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[Johnny Shepard]

How will it work? Does the damage depend on what Staff you got? Can a Mage defeat enemys with melee or are the attacks to weak? Do they automatic change to melee when enemys get near or can you deside to use melee? Or does it only happen sometimes? I would love to be able to fight like Hawke in the CGI-trailer. Fighting with the Staff and use Magic. I'm guessing melee won't be really powerfull for Mages but I hope they still do good damage and don't feel like a waste of time.

[megaz635]

Melee is weaker, Long range is stronger.



Keep distance and you'll be fine.

[Eclipse_9990]

Damage depends on staff, and Magic stat. For both ranged, and melee.

[Eclipse_9990]

megaz635 wrote...

Melee is weaker, Long range is stronger.

Keep distance and you'll be fine.

Wrong. Melee does the same damage as Ranged. 

Modifié par Eclipse_9990, 17 février 2011 - 04:46 .

[Withlove]

I thought melee and ranged damage were the same..?

Edit: Never mind 

Modifié par Withlove, 17 février 2011 - 05:02 .

[Johnny Shepard]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

megaz635 wrote...

Melee is weaker, Long range is stronger.

Keep distance and you'll be fine.

Wrong. Melee does the same damage as Ranged. 

Wow, thats good news.

[andar91]

The damage is the same; the animation is just different. Except you're safer from a distance (unless Archers are hanging around). Mages are still squishy.

[Eclipse_9990]

andar91 wrote...

The damage is the same; the animation is just different. Except you're safer from a distance (unless Archers are hanging around). Mages are still squishy.

Not if you have rock armor. 

[GrayCloak21]

I suppose that you could also have actual armor, if you wanted to make a really weird mage and pump up your strength stat.

[UnAffectedFiddle]

Hopefully its paving way for a proper Arcane Warrior type character. Not a "turn eveyr buff on and go to sleep" one.

[LK Tien]

(mage - age + onk) = win

[Emperor Mars]

Hopefully with the right combos, like rock armor, flame weapons, and buffs we can get something akin to an arcane warrior

[Pauravi]

UnAffectedFiddle wrote...

Hopefully its paving way for a proper Arcane Warrior type character. Not a "turn eveyr buff on and go to sleep" one.

Indeed.  I like this mechanic.  In fact, the DAO Arcane Warrior was kind of odd to me for that reason.  I would have generally imagined that mages who wanted to melee were there to cause mass havoc, not to be a tank.  The AW seemed to emphasize defense quite a bit (at least until all the damage-field spells came out in the expansion), with almost zero actual spellcasting.

This new direction for mage seems to lay down the groundwork for an Arcane Warrior who is more like what I'd imagine a warrior-mage is: someone who still likes blasting, but just does it up-close and personal.  Of course this new style is possible in part because of the new instant-action combat mechanic.  Being squishy is a fair trade-off, although a little defensive enhancement would probably be requisite for a true battle mage.

[godlike13]

That why even though im sad the got rid of Arcane Warrior, im taking it really well. From what ive seen a lot of the aspects the made a Arcane Warrior as fun as it was seems to have just been incorporated into the reworked Mage mechanics.

Modifié par godlike13, 17 février 2011 - 05:52 .

[Sabresandiego]

Mage cannot stand up to a warrior in melee combat! Can a book nerd beat up the school wrestling champ! NO! If you want to melee then pick warrior, or if you want to fight like a scumbag pick a rogue! If you want to babble at people and launch fireballs pick mage, but dont pick a mage and try to fight like a warrior!

I'm just kidding, I hope there is some kind of battle mage build that is unique and fun. It better not outshine warriors though!

Modifié par Sabresandiego, 17 février 2011 - 05:56 .

[junte86]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Mage cannot stand up to a warrior in melee combat! Can a book nerd beat up the school wrestling champ! NO! If you want to melee then pick warrior, or if you want to fight like a scumbag pick a rogue! If you want to babble at people and launch fireballs pick mage, but dont pick a mage and try to fight like a warrior!

I'm just kidding, I hope there is some kind of battle mage build that is unique and fun. It better not outshine warriors though!

