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#1501
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Xewaka wrote...

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This game will sell far less than dao. The misure how "less" will determine if we will have no dragon age 3 or a better version of it.....

Meh. Everyone who's been following the market a bit knows that what will sink Dragon Age will be SW:tOR fail.


Are you ready to eat your words if you are wrong?

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i'm thinking DA2 will actually outsell origins.

from what i've seen until now i'm excited for it's release and almost all the changes seem that were for the better.

i no doubt will be called a blind sheep for this statement though, and you know....tough, the game is better according to my tastes.

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I think it´ll sell around the same as Origins. We´ll probably get the usual 2+ million sold first week which will mostly be bought by people who played Origins, and no more comment about sales for months. Then if the game wasn´t liked that much DA3 will take the hit.

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I'm watching the vids again, and I noticed that, in the first one, at least, SheHawke's hair looks like it's higher quality than the family's - it looks more like something made up of individual hairs, rather than a plasticy mass. Not sure if it's just 'cos it's default-Hawke, or maybe the family are older models that hadn't been updated

Also, just noticed that the teeth seem a good bit better - less yellow, though I didn't mind that, myself, adn more like seperate teeth, rather than just a block with lines down it.

Modifié par stujlaird, 18 février 2011 - 01:26 .


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LPPrince wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...
This game will sell far less than dao. The misure how "less" will determine if we will have no dragon age 3 or a better version of it.....

Meh. Everyone who's been following the market a bit knows that what will sink Dragon Age will be SW:tOR fail.


Are you ready to eat your words if you are wrong?


i have read some post from an italian previewer who is playing the full game for the review. He said that this game is fun but is really different from dragon age. It is action oriented with a nice story but Meh.....

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Rixxencaxx wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...
This game will sell far less than dao. The misure how "less" will determine if we will have no dragon age 3 or a better version of it.....

Meh. Everyone who's been following the market a bit knows that what will sink Dragon Age will be SW:tOR fail.


Are you ready to eat your words if you are wrong?


i have read some post from an italian previewer who is playing the full game for the review. He said that this game is fun but is really different from dragon age. It is action oriented with a nice story but Meh.....


This is not really the place to discuss another game is it? Take your concerns to the SWTOR forum.

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LPPrince wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...
This game will sell far less than dao. The misure how "less" will determine if we will have no dragon age 3 or a better version of it.....

Meh. Everyone who's been following the market a bit knows that what will sink Dragon Age will be SW:tOR fail.

Are you ready to eat your words if you are wrong?

I'm just pointing the trend marked by WAR, APB, FF XIV, etc.
If they manage to break the trend, more power to them. But I've long come to terms with the fact that pessimism is the best way of handling these things: Either you're right, or you're pleasantly surprised. Win/win.

About the videos, I still find myself smirking at Carver's shuffling.

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packardbell wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...
This game will sell far less than dao. The misure how "less" will determine if we will have no dragon age 3 or a better version of it.....

Meh. Everyone who's been following the market a bit knows that what will sink Dragon Age will be SW:tOR fail.


Are you ready to eat your words if you are wrong?


i have read some post from an italian previewer who is playing the full game for the review. He said that this game is fun but is really different from dragon age. It is action oriented with a nice story but Meh.....


This is not really the place to discuss another game is it? Take your concerns to the SWTOR forum.


my post was about dragon age 2 <_<

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usually games with bad graphics are content heavy....dragon age 2 is bad from every point of view.

Graphics are mediocre, and gameplay is hack n slash.....you can't customize your party appearence and exploration is near to zero......

People on forums outside this....look at skyrim and the witcher 2 and ask themselves why they should buy dragon age 2

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Ryzaki wrote...

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Eh, I've seen posts on the ME forums even from ManSheps who rate Hale's voicework as being better than Meer's. Regardless, I qualified my statement somewhat with 'significant number', if not the majority. I'd call a fifth of all Sheps quite significant. Where do you get the 20% figure from? 


Some BW press release about ME2 stats. 


Its still 20% of the people they disconnected. I keep saying that if there was more exposure of her, more girl gamers would be interested in the franchise. I got hooked over a fan trailer, where they replaced M!Shepard with F!Shepard. Otherwise, I would still be uninterested in bioware.

