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[Boost32]

GvazElite wrote...

1. The game sold better on PC, but EA likes to dig their little fingers and try to appeal to console kiddies. The game doesn't have to be consolfied, which it has been from the UI to the combat. The combat needed a minor fix related to animations, not a complete overhaul

do you have any proof?

[AlexXIV]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Lilacs wrote...

Saibh wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Why would a mother stand at the side and watch her kids be slaughtered by darkspawn not doing anything? Far as I know either Carver or Beth die and the templar as well. And if not for Flemeth they all died. It would be different if it were a sort of fair fight, they are outnumbered by far. If I remember the side quest in DA:O where you rescue the refuguees they are 6 unarmed peasants who fight darkspawn with their fists. Just standing there and not doing anything to help just seems wrong.

Maybe she did try. Maybe her her kids told her to stay the hell back, mom, you'll be in our way.

She would cause a lot more damage then good if she didn't run and hide. They'd have to protect her. She'd get in their way.

Right on you are Saibh.  It is their (her children) duty to protect her.

Well it's her children's duty to protect her, and it is her duty to protect her childern. The children are doing wha tthey can, just not she.

Dude.. She's an old lady! It was her duty to protect her children when they were like.. 1 years old to -15 or whatever. Her kids are like 20 something years old now. I think its time for her to be protected.

How old are you btw? Would you still have your mom protect you from the dangers of the world or vise-versa? 

I don't need protection, and my mom is not in any circumstance to fight. She can hardly stand up straight or even walk, but she would put up a better fight than Hawke's mom. And she wouldn't ask me if I agree with it, she would do it whatever I tell her.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 17 février 2011 - 05:26 .

[HolyJellyfish]

GvazElite wrote...


1. The game sold better on PC, but EA likes to dig their little fingers and try to appeal to console kiddies. The game doesn't have to be consolfied, which it has been from the UI to the combat. The combat needed a minor fix related to animations, not a complete overhaul.

Not true. Maria actually provided strong numbers indicating it sold FAR better on Consoles, more on the Xbox 360. Like. We are talking 70% of total sales were consoles.

2. No demo of any sort = no sale. I'll play the game first, and then decide if I want to buy it. 1-3 gameplay videos before release isn't enough. Try more in the realm of what ME2 did for information before release, and get back to me. You might argue "well it's like the first game! it's DA2!" no, not when so much has been changed.

Then its a good thing the Demo is being released on the 22nd, two weeks before the release so that casual gamers who NEED to play the Demo before buying a game will have that demo fresh on their mind before purchase.

As for people like you and me where Brand Loyalty exists, would you actually need the demo before you bought it? Have you already pre ordered it? Many people here have.

3. Sure, I don't mind a demo being released after the game has gone gold, though it's cutting it a little close to go gold less than a month before release. Sounds like poor planning to me. This demo is confirmed however, to be an older build that doesn't incorporate things like: character creation (which press had) and higher graphical features. There really isn't much reason for them to not be implemented, unless it's from a version before they finished the DX11 features, which they were crying about how they didn't finish until recently.

There IS a reason for them not to be implemented - Memory. You are forgetting Console players as well and thinking only of PC gamers.

At least they didn't delay the game. They could have done that. So the fact they cut close to gold doesn't bother me.

Higher graphical features? It looks like the same features to me... hell the graphics in this demo seem far higher in comparison and contrast of the same scenes.

[Ploppy]

Boost32 wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

1. The game sold better on PC, but EA likes to dig their little fingers and try to appeal to console kiddies. The game doesn't have to be consolfied, which it has been from the UI to the combat. The combat needed a minor fix related to animations, not a complete overhaul

do you have any proof?

He doesn't, because he's lying. Over half the copies of DA:O were sold on the 360, PC and PS3 sales were roughly equal.

[Gvaz]

Krytheos wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

falconlord5 wrote...

You? Always.

