I can't post in the other forums, i don't know why so i'll ask it here.
Awhile ago i bought DAO for my Xbox 360 and i tried to play it, i finished a few quests but i never could really get into the combat system. I am used to games like Oblivion,Fallout 3,Two Worlds II, Gothic, etc, i never really played RPGs where you need to take care of party members as well, so this is all very new to me.
When i started playing it, i was a elven warrior, and even though i finished several quests, i had a very hard time doing so, and i died ALOT during combat. I put the game away for like a year maybe and recently picked it up again, only to find out that i kept dying again and i simply didn't understand why i died all the time. It was then that i decided to start over again but this time as a mage and its going quite good so far. But then again..i put the difficulty to casual, which is basically easy in any other game and i never do that, but for DAO i found it nessecary.
Basically what i need is some help/advice. I'll tell what my party members are and then i hope people here can tell me what strategies and tactics and powers are good to use.
So i am a level 12 mage, i use Cone of cold + Stonefist alot, its a nice start for a battle i find. I always use Bloody grasp alot, for enemies in the distance i use either Tempest,Fireball, Inferno.I use Shock and Lightning too.
Currently i am in Orzammar. My party at this moment is...
Leliana ( Green blade, Splintmail armor,leather boots,Splintmail gloves,Studded helmet)
Morrigan ( Morrigan's Magic staff,Morrigan's robes)
Zevran (Whitewood bow, all leather clothing...basically)
Not in my current party but also available are...
Dog
Sten
Alistair
What i notice is that Leliane dies alot, maybe i have given her the wrong talents and wrong weapons..i have no idea. Basically i need some info/advice on what talents i should choose for my members and what do i do in terms of tactics? Should i leave it at default or change it? Like i said..i am not used to games where i have to pay attention to other party members, the RPGs i know..that's just solo. So yeah..basically..what strategies are recommended for all my members during combat?
Help would be greatly apreciated.
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 04:30
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RPGs that focus on group combat, like DAO, rely on what they call "The Holy Trinity".
By looking at your group I see you lack one key component to that trinity. A "tank".
Tanks are characters that can take a beating because of their higher hitpoint count and generally have some sort of spell of ability that draws enemies to them.
Your maincharacter mage and Morrigan are squishy. They can't take beatings. Leilana and Zevran are rogues so are a little bit tougher than the two mages but again they don't stand a chance very long one on one. They are best when the enemy is preoccupied with the "Tank" and they do backstabs behind the enemy.
By looking at your group I see you lack one key component to that trinity. A "tank".
Tanks are characters that can take a beating because of their higher hitpoint count and generally have some sort of spell of ability that draws enemies to them.
Your maincharacter mage and Morrigan are squishy. They can't take beatings. Leilana and Zevran are rogues so are a little bit tougher than the two mages but again they don't stand a chance very long one on one. They are best when the enemy is preoccupied with the "Tank" and they do backstabs behind the enemy.
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 04:42
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Thanks for the reply man, As for the tank, actually for most of the game i've had Alistair in my party , all the quests i had done was with Alistair in the party. But when i went to Orzammar, i don't know..i just decided to choose Zevran. Stupid move indeed...cause now i have two rogues in my party and not a warrior/tank. I'll go change that.
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 06:39
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As for skills, what are recommended skills to choose for my characters?
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 06:41
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get alistair in your party in place of leliana or zevran. i prefer leliana, but that choice is up to you. neither one is really any better or worse.Moonwalker1982 wrote...
I can't post in the other forums, i don't know why so i'll ask it here.
Awhile ago i bought DAO for my Xbox 360 and i tried to play it, i finished a few quests but i never could really get into the combat system. I am used to games like Oblivion,Fallout 3,Two Worlds II, Gothic, etc, i never really played RPGs where you need to take care of party members as well, so this is all very new to me.
