.

Yes, definitely. The characters in CE origin feel a lot more... alive. Shianni and Soris are some great origin stories and personally probably the ones I like the most from all the origin stories (Well, I thought Jowan was a pretty well made character too). The Dalish characters feel less attached to you, likely because you get a lot less time to actually talk to them individually.

And you mean the...

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Part where he 'returns' at the camp?
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Which certainly is a sad point for the Dalish origin, and I imagine even more so if you actually played a female Dalish who liked him more than friends. 

[Corker]

Haasth wrote...

 Shianni and Soris are some great origin stories and personally probably the ones I like the most from all the origin stories (Well, I thought Jowan was a pretty well made character too).

I have much love for Shianni, but Eleanor Cousland, Leske, and Gorim aren't exactly slouches in the Awesome NPC department, either.  <3

[Haasth]

Corker wrote...

Haasth wrote...

 Shianni and Soris are some great origin stories and personally probably the ones I like the most from all the origin stories (Well, I thought Jowan was a pretty well made character too).

I have much love for Shianni, but Eleanor Cousland, Leske, and Gorim aren't exactly slouches in the Awesome NPC department, either.  <3

Oh, Gorim. Forgive me, he was awesome!
Eleanor and Leske were good too, but neither of the two really came over that well to me as Shianni, Soris, Gorim or Jowan. 

[FenrisDeSolar]

Ah, Tamlen. He was a sweetheart, which is why it sucks that you could not have a small romance with him before he was taken by the mirror...

[Tigress M]

I am really pleased to see so many positive comments about the Dalish Origin. For a year, I've felt like the only one (outside of Meri) who really liked them, so this was a pleasant surprise.

I'm partial to the DE because it was my first introduction to the game. And while I like all the other Origins, it's the one I relate the most with.

I've played characters that have hated to be torn from their clan to ones that couldn't wait to get away and both can find ample background for their feelings within the origin. I also liked that it was a matter life or a fate worse than death due to the taint. The other origins all have the fatalistic feel to them but none of them absolutely require joining the Wardens to be their sole means of survival. If the DE doesn't become a Warden, they will turn into a ghoul -- no ifs, ands, or buts.

[ColaQueen]

Thats an excellent point Tigress M. My first character was DE too. I do like the origin. It and City Elf are actually my faves. They let you explore your elven cutlure (either one) and you really understand where the Elven characters are coming from. I think both origins are quite flexible in terms of RP. my first DE was fairly good and fell in love with Alistair, she was also fairly nice to other humans. MY current one is the complete opposite and is in fact down right nasty at times. Not because she's Dalish, just because I wanted to try and be mean and her dislike/indifference towards humans makes it easier for her to perform certain deeds without moral conflict. Well for her anyway...lol but I digress



I find the Dalish quite interesting and all my characters usually spend time getting to know them.

[Tigress M]

@Silver - Yep, and that another thing that's so cool about the DE origin... you have really ample cause to treat humans with disdain or respect. The liking/tolerating humans takes a little longer to "see" in-game, but if you talk to Varathorn, he'll mention your father's desire to get to know the shems better, giving those who do just that a reason/explanation for their tolerance. And likewise, if you hate humans, that can easily be wracked up to the fact that they (and CE's) killed your parents.

But anywho... I'm babbling now, so I'll stop while I'm ahead. LOL

[Gannon_74]

just started playing as a male dahlish fighter, how can i open all these locked doors and traps in the origins ruins please?

[GSSAGE7]

CommanderJessica wrote...

City elf as they seemed more tragic and oppressed but kinda knew not all humans were bad<br />
Dalish seemed more blinded by shem hate

Interesting. I went the other way.
My city elf had met humans, and had her wedding day ruined by their actions. On the other hand, a Dalish elf meets humans terrified of them, and hears stories about them, but never actually talked to them. Plus, the Dalish elf's father did say that they should talk to humans, according to the craftsman in the other clan, which could make for interesting RPing either way you take it.

[Elvis_Shepard]

I was much more invested in the Dalish backstory.

[Ferretinabun]

I use the ZDF patch which makes the epilogue slides fire correctly, and frankly nothing turns out very well for the City Elves if you're a City Elf Warden. Plus, Dalish Elf was the first origin I played...

[Klidi]

Dalish origin is so full of cliche I can't get through it. Too boring. I'm only playing it now so I could get Zevran's wedding, but the poor DE Warden will be replaced by my CE and Surana (my main Warden). I know, I'm a terrible and cruel person.

City elf is better because Shianni and Soris are interesting characters that have also some impact on what's going on later in the game. Plus as someone who grew up in a ghetto, Tabris is practical, cunning, knows how the world turns, and I like that.

[Sushifer]

Well, it's a necrothread, but on a subject I'm fond of, so what the hell, I'll toss my very lengthy opinion in.

I love the Dalish, basically. Which is strange, because I'd never been much of an elf person before (my one true fantasy race love is undoubtedly the hobbits, hah)

The first Origin I ever played was City Elf, but the first I played with my own copy of the game was Dalish. I can't remember all that much about that CE origin playthrough, but I do remember I wasn't half as emotionally invested by the end of it as I was with the Dalish. 

Johun wrote...

The Dalish origin was the only one that made me wish I could stay.

Basically, this. I really, really didn't want to leave. I wanted to stay and play Dalish camp adventure RPG, I mean, who cares about darkspawn when I could be gossiping about elfroot! Similar feelings were evoked during Nature of the Beast, including complete relief and delight that I wasn't shunned as an outsider as I had expected, and was actually welcomed by the clan.

Something about the Dalish origin got in close to my heart and has stuck there. It's funny, because I actually think the City origin is the stronger story and is the one I'd have thought would provoke a greater emotional response. It's probably mostly to do with the way the Dalish origin made me think something along the lines of 'oh man this is so cool I get to be a fiercely proud barbarian guy being all awesome and bitter and defiant in the forest plus the elves are oppressed and short and flawed and generally not perfect demi-beings for a change'. That high, followed by the wrench of then having to leave, was pretty powerful for me in terms of involving me in the game.

The situation the Dalish are in and there subsequent mentality just appealed to me slightly more than the plight of the city elves, I suppose. I just found there was something really evocative and melancholy about the whole lost culture thing, and their continuing desperate defiance against all things human. It still seems like a more unique fantasy-culture mindset to me, I think. There are plenty of opressed downtridden city-dwelling populations in fantasy stories. (Sorry, city elves- I do still think you're interesting, but my heart's with the Dalish!)

Oh, and I really love forests. And ancient ruins in forests. Especially ambiguously sinister monstrosity housing ancient ruins. And werewolves, and tree beings and forest spirits, especially benevolent, genial ones, even if they do rhyme terribley. So Nature of the Beast was another highlight for me, heh.

And then there's the fact I'm extremely interested in real-world human culture, in particular more tribal societies, so the way the Dalish are relatively underdeveloped in terms of their actual culture and beliefs basically gives me a great big sandbox to play around with when I'm writing. Well. I have lots of fun making stuff up, anyway. The little titbits you're thrown concerning Dalish lore during the origin therefore also appealed hugely to that part of me.

I could go on. I think I'll stop while I'm ahead.

tl;dr  Sushifer loves the Dalish far more than is entirely reasonable.

Modifié par Sushifer, 30 août 2011 - 07:57 .

[Fearsome1]

I've played elves more often than any other race. Dalish, twice (male & female). City elf, thrice (male and females). Elf magi, once (female). By the same token, I've only been a human male magi, once and a dwarf noble male rogue, once. Twice for human warrior too (male & female).

They're all fun, but the elves are the best in my opinion.