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[Remus Artega]

I could drop the 13-15 points but all in all I concur...

[Rune-Chan]

I agree with all except 9, 13, 14 and 15.



9 -I don't like Cerberus, but they should have some role to play.

13 - I like Elcor but we don't need one on our team. Maybe one can be the new weapons seller like in ME1.

14- Jennifer Hale rocks, but I disagree with the general point made: "Unless you want to have lips thicker than your wrists and talk like a sportscaster, you play as a female Commander Shepard in Mass Effect." Or how about you are a guy who wants to play as "You"? They should either have both Shepard's on the box or neither.

15 - Do I really need to explain why...

[Fragglespank]

"their only option is one of the least interesting characters in the series."

[ShaggyWolf]

I was going to write a really long rant about the whole article, but to save the hampsters who power the internet, I'll just write about the 2 things that really ticked me off.

First, bashing Mark Meer and Male Shepard was screwed up. Mark Meer's voice acting is awesome, I don't care what anyone says. And you can customize Shepard, so their comments about his appearance are irrelevant. The fact that they posted a SS of a custom femshep is extra hypocritical in this regard.

To be clear, Female Shepard and Jennifer Hale are awesome, and people are welcome to that opinion. What ticked me off is that they basically stated that their opinion was superior, and that people like me are inferior somehow, because we're comfortable playing a PC that's the same gender as we are.

Now they can give me their employee discount, but they still hurt my feelings...

The other thing that ticked me off was their suggestion that all LI's be bi out of principle. I get the feeling after reading that whole article that they just want to watch Tali and femshep make out, since they're obviously big fans of the two of them. To be clear, I have no problem with anyone's sexual orientation, but for ME characters, that orientation had better make sense, and it had better stay consistent. For example, what if Thane suddenly turned bi? How would that make sense? He was married to, and had a child with a woman. But I doubt they were thinking about that, because see: 2nd sentence of this paragraph.

The fact that they basically said: 'these characters aren't masterpieces, so do it,' begs the question: Why do you care what orientation they are then, or even about romancing them at all? You don't go and start changing character's sexual orientation to make fans happy. While we're at it, why don't we make Wrex a softie LI, and a squadmate with rapid fire nuke launchers... because I dunno, that'd make some people happy?

 I hate it when people bash the writing in these games, most of the time they sound like a bitter hipster.

Anyway, if BW wanted to write new characters/squadmates that could open up new same-sex relationships in ME3, I'd be fine with it. I'd just be ticked if they screwed with pre-existing characters for the sake of fanservice.

There were other things I wanted to say in regards to weapons and ammo and whatnot, but BW knows what they're doing and they probably have all that figured out by now, so my page-long opinions on the general boards won't accomplish anything.
So in closing, I'll just say that Soldiers have Adrenaline Rush, and it's pretty devastating

[Tasker]

With the exception of number 15, I wholeheartedly agree with all of the points in that list. 

Number 15 i'm in 2 minds about, I would like to see what she looks like, but it's pretty much guaranteed that she won't look like I expect her to.

[Ahriman]

Meh. I've seen many wishlists and many of them are better than this one.

[JJ Long]

The whole thing about female Shepard negates everything said by the author.

[KenKenpachi]

Actully I've seen a few lists like this in other gaming mags what I find in common is the alll think the romances are poor, the Illusive man and Cerberus is evil and WILL stab you in the back, and most have a less than favorable opinion of Fem Shepard (or at least want a major overhaul). This is the first that goes PUT HER ON THE BOX! And the points on Blue Girl a number of other lists seemed to call her out, the only major things I seen in other gamer mag lists is, Switch Elcor for Hanar and vice versa. All of them seemed to hate the Thermel clip system however, and thought the cover system needed more work. So this list is nothing new, and I tend to agree with most of it. Though not all of it.

So Basically we get them to post here and YAY Flame War Fuel!

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 17 février 2011 - 01:43 .

[Scimal]

Milana_Saros wrote...

Wow...the Character - Fate chart makes the whole Liara-thing even more obvious and painful.

LIara is a fan favorite.

However, the chart is wrong.

If you save Kaidan, he always lives, and vice versa for Ashely. One or the other dies, not both.