When i started playing it, i was a elven warrior, and even though i finished several quests, i had a very hard time doing so, and i died ALOT during combat. I put the game away for like a year maybe and recently picked it up again, only to find out that i kept dying again and i simply didn't understand why i died all the time. It was then that i decided to start over again but this time as a mage and its going quite good so far. But then again..i put the difficulty to casual, which is basically easy in any other game and i never do that, but for DAO i found it nessecary.
Basically what i need is some help/advice. I'll tell what my party members are and then i hope people here can tell me what strategies and tactics and powers are good to use.
So i am a level 12 mage, i use Cone of cold + Stonefist alot, its a nice start for a battle i find. I always use Bloody grasp alot, for enemies in the distance i use either Tempest,Fireball, Inferno.I use Shock and Lightning too.
Currently i am in Orzammar. My party at this moment is...
Leliana ( Green blade, Splintmail armor,leather boots,Splintmail gloves,Studded helmet)
Morrigan ( Morrigan's Magic staff,Morrigan's robes)
Zevran (Whitewood bow, all leather clothing...basically)
Not in my current party but also available are...
Dog
Sten
Alistair
What i notice is that Leliane dies alot, maybe i have given her the wrong talents and wrong weapons..i have no idea. Basically i need some info/advice on what talents i should choose for my members and what do i do in terms of tactics? Should i leave it at default or change it? Like i said..i am not used to games where i have to pay attention to other party members, the RPGs i know..that's just solo. So yeah..basically..what strategies are recommended for all my members during combat?
Help would be greatly apreciated.
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 07:01
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Rogues can be deadly, but they are rather more difficult to use effectively. A dual-wielder rogue loaded with daggers should be attacking from behind while enemies are frozen/distracted/hitting on the tank, which is not something the AI really understands, so you have to really keep an eye on them. I also notice you made Zevran an archer, and Leliana a melee rogue - with a sword. Probably not the best setup. They are each better suited to the other role. And I'd make the melee rogue use daggers (they're faster). If rogues seem too fiddly, then drop Zevran, and let Leliana sit at the back of your party firing off arrows. She'll turn into quite the little asset eventually.
Other top tips - make sure both you and Morrigan have Heal. One of the best spells in the game - a 1st level spell that'll pay for itself a hundred times over. With two mages with it you should be able to keep a heavy warrior character alive for long enough to do some decent damage. And don't wait until their health drops low either - start throwing out those heals as soon as your warrior's health hits about 75%. That way it gives you plenty of time to recharge the spell to throw out another.
On that note, I definitely agree you need a tank. Alistair is tougher, but Sten hits harder, so even though he's more fragile, with two mages keeping him alive I'd actually recommend Sten.
Finally, don't feel bad about finding the game tough. It is. It definitely favours a min/max system where people pump certain attributes pretty much exclusively (magic for a mage, strength for a two-handed warrior, dexterity for a tank, etc). The game may actually get easier as it goes along - I certainly find the first half easier than the second, because your characters have not built up the experience points to really excel in anything. Also, how many treaty missions have you done, because Orzammar should really be one of the last ones. I'd say it's definitely the hardest. I'd say do Redcliffe and the Mage's Tower first and end with Orzammar.
Other top tips - make sure both you and Morrigan have Heal. One of the best spells in the game - a 1st level spell that'll pay for itself a hundred times over. With two mages with it you should be able to keep a heavy warrior character alive for long enough to do some decent damage. And don't wait until their health drops low either - start throwing out those heals as soon as your warrior's health hits about 75%. That way it gives you plenty of time to recharge the spell to throw out another.
On that note, I definitely agree you need a tank. Alistair is tougher, but Sten hits harder, so even though he's more fragile, with two mages keeping him alive I'd actually recommend Sten.
Finally, don't feel bad about finding the game tough. It is. It definitely favours a min/max system where people pump certain attributes pretty much exclusively (magic for a mage, strength for a two-handed warrior, dexterity for a tank, etc). The game may actually get easier as it goes along - I certainly find the first half easier than the second, because your characters have not built up the experience points to really excel in anything. Also, how many treaty missions have you done, because Orzammar should really be one of the last ones. I'd say it's definitely the hardest. I'd say do Redcliffe and the Mage's Tower first and end with Orzammar.