On a more serious note, why haven't you guys shut this down? Not that I'm complaining or everything, but I am curious.

Well, okay, occassionally. And I have no idea. There are whole groups that handle this sort of thing, and I suspect they're on top of it, if it's an issue, which I imagine it is.

No offense Mr "Lead Designer" but this is what you should have been providing for PC users ****ing MONTHS ago, not 3 weeks before release and shove us off an old press build of a section of the game that isn't even representitive in part or whole of what the game is like.

I'm glad there's this video to watch, cause compared to what you've done with DA:O you've given us almost nothing to whet our appetite like you did with the first game, and frankly it's insulting.

I like how you open with 'no offense' and then go directly into cursing and then telling the Lead Designer what should have been done. The hypocracy and contradiction is absurdedly hilarious, and not to mention the comment 'it's insulting.' 

You know, this isn't a right. It's a privelege, and it always has been. Can't deal with it, fine. That's your shtick. But demanding things from the developers, not to mention feeling that it is an insult is not the politely correct way to do so, nor does it mean it should have been provided. If you'd have liked to never gotten a demo at all, that's fine too. 

Because guess what? ME2 buyers never got a demo until months after it's release. No one could possibly know the weight of the changes made because no demo was released until after the game was out. Would you prefer it that way? 

No? I didn't think so. 

Actually, I knew exactly what I was getting into with ME2 because of all the gameplay videos and information. Though in retrospect I should have not preordered it and waited for it to be $20 on steam cause it wasn't as good (to me, overall) as the first game. That's something else though.

[Koffeegirl]

GvazElite wrote...

Saibh wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

No offense Mr "Lead Designer" but this is what you should have been providing for PC users ****ing MONTHS ago, not 3 weeks before release and shove us off an old press build of a section of the game that isn't even representitive in part or whole of what the game is like.

I'm glad there's this video to watch, cause compared to what you've done with DA:O you've given us almost nothing to whet our appetite like you did with the first game, and frankly it's insulting.

I'm sorry, when are you ever guaranteed a demo? When do you ever deserve it? You don't. Be happy they released it.

Second of all, it makes way more sense to release a demo after the game has gone gold. You know. After it's completed. That way everyone is playing the final model. Three months ago was not the final model. And who says this is an old press build? The press builds didn't let you play as a mage until the demo became the Isabela mission.

Third, why do PC users somehow deserve it before anyone else?

DA:O had a developed of six years. And, you know what? They don't have to tell you jack. I'm quite happy about the amount of information they released. DAO and ME2 were almost completely spoiled. God forbid there's ever any question about what we see. As for gameplay, they have been telling us a lot.

1. The game sold better on PC, but EA likes to dig their little fingers and try to appeal to console kiddies. The game doesn't have to be consolfied, which it has been from the UI to the combat. The combat needed a minor fix related to animations, not a complete overhaul.

2. No demo of any sort = no sale. I'll play the game first, and then decide if I want to buy it. 1-3 gameplay videos before release isn't enough. Try more in the realm of what ME2 did for information before release, and get back to me. You might argue "well it's like the first game! it's DA2!" no, not when so much has been changed.

3. Sure, I don't mind a demo being released after the game has gone gold, though it's cutting it a little close to go gold less than a month before release. Sounds like poor planning to me. This demo is confirmed however, to be an older build that doesn't incorporate things like: character creation (which press had) and higher graphical features. There really isn't much reason for them to not be implemented, unless it's from a version before they finished the DX11 features, which they were crying about how they didn't finish until recently.

Many games, including DAO, sell perfectly fine with no demo. DAO was delayed in its release, which is why they were able to show more gameplay footage, etc.  Also, not everyone buys games on release day. A lot of people get games based on word of mouth. That's why I bought Origins.
I am thankful we are even getting a demo. I am not sure why you feel entitled to one.
If you want to express your opinion than that's okay, but please do it without being disrespectful to console gamers (I play on a PC, but I have friends that play on console and they are not console kiddies, but professional working adults.)  and the devs who made this game. I think its amazing that they even respond to us forumites, which they do on their own time.
If you don't want to buy the game that's fine, but please don't insult everyone else that does.
Relax, it's just a video game.