I'm not narrowminded or hateful. I just like playing my own gender.


Yes but 20% isn't a majority and isn't a number you can then try to use to say "FemShep sounds better than Meer." frankly I'm female and I can't stand FemShep. 

Though I would prefer more exposure of her I'm just baffled where this "She's so much better than Meer!" attitude comes from. 



Fair enough. Though I never categorically stated anything as 'fact', and, again, I qualified my initial statement somewhat.  I certainly never ridiculed Meer, nor did I say that I personally thought he was crap or anything (because I didn't, even though I preferred Hale), don't really understand that mentality at all. Just diff'rent strokes and all that. That more people generally seemed to prefer Hale was an impression I got from the bioboards at the time ME was released and subsequently, and like I said even from those who played Male Shepards, so belong to this 80% majority (though obviously not including yourself). Plus when even a fairly major gaming mag like PC Gamer starts saying they'd like to see more of FemShep rather than MaleShep, I figured it was an argument not totally without merit.

Meh, it hardly matters anyway. My overall point was meant to agree that it was a shame that Bio didn't make more of an effort to give FemShep some press coverage - I have at least one female friend who had no idea she could play as a female character in ME until I told her. She has, however, already discovered independently that she can play as LadyHawke. 

I'm just really, really glad that Bio seems, from the demo, to have made an effort with LadyHawke - she doesn't walk (or sit) like a man, her default appearance is very striking and she's had more exposure, even though at least some of that has been 'unofficial'. A definite improvement in their marketing strategy towards female gamers and those guys who like playing as female characters. 

Loved the demo overall. Think I'm going to need a sedative to help me through the next couple of weeks. Anyone got any Night Nurse? x

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 18 février 2011 - 01:43 .


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You're funny, Rixxen, with the hack and slash comment.

When it comes to exploration, we don't know how the game's going to be with regards to that. You surely can't look at the demo and then say there will definitely not be any areas where you can wander off the beaten path. There may or there may not be, but to say there isn't without playing, that's a bit wrong don't you think? See, my problem with the statement is that it's stated as a 'fact', rather than something you 'think' is possibly the case.

I don't even know why I'm replying either, as the combat comment told me not too. It's the same as Origins outside of the animations and being quicker. *shrugs* (As an aside, remember that the characters are level 2 -3, so they don't have many abilities at all either.)

Modifié par Dan_cw, 18 février 2011 - 01:50 .


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Dan_cw wrote...

You're funny, Rixxen, with the hack and slash comment.

When it comes to exploration, we don't know how the game's going to be with regards to that. You surely can't look at the demo and then say there will definitely not be any areas where you can wander off the beaten path. There may or there may not be, but to say there isn't without playing, that's a bit wrong don't you think? See, my problem with the statement is that it's stated as a 'fact', rather than something you 'think' is possibly the case.

I don't even know why I'm replying either, as the combat comment told me not too. It's the same as Origins outside of the animations and being quicker. *shrugs*


what about the batch of enemies that "dance" in sync?
they are really natural....

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1) The build is not the same as the demo we're getting. So, things could have changed, though they may not have.

2) Enlighten to me as to the 'dance in sync' thing? Do you mean where they come onto the screen at the same time and such? Doesn't bother me.

Edit: Also, it's not clear how the party appearance thing works. The only information we have is that their armor is not as customisable as Hawke's, because you can't kit them out with helms, boots, gloves and chest armor. We don't know whether the upgrades you buy change their appearance or if it just changes as the game progresses and we also don't know how many upgrades can be bought for each party member. Secondly, you can still customise their rings, amulets, weapons (outside of Varric I think) and equip runes on them.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 18 février 2011 - 02:08 .


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Rixxencaxx wrote...
usually games with bad graphics are content heavy....dragon age 2 is bad from every point of view.
Graphics are mediocre, and gameplay is hack n slash.....you can't customize your party appearence and exploration is near to zero......
People on forums outside this....look at skyrim and the witcher 2 and ask themselves why they should buy dragon age 2

Superior narrative? No cheesy sex cards? Pause and play party based gameplay?