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 07:06
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Skills aren't really too critical. Give your warden coercion, because he/she is the only person who can get it, and give all your characters combat training so they can unlock the high tier talents, but nothing else is too critical. Traps, poisons and grenades can be useful in certain situations, but I think most people just buy the ones they want (if any) and sell the ingredients they find as vendor trash. And they're certainly not essential - I've done several playthroughs without using them at all. So feel free to pick whichever you like/what fits in with your roleplaying.
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 07:56
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As for not being able to post in the other forums, you'll need to register your game. And now on you to your questions:
Do you also play shooter games, like Call of Duty ? If so, you'll need to think like a general (and fight like a fereldan
). And what does this mean? It means that you'll need to pause the game a lot, even on casual. Then you'll need to tell your comrades what to do. I'm not sure if you can pause the game and do this in the xbox version of the game What I normally do, is to have Zevran take all 4 levels of stealth, the have him (or Leliana) move along when hidden. Then when I'm spotting the enemy, I'll have Morrigan fire a fireball at them or a cone of cold. Since you're playing as a mage, your strategy is quite good. Tempest, Inferno, Fireball and Stonefist are the spells, I also
use(d).
Leliana is a rogue, so try to keep her of the combat, but have her positioned so she can shoot arrows with her bow. This generally means that Leli needs to be position a little back further back than say one of your mages. Remember that arrows in DA: Origins are free; special arrows, you'll have to pay for, not the normal ones. As for her 'dying', she's not 'dying'. She's probably only unconscious. When the combat ends, she'll get up. And then she'll have injuries. You can heal these by going to camp or by using injuyry kits. (you can buy injury kits or make these yourself) I've noticed that characters that have injuries dies a lot, it seems...
Remember to make use of your companions good sides: Zevran is master with dual weapons. Having him hide in shadows (stealth), moving silently to the mage or the boss and then doing a backstab is a very good idea. Zevran has some very nice abilities that you can use - such as momentum, and a skill where he can strike 2-3 times in a row and other skills which are very effective. You do know that you can change your party by going either to camp or at certain places in the game?
And yes, you do need a tank in your party. Like others have said, it is the character that has to take the beating. And Alistair is a really good tank, he has shield bash ability, too, that is really nice. If you do one or two sidequests in the Brecilian forest, you can get a better staff for Morrigan. Remember to pick up everything on your enemies, and sell the items you find. And then remember to put items on your characters like rings, belts and the like to help them improve their armor. Also, remember that you can buy better armor and weapons at stores.
As for dying on casual, don't worry. I also died a lot playing on casual, and I have played these games (tactical rpgs) for more than 10 years.. Also, level 12 is a bit too low a level for Orzammer. Did you visit the Circle Tower yet? And did you let Wynne into your party. Wynne has some very nice party healing spells. Normally, you'd do Lothering, then all the quests and then Orzammer last. Remember also do some (or all of the) side quests, you'll get experience points and level up.
Morrigan has a herbalism skill, remember to put this to use. Make elfroot potions, (healing potions), pause the game and drink them, (your characters, of course ). You'll also need to make stamina potions. (unless that only is in Awakenings, you can do this?) Remember also to have all of your character. And please take Dog along, please. He will be able to help you out a bit. And some items you'll only find, if you let Dog search after them , Dog's overwhelm ability (when he gets it) have saved my ---- ahem - behind many times...
Do you also play shooter games, like Call of Duty ? If so, you'll need to think like a general (and fight like a fereldan
). And what does this mean? It means that you'll need to pause the game a lot, even on casual. Then you'll need to tell your comrades what to do. I'm not sure if you can pause the game and do this in the xbox version of the game What I normally do, is to have Zevran take all 4 levels of stealth, the have him (or Leliana) move along when hidden. Then when I'm spotting the enemy, I'll have Morrigan fire a fireball at them or a cone of cold. Since you're playing as a mage, your strategy is quite good. Tempest, Inferno, Fireball and Stonefist are the spells, I alsouse(d).