[Eclipse_9990]

GvazElite wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

And to be honest I'm more upset with the fans, where you get this juicy new gameplay video and all you guys talk about is god damn breast sizes.

Grow up.

So when people are happy you feel the need to storm in, make a speech, then berate the people listening to said speech?

You must be a really likable person in RL. <_<

No, I'm just frustrated with the direction that DA has taken. DA:O wasn't perfect, but it did a lot of things right. A lot of things from ME2 should not have been incorporated into DA (voiced PC, Laidlaw saying they did this "innovative" new thing where you can tell at a glance what type of reply the tone is going to be, except Rise of the Argonauts did this first).

Nothing I've seen so far has left me impressed, and in fact makes me want to replay DA:O instead.

Then go ahead and play some DA:O then. The game has gone gold, theres nothing we can do about it. We don't care.  Why are you whining to us? Nobody caaaaares!

[Saibh]

GvazElite wrote...

1. The game sold better on PC, but EA likes to dig their little fingers and try to appeal to console kiddies. The game doesn't have to be consolfied, which it has been from the UI to the combat. The combat needed a minor fix related to animations, not a complete overhaul.

So, this means that PC users are better and therefore deserve more stuff, earlier? Oh, look, it's a PC elitist. Let's all bow down to our god! Stop and think for a second--two different platforms sold better than one platform. Therefore, console sold better. Guess you ought not get that demo, huh? 

And, don't know if you noticed--combat is pretty much the same. Just flashier.

2. No demo of any sort = no sale. I'll play the game first, and then decide if I want to buy it. 1-3 gameplay videos before release isn't enough. Try more in the realm of what ME2 did for information before release, and get back to me. You might argue "well it's like the first game! it's DA2!" no, not when so much has been changed.

That's great. What about the thousands of other games that sold just fine without demos?

Or, are they supposed to care about you, personally, and your sale?

Oh, and...guess you never bought DAO then.

3. Sure, I don't mind a demo being released after the game has gone gold, though it's cutting it a little close to go gold less than a month before release. Sounds like poor planning to me.

It's still before release, isn't it? At least this way, the game is fresh in your mind and of the correct build. They don't count on desperate nerds like us waiting for every piece of information for the entire development cycle. 

This demo is confirmed however, to be an older build

Source, please. I don't recall this.

that doesn't incorporate things like: character creation (which press had)

Some. Maybe they didn't want the demo being too big of a file.

and higher graphical features. There really isn't much reason for them to not be implemented, unless it's from a version before they finished the DX11 features, which they were crying about how they didn't finish until recently.

File size.

And, where was this 'crying'?

Modifié par Saibh, 17 février 2011 - 05:34 .

[Krytheos]

GvazElite wrote...

Saibh wrote...

GvazElite wrote...

No offense Mr "Lead Designer" but this is what you should have been providing for PC users ****ing MONTHS ago, not 3 weeks before release and shove us off an old press build of a section of the game that isn't even representitive in part or whole of what the game is like.

I'm glad there's this video to watch, cause compared to what you've done with DA:O you've given us almost nothing to whet our appetite like you did with the first game, and frankly it's insulting.

I'm sorry, when are you ever guaranteed a demo? When do you ever deserve it? You don't. Be happy they released it.

Second of all, it makes way more sense to release a demo after the game has gone gold. You know. After it's completed. That way everyone is playing the final model. Three months ago was not the final model. And who says this is an old press build? The press builds didn't let you play as a mage until the demo became the Isabela mission.

Third, why do PC users somehow deserve it before anyone else?

DA:O had a developed of six years. And, you know what? They don't have to tell you jack. I'm quite happy about the amount of information they released. DAO and ME2 were almost completely spoiled. God forbid there's ever any question about what we see. As for gameplay, they have been telling us a lot.