So you're guaranteed to have Liara + ME1 Squaddie in ME3, not just Liara.

Outside of that, the author seems to forget that Shepard can die in ME2, which makes it more interesting.

Anyways, I agree with most of the list... but the whole thing sounded like a forum-post here instead of an actual article. While there was a brief paragraph of backup "evidence," I would've loved to have read more of what went into the actual decisions.

[Zulu_DFA]

Terror_K wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

Liara can die in LotSB?

No, but... well... let's just say events in LotSB would seem to strongly indicate that she wouldn't be a squaddie again in ME3.

I'm sure, anyone who seriously thinks so is in for a big surprize in ME3. Liara is an asset BioWare simply won't be able to pass up, as far as the "returning squaddies" are concerned.

As to the article itself, I loved points ## 2 & 8. Among others there are those I agree with and some I disagree, and think the author is either being opinionated, or not serious.

"Elcor squadmate"? [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/sick.png[/smilie]

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 17 février 2011 - 02:12 .

[Hathur]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Point 15 invalidates the entire list. The author assume everyone has the hots for a faceless bunch of pixelated hips.
Sure, I like Tali, but no more than I like Liara, Miranda, Jack, Wrex, Garrus or any of the other bunches of pixels that are on my screen.

This notion you and others propagate is bullcrap... the whole "hots for a bunch of pixelated women" / etc. You know why it's bullcrap? Because humans FANTASIZE ... we do it every bloody damn day pretty much... we do it in our dreams.

Ever read a fiction novel? Ever find a character you thought was really cool / inspiring / interesting or hell, was a type of person you dreamed you could be? What about a written character that had personality traits you would find appealing or ideal in a lover? Are you telling me you couldn't FANTASIZE about that? You can't fantasize being a super hero? A cyborg? A knight in shining armor? A villain who takes over the world? 

I'm sure you can.... so why can't you fantasize about a love interest? Fantasizing over a written character, by your logic, is like "oh man it's so stupid and lame to fantasize over that stupid stuff written on sheets of paper!" .... Be it pixels, or paper or a concept not expressed on a physical form, humans fantasize all the goddamn time... it's escapism.

Your statement is complete bull**** because you're saying you could never read a novel and CARE about a fictional character... to be invested in it or have some degree of emotional attachment to it (be it hatred, anger, disgust, love, appreciation, etc).

If you can feel something about a fiction character in a book, tv show, movie... then you can do so in a video game as well... and if you can't for any of those things, then you're a very odd and anomalous human being, so... yay for you?

Modifié par Hathur, 17 février 2011 - 02:15 .

[nevar00]

I have to agree with everything there, aside from 9, 14, and maybe 15.

While I don't think you should be forced to work with Cerberus, just not having them at all would be pretty ridiculous.

Actually I don't really care about femShep being on the box or not, but I thought just a black box with the Mass Effect 3 title on it and maybe a reaper would look the best.

Tali's face being shown or not is pretty much arguable either way: hell I change my opinion on it a lot so for now I'd say just not show it.

What's with the hate for an Elcor teammate? I think having a sarcastic badass Elcor on your squad would be hilarious: think Han Solo... but as an Elcor. It might not be feasible though.

Although I'd LOVE for all or almost all of your squad to return, I don't see Wrex coming back as he is already set to lead the krogan into battle with you, so he not returning to your squad would be understandable. He definitely needs to be in more then one scene though.


And actually I didn't mind the romances in ME2: I thought Jack's, Tali's, and Thane's were somewhat deep whereas Miranda's, Jacob's, and Garrus's were all pretty shallow.  Hit or miss... but that was the same with the first game too: Ashley had a good romance, but Liara's felt forced and emotionless to me, and although I never tried it I can't see Kaidan's being any good since he has the personality of a mop.

Modifié par nevar00, 17 février 2011 - 02:26 .

[Jebel Krong]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

Liara can die in LotSB?

No, but... well... let's just say events in LotSB would seem to strongly indicate that she wouldn't be a squaddie again in ME3.

I'm sure, anyone who seriously thinks so is in for a big surprize in ME3. Liara is an asset BioWare simply won't be able to pass up, as far as the "returning squaddies" are concerned.

hahaha lol. oh, wait - you were serious?! 

[Ghost Warrior]

Machines Are Us wrote...