Leliana is a rogue, so try to keep her of the combat, but have her positioned so she can shoot arrows with her bow. This generally means that Leli needs to be position a little back further back than say one of your mages. Remember that arrows in DA: Origins are free; special arrows, you'll have to pay for, not the normal ones. As for her 'dying', she's not 'dying'. She's probably only unconscious. When the combat ends, she'll get up. And then she'll have injuries. You can heal these by going to camp or by using injuyry kits. (you can buy injury kits or make these yourself) I've noticed that characters that have injuries dies a lot, it seems...
Remember to make use of your companions good sides: Zevran is master with dual weapons. Having him hide in shadows (stealth), moving silently to the mage or the boss and then doing a backstab is a very good idea. Zevran has some very nice abilities that you can use - such as momentum, and a skill where he can strike 2-3 times in a row and other skills which are very effective. You do know that you can change your party by going either to camp or at certain places in the game?
And yes, you do need a tank in your party. Like others have said, it is the character that has to take the beating. And Alistair is a really good tank, he has shield bash ability, too, that is really nice. If you do one or two sidequests in the Brecilian forest, you can get a better staff for Morrigan. Remember to pick up everything on your enemies, and sell the items you find. And then remember to put items on your characters like rings, belts and the like to help them improve their armor. Also, remember that you can buy better armor and weapons at stores.
As for dying on casual, don't worry. I also died a lot playing on casual, and I have played these games (tactical rpgs) for more than 10 years.. Also, level 12 is a bit too low a level for Orzammer. Did you visit the Circle Tower yet? And did you let Wynne into your party. Wynne has some very nice party healing spells. Normally, you'd do Lothering, then all the quests and then Orzammer last. Remember also do some (or all of the) side quests, you'll get experience points and level up.
Morrigan has a herbalism skill, remember to put this to use. Make elfroot potions, (healing potions), pause the game and drink them, (your characters, of course
). You'll also need to make stamina potions. (unless that only is in Awakenings, you can do this?) Remember also to have all of your character. And please take Dog along, please. He will be able to help you out a bit. And some items you'll only find, if you let Dog search after them , Dog's overwhelm ability (when he gets it) have saved my ---- ahem - behind many times...
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 08:03
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I noticed that Morrigan nor me have Heal spells yet, so i'm gonna be choosing that asap. As for now, i changed all the tactics of the characters and number one is...'Use health poultice;least powerful'
As for tactics>behaviour, i have all the mages set to ranged, leliana and Zevran too. And i will put Alistair or Sten to Defensive....sounds ok, right?
As for tactics>behaviour, i have all the mages set to ranged, leliana and Zevran too. And i will put Alistair or Sten to Defensive....sounds ok, right?
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 10:25
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Ranged weapons should be OK for mages and Leliana. And probably for Zevran, too. And a defensive tactic for Alistair and Sten should be OK, too, I think. You'll probably need to experiment a bit with Zevran's tactics as Zevran is really effective when hidden, and when backstabbing frozen (cone of cold) characters.
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Posté 17 février 2011 - 11:18
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I'm planning on removing Zevran from the party and simply having Leliana , Alistair and Morrigan in my party. Gonna give Morrigan the heal talent asap. I'll let Leliana attack from a distance with the bow and have her tactics set to ranged. I'll give Alistair a shield and strong sword and put his tactic to defend or agressive. I could use Sten too, but Alistair has a higher level here.
As for when i want Zevran in my party again, i really need some good daggers first, cause the daggers i got now only do 5 damage, while my swords do 12 damage.