Damage wise Mage might be better with their spells, but if they prefer close combat,, the mage character will die faster than warrior, since their hp bar is really really low compared to warrior,
I like the idea of mage wearing armor and being a close combat fighter, although it is not the ideal setting for mage, anyway since hydra's razor seems to increase mana I think there will be some sword weapons that can be good for mages.

[lazuli]

junte86 wrote...

Damage wise Mage might be better with their spells, but if they prefer close combat,, the mage character will die faster than warrior, since their hp bar is really really low compared to warrior,
I like the idea of mage wearing armor and being a close combat fighter, although it is not the ideal setting for mage, anyway since hydra's razor seems to increase mana I think there will be some sword weapons that can be good for mages.

A developer reported that it increases both mana and stamina.  Resource increasing items in DA:O were a little ambiguous with their naming, and the traits may have even been married (enchantment X increases both mana and stamina).  It's possible that this is what's going on with the Razor, but of course I can't be certain.

[Haussier]

I just want to be able to get the whole "battle Mage" feel, in that I can hold my own in melee but I really shine in shooting waves of flame and ice heheh. Hopefully melee for mages will be slightly more useful in da2 than dao.

[junte86]

Haussier wrote...

I just want to be able to get the whole "battle Mage" feel, in that I can hold my own in melee but I really shine in shooting waves of flame and ice heheh. Hopefully melee for mages will be slightly more useful in da2 than dao.

Unless we start using spells, I do not think it will be that useful compared to DA origin. Staff damage tends to be lower because they do not miss and they do not have critical hits, unless they changed that... Mage using sword or some other weapons will always be inferior compared to warrior or rouges, in my personal opinion I think battle mage build in DA 2 will be cant hold his own in melee but if they start using spell and do some crowd control... Fun and enjoyable, but not really useful in terms game play....

althuogh I am sure I will do some melee with my mage since I love spear and polearm and it seems mage's melee animations remind me of spears.

[godlike13]

Im sure depending on the build a Mage can hold his own just fine in melee. Maybe not tank, but be effective non the less.

Modifié par godlike13, 17 février 2011 - 06:29 .

[Johnny Shepard]

godlike13 wrote...

Im sure depending on the build a Mage can hold his own just fine in melee. Maybe not tank, but be effective non the less.

I hope so. That would be so fun to play.

[AustinKain]

Sabresandiego wrote...

Mage cannot stand up to a warrior in melee combat! Can a book nerd beat up the school wrestling champ! NO! If you want to melee then pick warrior, or if you want to fight like a scumbag pick a rogue! If you want to babble at people and launch fireballs pick mage, but dont pick a mage and try to fight like a warrior!

I'm just kidding, I hope there is some kind of battle mage build that is unique and fun. It better not outshine warriors though!

Actually if the "book nerd" has read the right books, and or knows how to use said books he can beat up the school wrestling champ.

Take your elitist ideaology back to what ever rascist anti-social organization you are a memeber of , and stay amoongst like minded fools.

Thank you and have a nice day.

[Albatroz]

Use the search function. You'll literally find dozens of threads all about this.

[ALVIG824]

Eclipse_9990 wrote...

andar91 wrote...

The damage is the same; the animation is just different. Except you're safer from a distance (unless Archers are hanging around). Mages are still squishy.

Not if you have rock armor. 

even so, actuall armor is still tougher. although yes, rockarmor will give give you considerable protection in CQB

[lazuli]

AustinKain wrote...

Sabresandiego wrote...

Mage cannot stand up to a warrior in melee combat! Can a book nerd beat up the school wrestling champ! NO! If you want to melee then pick warrior, or if you want to fight like a scumbag pick a rogue! If you want to babble at people and launch fireballs pick mage, but dont pick a mage and try to fight like a warrior!

I'm just kidding, I hope there is some kind of battle mage build that is unique and fun. It better not outshine warriors though!

Actually if the "book nerd" has read the right books, and or knows how to use said books he can beat up the school wrestling champ.

Take your elitist ideaology back to what ever rascist anti-social organization you are a memeber of , and stay amoongst like minded fools.

Thank you and have a nice day.

You should read his entire post.