I agree with all except 9, 13, 14 and 15.

9 -I don't like Cerberus, but they should have some role to play.
13 - I like Elcor but we don't need one on our team. Maybe one can be the new weapons seller like in ME1.
14- Jennifer Hale rocks, but I disagree with the general point made: "Unless you want to have lips thicker than your wrists and talk like a sportscaster, you play as a female Commander Shepard in Mass Effect." Or how about you are a guy who wants to play as "You"? They should either have both Shepard's on the box or neither.
15 - Do I really need to explain why...

I completely agree with you

[Gleym]

Jebel Krong wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

Liara can die in LotSB?

No, but... well... let's just say events in LotSB would seem to strongly indicate that she wouldn't be a squaddie again in ME3.

I'm sure, anyone who seriously thinks so is in for a big surprize in ME3. Liara is an asset BioWare simply won't be able to pass up, as far as the "returning squaddies" are concerned.

hahaha lol. oh, wait - you were serious?! 

Seriously. Out of all the different 'factions' and stances regarding squadmates, RPG-or-not-RPG, mechanics, Paragon/Renegade partiality.. I think everyone who's played LotSB can concur that the likelihood of Liara's return is pretty much non-existant in terms of a squaddie.

[Zulu_DFA]

Gleym wrote...

Jebel Krong wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

Bann Duncan wrote...

Liara can die in LotSB?

No, but... well... let's just say events in LotSB would seem to strongly indicate that she wouldn't be a squaddie again in ME3.

I'm sure, anyone who seriously thinks so is in for a big surprize in ME3. Liara is an asset BioWare simply won't be able to pass up, as far as the "returning squaddies" are concerned.

hahaha lol. oh, wait - you were serious?! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/andy.png[/smilie]

Seriously. Out of all the different 'factions' and stances regarding squadmates, RPG-or-not-RPG, mechanics, Paragon/Renegade partiality.. I think everyone who's played LotSB can concur that the likelihood of Liara's return is pretty much non-existant in terms of a squaddie.

I believe we're having a misunderstanding here. I say, Liara is going to be a full-time companion in ME3, and one of the first to be acquired as the story unfolds, with probability of 100%.

[Gleym]

No misunderstanding. I was agreeing with Jebel - there's no way that Liara is gonna be a companion because of the events of LotSB.

[CannotCompute]

Wizz wrote...

Meh. I've seen many wishlists and many of them are better than this one.

Indeed. IGN's wishlist, f.e., is an excellent one. Pretty much agree with everything in there.

uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/113/1138506p1.html

[padaE]

Greater selection of weapons.

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This is like the worst thing to be said. I mean, ME had 4 weapons. AR, Pistol, Shotgun and SR. That's it. You had a lot of variations that changed absolotely nothing. The weapon worked the same.

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ME2 has one of the best weapon arsenal in gaming. Pretty much every weapon you want you have if you consider all DLCs.

[Zulu_DFA]

Gleym wrote...

No misunderstanding. I was agreeing with Jebel - there's no way that Liara is gonna be a companion because of the events of LotSB.

Ah. Then get ready for a surprize!

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Ah. Then get ready for a surprize!

"Surprise."

Alas, you glorious fanboy, you.

Anyway, good list.  I don't disagree vehemently with anything on it, apart from liking the class-specific abilities as they are.  Poor engies get no love.  And lulz at the elcor.

[Bio Addict]

He makes a few good points but he lost me after suggesting that all LI's should be bisexual. I don't trust advice that comes from hippies.

[element eater]

wow that's an impressive article only a few minor points to really dispute for example I think naming liara the least interesting character is just out and out wrong, i wouldnt realy care for an elcor squad mate and the person on the cover doesnt bother me in the slightest as ill almost certainly never use a default Shepard regardless of gender .



besides that I pretty much completely agree particularly the old friends issue, hopefully they will take some of these issues on board with ME3

[Daewan]

Shallow, poorly written, shoddily researched. I feel such agony knowing that someone got paid for that piece of crap.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

I actually feel that in a few of their points, PC Gamer didn't know what they were talking about... The ones that stand out the most for me right now are that Adrenaline Rush is weak and the Combat Drone is useless... I just have to shake my head at that.