1. The game sold better on PC, but EA likes to dig their little fingers and try to appeal to console kiddies. The game doesn't have to be consolfied, which it has been from the UI to the combat. The combat needed a minor fix related to animations, not a complete overhaul.

2. No demo of any sort = no sale. I'll play the game first, and then decide if I want to buy it. 1-3 gameplay videos before release isn't enough. Try more in the realm of what ME2 did for information before release, and get back to me. You might argue "well it's like the first game! it's DA2!" no, not when so much has been changed.

3. Sure, I don't mind a demo being released after the game has gone gold, though it's cutting it a little close to go gold less than a month before release. Sounds like poor planning to me. This demo is confirmed however, to be an older build that doesn't incorporate things like: character creation (which press had) and higher graphical features. There really isn't much reason for them to not be implemented, unless it's from a version before they finished the DX11 features, which they were crying about how they didn't finish until recently.

So the argument is, because the game sold better on PC, PC gets it only? No. That's not even a good business model by any stretch. EA is a business company. If the game is multiplatform, it shows favoritism towards one console over the other, as well as being a generally bad business model. If you want to appeal to people using a demo, and the game is on multiple platforms, the best business model conceivable is releasing the demo on all available platforms simultaneously. 

Ignoring the obvious PC elitism and 'console kiddies' comment, did ME2 sell well? Yes it did. It sold well without needing a demo. You do not need to be provided with a demo, and it is not a right. This is a privilege that is not conclusive to the right or entitlement therein. It is a privilege that we have, that companies do not have to provide for us, yet many companies do to produce interest in the product they are selling to consumers. Sometimes this backfires, and it is then something called 'negative feedback' because either the consumer found it in poor quality, or the core of the game was bugged, or what have you. Numerous problems could arise. Such is the life of a demo. 

[Ryzaki]

Okay for the spoilers thing I feel no sympathy if you keep watching vids and reading reviews and then act shocked that you got spoiled.

Really. You don't want to know who the character's are? Don't watch the character videos. Don't look up "Characters" on the DA webpage.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 février 2011 - 05:30 .

[dreamextractor]

Aw, do we have to do the whole PC VS Console war thing again and get this thread locked down?

[AlexXIV]

dreamextractor wrote...

Aw, do we have to do the whole PC VS Console war thing again and get this thread locked down?

Not before I have seen part 3!

[Eclipse_9990]

AlexXIV wrote...

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Lilacs wrote...

Saibh wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Why would a mother stand at the side and watch her kids be slaughtered by darkspawn not doing anything? Far as I know either Carver or Beth die and the templar as well. And if not for Flemeth they all died. It would be different if it were a sort of fair fight, they are outnumbered by far. If I remember the side quest in DA:O where you rescue the refuguees they are 6 unarmed peasants who fight darkspawn with their fists. Just standing there and not doing anything to help just seems wrong.

Maybe she did try. Maybe her her kids told her to stay the hell back, mom, you'll be in our way.

She would cause a lot more damage then good if she didn't run and hide. They'd have to protect her. She'd get in their way.

Right on you are Saibh.  It is their (her children) duty to protect her.

Well it's her children's duty to protect her, and it is her duty to protect her childern. The children are doing wha tthey can, just not she.

Dude.. She's an old lady! It was her duty to protect her children when they were like.. 1 years old to -15 or whatever. Her kids are like 20 something years old now. I think its time for her to be protected.

How old are you btw? Would you still have your mom protect you from the dangers of the world or vise-versa? 

I don't need protection, and my mom is not in any circumstance to fight. She can hardly stand up straight or even walk, but she would put up a better fight than Hawke's mom. And she wouldn't ask me if I agree with it, she would do it whatever I tell her.

I'm sorry but if I was in battle there is no way in hell I would let my mom fight  if she didn't know how. Letting someone run into battle who doesnt know how to fight especially your own mother, is just a bad move. Plain and simple. 