Aries1001, yep the Xbox 360 version lets you pause the game as well. It just doesn't have the top down view the PC version has. I'm gonna head out of Orzammar and do some sidequests, i got alot of those to do.Where can i find Wynne? But basically i should do alot of these things manually or automatically? I mean...pausing the game now and then is ok, but i'm not gonna be able to do that all the time, its gonna drive me crazy ,lol. So it would be good if my team can do alot of this stuff automatically. I guess that's what the tactics screen is for. After all i got several slots.
Oooh and... How important is fatigue by the way? My mage's fatigue is 10.5 (red), Leliana 9.2%.
How important is fatigue by the way? My mage's fatigue is 10.5 (red), Leliana 9.2%.
As for when i want Zevran in my party again, i really need some good daggers first, cause the daggers i got now only do 5 damage, while my swords do 12 damage.
Aries1001, yep the Xbox 360 version lets you pause the game as well. It just doesn't have the top down view the PC version has. I'm gonna head out of Orzammar and do some sidequests, i got alot of those to do.Where can i find Wynne? But basically i should do alot of these things manually or automatically? I mean...pausing the game now and then is ok, but i'm not gonna be able to do that all the time, its gonna drive me crazy ,lol. So it would be good if my team can do alot of this stuff automatically. I guess that's what the tactics screen is for. After all i got several slots.
Oooh and... How important is fatigue by the way? My mage's fatigue is 10.5 (red), Leliana 9.2%.
How important is fatigue by the way? My mage's fatigue is 10.5 (red), Leliana 9.2%.
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Posté 18 février 2011 - 01:33
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Large fatigue will eat up your mana/ stamina faster, not a major issue for Leliana but can be a problem for your mages i.e. 10% fatigue = all spells cost 10% more to cast. It is worth saying that most armour sets (having all of the one type; light leather, chain-mail, ancient armour etc) will give a bonus to fatigue.
You can set the game to auto-pause at the start of combat.
Wynne is in the circle tower... warning Morrigan and Wynne don't see eye to eye about anything!
IMO Morrigan makes the best tank in the game (advanced) while Alistair can hold his own against the normal rif-wrath but has issues with dragons/ hive mothers because of special attacks like Grab.
You can set the game to auto-pause at the start of combat.
Wynne is in the circle tower... warning Morrigan and Wynne don't see eye to eye about anything!
IMO Morrigan makes the best tank in the game (advanced) while Alistair can hold his own against the normal rif-wrath but has issues with dragons/ hive mothers because of special attacks like Grab.
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Posté 18 février 2011 - 02:49
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If you do use Leliana as a dual-wielding backstabber, make sure she is not getting hit. If you are using Alistar as a tank, make sure you make him use taunt. Make sure he is also using shield wall or shield defense when he has high dexterity. Position Leliana behind the enemy so she can get critical hits. If you prefer her using a bow, that is not a bad idea either. Also, try looking at the builds for the classes. That topic should be sticked somewhere in this forum. It will help you choose the best specializations, talents, and allocation of your stats. Zevhran isn't bad, but most people don't use him because he is like a clone of Leliana I guess. I didn't mind using him. Get the heal asap.
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Posté 18 février 2011 - 08:15
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As a mage you will also want to invest in the Glyph line of spells to at least 3 and some of the Hex line of spells. Casting the first hex on an enemy makes them take much more damage from your elemental spells shortening the battle. The Glyph paralysis will hold an enemy in place and as a side benefit if you cast a repulsion glyph either on it or on a paralyzed enemy it will explode and paralyze a huge area(friendly fire possible). This combo makes a great start to battles if you want to keep them at range, ie drop a paralyze explosion, then elemental storm such as blizzard, Lightning storm or inferno and greatly harm the enemies before the battle really gets going. Just make sure you don't catch your guys in it.
Also the sleep, horror, and waking nightmare combos are good for fights as well. These will take enemies out of the battle making it easier for your team to survive.
Since you want to run multiple mages you don't have to get them all yourself, you can mix and match to get the best effect.
Also note, as you figure out the game it will get easier. I too had to start on Casual and have now moved back to normal and am even considering moving up a level since I have more experience with the game.