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Rixxencaxx wrote...
People on forums outside this....look at skyrim and the witcher 2 and ask themselves why they should buy dragon age 2

It's a shame they're mutually exclusive.

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Ziggeh wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...
People on forums outside this....look at skyrim and the witcher 2 and ask themselves why they should buy dragon age 2

It's a shame they're mutually exclusive.


I have to agree there. I'll be getting Skyrim for the exploration, Witcher 2 for the story and a more European Mediaeval style, and Dragon Age 2 for the characters, and because Bioware usually tells a cracking good yarn.  
To be honest, any one of the above games would have to have graphics and gameplay like Descent into Undermountain to make me consider not purchasing. And even then I'd still think about it. 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 18 février 2011 - 02:21 .


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Fair enough. Though I never categorically stated anything as 'fact', and, again, I qualified my initial statement somewhat.  I certainly never ridiculed Meer, nor did I say that I personally thought he was crap or anything (because I didn't, even though I preferred Hale), don't really understand that mentality at all. Just diff'rent strokes and all that. That more people generally seemed to prefer Hale was an impression I got from the bioboards at the time ME was released and subsequently, and like I said even from those who played Male Shepards, so belong to this 80% majority (though obviously not including yourself). Plus when even a fairly major gaming mag like PC Gamer starts saying they'd like to see more of FemShep rather than MaleShep, I figured it was an argument not totally without merit.

Meh, it hardly matters anyway. My overall point was meant to agree that it was a shame that Bio didn't make more of an effort to give FemShep some press coverage - I have at least one female friend who had no idea she could play as a female character in ME until I told her. She has, however, already discovered independently that she can play as LadyHawke. 

I'm just really, really glad that Bio seems, from the demo, to have made an effort with LadyHawke - she doesn't walk (or sit) like a man, her default appearance is very striking and she's had more exposure, even though at least some of that has been 'unofficial'. A definite improvement in their marketing strategy towards female gamers and those guys who like playing as female characters. 

Loved the demo overall. Think I'm going to need a sedative to help me through the next couple of weeks. Anyone got any Night Nurse? x




But the thing is the majority of people don't post on these forums. So we have no way of knowing if they prefer Meer or Hale one way or another. These forums are a very very very loud minority. As for PC Gamer those are articles written by single people. That single person might've preferred FemShep. That's all there is to it. 

Though yes BW could at least advertise a feature in their game. I knew about FemShep because I was on the forums but if I wasn't I wouldn't have had a clue. That's not good for a feature BW puts so much time and effort into. 

Though I had no problem with female animations in DAO. /shrug and in ME all animations look like crap male or female. 

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Though what build is that demo from? Anyone know?

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The same, I'll most likely end up getting DA 2 and either The Witcher or Skyrim, if not all three (most likely scenario).

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No idea sadly, Ryzaki. :( All I know is it was from some convention?

Edit: In any case, the live stream shows a better version of how the game will play, complete with pausing etc.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 18 février 2011 - 02:26 .


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Dan_cw wrote...

1) The build is not the same as the demo we're getting. So, things could have changed, though they may not have.


I am close to 100% that Bioware is just covering their ass saying it's an older build.

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GvazElite wrote...

Dan_cw wrote...

1) The build is not the same as the demo we're getting. So, things could have changed, though they may not have.


I am close to 100% that Bioware is just covering their ass saying it's an older build.


What would they gain from saying that? Absoutely nothing, I really don't think they care what you have to say about the technicalities of a demo.

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the game looks like more hack'n slash and less roleplay.honestly combat animations looks terrible.

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gastovski wrote...

the game looks like more hack'n slash and less roleplay.honestly combat animations looks terrible.


What a wonderful observation. Obviously you've played and completed the game already.

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Gasto, I'm not going to debate the animations, as that is too subjective. However, have you watched the video from the live stream where Mike answers questions?

To me, the gameplay looks pretty darn similar to Origins outside of the animations and the quicker speed. Origins also had a lot of combat when it came to the dungeons, don't forget. I think the reason it seems like there's more combat is because they're fleeing from the darkspawn.

Modifié par Dan_cw, 18 février 2011 - 02:37 .