[Dr. wonderful]

Yes.





Lock it, so I never have to read this.soddin arse crap.

[Peter Thomas]

Filament wrote...

I notice that experience isn't added until after the battle... is that just a delayed ticker that summarizes the XP from all of the baddies you killed, or has it been changed so that now you get experience for encounters rather than individual enemies?

Both, actually. Experience is granted per creature, but only finalized when combat mode ends. You also get a bit more for finishing everything in the encounter.

[tuejmccoy]

Did anyone notice, that the menu for changing Hawkes appearance pops up AFTER the exaggerated scene(part1 of the video)? Does this mean, you can make Hawke ugly as hell, and he/she will be still attractive in the exaggerated parts? Maybe Cassandra won't even recognize him/her, when she meets him/her first after Varicks story-telling.

[Piecake]

AlexXIV wrote...

dreamextractor wrote...

Aw, do we have to do the whole PC VS Console war thing again and get this thread locked down?

Not before I have seen part 3!

Hopefully there is a part 3.  1/2 and 2/2 depressed me so.  Gimme 1/15 and 2/15 instead

[Saibh]

AlexXIV wrote...

You realize that your exaggerating does you no credit? It just shows that you know you are wrong. I never said she should charge in the middle or whatever.

She's going to run into battle. What should she do, lightly tap at the outskirts, then run away shouting "neener neener neener!"?

Fighting any darkspawn is liable to get her killed. Once again, she knows nothing about fighting. She is a burden to them. If her children would have it, probably the kindest thing for her to do would sit down and let the darkspawn take her, instead of slowing her kids down and forcing them to protect her even more.

[giZm]

As of now there is no next part. I didn't expect the videos to blow up like this. If the devs are ok with it I'll make/post more videos, but I kind of doubt they will be



Also, for the record, I didn't get this demo from either Bioware or Gamestop. That's all I'm going to say to this.



Devs, contact me if you want the videos taken down.

[Lord_Anthonior]

Excellent!!! just watched the videos...damn now I'm more convinced that I won't be able to let my sister die. I liked the cutscenes and the switch from Hawke to Varric, now I see what Mike Laidlaw said like "The usual suspects" it's going to move excellent during the 10 year span.

[Ryzaki]

Where did Hawke and Carver learn to fight?



Their father is said to be a mage and for whatever reason Mages seem incapable of learning how to use swords/bows and the like. So who trained them? And if they weren't trained and simply picked up a weapon and stopped hacking what is stopping Momma Hawke from doing the same?

[Mike Laidlaw]

GvazElite wrote...

No offense Mr "Lead Designer" but this is what you should have been providing for PC users ****ing MONTHS ago, not 3 weeks before release and shove us off an old press build of a section of the game that isn't even representitive in part or whole of what the game is like.

I'm glad there's this video to watch, cause compared to what you've done with DA:O you've given us almost nothing to whet our appetite like you did with the first game, and frankly it's insulting.

Ah, there's nothing quite like a post the opens with no offense and then puts your title in quotes. Nothing could go downhill from there!

Regardless, I'm sorry you're offended at our release schedule for assets. Sometimes the realities of the game we're making do not allow us to release detailed videos multiple-asterisk months before the game is finished. And sometimes they allow us to release a demo before the game ships so that you can try it for yourself and make the most informed decision possible.

And if that doesn't soothe the offended feeling, not much is going to.

[AlexXIV]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

I'm sorry but if I was in battle there is no way in hell I would let my mom fight  if she didn't know how. Letting someone run into battle who doesnt know how to fight especially your own mother, is just a bad move. Plain and simple. 

Honestly, leaving my mom and dad to die like the Warden in DA:O would be an absolute no go. I'd rather stay with my parents and die. And of course I would tell my mom to stay out of the fight, just that she wouldn't listen to me.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 17 février 2011 - 05:37 .