Also the sleep, horror, and waking nightmare combos are good for fights as well. These will take enemies out of the battle making it easier for your team to survive.
Since you want to run multiple mages you don't have to get them all yourself, you can mix and match to get the best effect.
Also note, as you figure out the game it will get easier. I too had to start on Casual and have now moved back to normal and am even considering moving up a level since I have more experience with the game.
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Posté 18 février 2011 - 07:23
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Zevran's daggers are at their best when they deal dual damage and from behind, or from the side. Just freeze people with cone of cold, then have Zevran move in and do a some - or a lot of - damage. Zevran's dual wielding abilities are a great help here. Just remember to read them carefully. Zevran and all other characters should get the combat training ability maxed out as soon as possible.
If you don't want to pause the game, and issue commands, you can certainly use the tactics slot. However, sometimes, you'll need your characters to do something else than what the tactics tell them to do. Then you pause the game...
Alistair's higher level could be a good ideai to use, however Sten really packs a nice punch. And you'll want Sten in your party. At least untill you have talked to him, and got on his good side. He then needs you to find a certain -ahem- item... Also, you did remember to re-download or activate the Stone Prisoner? That's one of the most moving and best quests I've seen in a video game - like ever..
As for Wynne she is in the Circle Tower, but remember to go Lothering Castle first with Alistair in your party. And Wynne will need to be a member of your party here, so just leave Morrigan behind at camp.
Make sure Alistair has shield bash as an ability; this helps to push enemies out of the way, for instance when a mage is surrounded by enemies. And don't forget to buy or make injury kits.
Fatique is fairly important. Low fatigue will make move faster, while higher fatique will make you slower. Zevran should have as little fatigue as possible, while Alistair and Sten can have up to 25% fatigue. Mages can wear armour, too, if they have the strength requirement. They just move slower, because of the higher fatigue.
Leli's dying can also be because she doesn't have a constition of say 18 or 20 or higher. I've often found that characters need to have a constitution about 20, or over, before they're protected. More constiution means more Hit Points. Have also a look at your armour and defense rating. I think? that defense ratings are more important than armour rating in Dragon Age: Origins, but I haven't really seen any on it. Maybe someone could help here?
A spell for you mage(s) like repulsion is a good idea. There's a spell that makes it so that that the enemies can't heal themselves. Very nice to cast....
If you don't want to pause the game, and issue commands, you can certainly use the tactics slot. However, sometimes, you'll need your characters to do something else than what the tactics tell them to do. Then you pause the game...
Alistair's higher level could be a good ideai to use, however Sten really packs a nice punch. And you'll want Sten in your party. At least untill you have talked to him, and got on his good side. He then needs you to find a certain -ahem- item... Also, you did remember to re-download or activate the Stone Prisoner? That's one of the most moving and best quests I've seen in a video game - like ever..
As for Wynne she is in the Circle Tower, but remember to go Lothering Castle first with Alistair in your party. And Wynne will need to be a member of your party here, so just leave Morrigan behind at camp.
Make sure Alistair has shield bash as an ability; this helps to push enemies out of the way, for instance when a mage is surrounded by enemies. And don't forget to buy or make injury kits.
Fatique is fairly important. Low fatigue will make move faster, while higher fatique will make you slower. Zevran should have as little fatigue as possible, while Alistair and Sten can have up to 25% fatigue. Mages can wear armour, too, if they have the strength requirement. They just move slower, because of the higher fatigue.
Leli's dying can also be because she doesn't have a constition of say 18 or 20 or higher. I've often found that characters need to have a constitution about 20, or over, before they're protected. More constiution means more Hit Points. Have also a look at your armour and defense rating. I think? that defense ratings are more important than armour rating in Dragon Age: Origins, but I haven't really seen any on it. Maybe someone could help here?
A spell for you mage(s) like repulsion is a good idea. There's a spell that makes it so that that the enemies can't heal themselves. Very nice to cast....
