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[happyhappy238]

its over for fair play now bioware either needs to alter the numbers again or spammers need to get active again.

Modifié par happyhappy238, 28 février 2011 - 04:00 .

[antiherocf]

hakwea wrote...

Personally I think they are going about this all wrong for promotional items.

A) They shouldn't have taken downloads away. Its a promotional item and it only makes it seemed rigged and ends up giving bad vibes in the end.
Its confusing requiring both downloads and log ins, and the * fine print only states downloads rather then both download and login. "The Demo must be downloaded by 1 million users across the Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC for the items to become available." It would have been far better to require you to log in to first download it to meet the goal of padding the account numbers.
C) They should give the items to all who download the demo, and only unlock them for EVERYONE if the 1 million downloads and login's is met. That way no one feels cheated. Those that helped to make the goal get it, those that didn't can't be upset since they didn't make an effort towards it.

The whole thing just seems poorly planned and thought out, and given the slow increase from the 850,000 thousand mark the goal might not be met. So the issues with the promotion seem to just cause a festering wound.

I disagree with "A" in a sense. I do not think that spammers' counts should have been recognized but I had a problem with how they did the take aways. First they let the counter get all the way to ~760k and then roll in back by over 200k . Then they actually let the counter go past a million which imo was such a big mistake not only in hindsight. If they truly have a way to count the legit dls for the promo then imo they should have been updating the counter that the gamers have been following. Waiting 2-3 days before the first roll back was not a good move and then daily was better but they waited so long for the second roll back and actually let the counter pass the mark/goal was not a smart decision on their part from my p.o.v.

They were slow to act for the first spammer surge then that may be forgivable but then they obviously could have prevented the second spammer surge from artifically upping the counter pass the million.

I agree with "B" in the sense that is one aspect of the promotion that seemed poorly planned out/executed.

As for "C" as I've stated I'd rather have a chance to legitamtely reach the goal by extending the promotion a few days but tbh I'd like to have the 2 items as a thank you for the overwhelming effort we have shown.

The items are not a part of the regular DA 2 copy so what are they coing to do?

Just not give us the items ever, imo that would be a waste.

Release it for purchase on live/PSN? Now as I've stated I'm interested in the tomes beyond just the exp and gold boosts but unless they are made as part of a future DLC pack I'd pass on it tbqh.

Now let's look at it another way BW gets all this hype and publicity for their product and I'm guessing thousands of new EA accounts and what do the millions of gamers get besides the demo?

Nothing. Yes I'm ignoring the Hayder's razor for the sake of this discussion.

If people are fine with that then fine but I, for one, will feel cheated and I won't blame it all on the spammers, they weren't the only ones that cheated the legit. dlers imo.

Edit: Btw the deadline was so inconsiderate to xbox live silver accounts and really wasn't a good idea if BW really cared about getting enough to answer the "Call to Arms". Luckily I have a gold account.

Modifié par antiherocf, 28 février 2011 - 04:04 .

[hakwea]

Zepheera wrote...
I stand corrected, it's not in the fine print.  But as you said, it IS stated on the same page that you have to log in to be counted.

They  Legally can't use that though since their offer disclosure didn't state that is a requirement. They can say you are required to log in on the promotional page, but they are legally bound to the offer defined in the fine print. Since the reason for providing that fine print was to inform users of the legal requirements for the offer.

It is a standard tactic all the time in promotions, requiring you to sign up or buy the product for a chance to win. But the fine print states no purchase nessacary. And it is the fine print, not the marketting employed that legally binds the offers.

[happyhappy238]

hakwea wrote...

Zepheera wrote...
I stand corrected, it's not in the fine print.  But as you said, it IS stated on the same page that you have to log in to be counted.

They  Legally can't use that though since their offer disclosure didn't state that is a requirement. They can say you are required to log in on the promotional page, but they are legally bound to the offer defined in the fine print. Since the reason for providing that fine print was to inform users of the legal requirements for the offer.

It is a standard tactic all the time in promotions, requiring you to sign up or buy the product for a chance to win. But the fine print states no purchase nessacary. And it is the fine print, not the marketting employed that legally binds the offers.

  that is a legal and valid point but sadly how can we cant make them enforce that sadly i doubt they will do it for the asking

[antiherocf]

happyhappy238 wrote...

hakwea wrote...

Zepheera wrote...
I stand corrected, it's not in the fine print.  But as you said, it IS stated on the same page that you have to log in to be counted.

They  Legally can't use that though since their offer disclosure didn't state that is a requirement. They can say you are required to log in on the promotional page, but they are legally bound to the offer defined in the fine print. Since the reason for providing that fine print was to inform users of the legal requirements for the offer.

It is a standard tactic all the time in promotions, requiring you to sign up or buy the product for a chance to win. But the fine print states no purchase nessacary. And it is the fine print, not the marketting employed that legally binds the offers.

  that is a legal and valid point but sadly how can we cant make them enforce that sadly i doubt they will do it for the asking

Their are legal remedies for such a situation.....

[hakwea]

antiherocf wrote...
Now as I've stated I'm
interested in the tomes beyond just the exp and gold boosts but unless
they are made as part of a future DLC pack I'd pass on it tbqh.

Why? that is all they are good for. They are nothing more then items that grant experince and gold. They aren't actually books that contain a story or anything to them. It is just like http://dragonage.wik...e_Frozen_Wastes from the collectors edition of DA.

[Darth Payne]

During my current playthrough of DA1 i just ran into the Meteor Ore event.

I wonder if there will be any mention of that in DA2? (Such as the meteor ore. The weapon created from it. Or the child and his parents)

Or Perhaps Hawke runs into 'Super-Boy'?

[antiherocf]

hakwea wrote...

antiherocf wrote...
Now as I've stated I'm
interested in the tomes beyond just the exp and gold boosts but unless
they are made as part of a future DLC pack I'd pass on it tbqh.

Why? that is all they are good for. They are nothing more then items that grant experince and gold. They aren't actually books that contain a story or anything to them. It is just like http://dragonage.wik...e_Frozen_Wastes from the collectors edition of DA.

Really?

I was under the impression that they will also grant codex entries. They were actually referenced in the promotion as books not tomes.

I would think that they would call it tome of something if they were only for stat boosts.

Sorry I referred to them wrong before when I said tomes.

[happyhappy238]

antiherocf wrote...

happyhappy238 wrote...

hakwea wrote...

Zepheera wrote...
I stand corrected, it's not in the fine print.  But as you said, it IS stated on the same page that you have to log in to be counted.

They  Legally can't use that though since their offer disclosure didn't state that is a requirement. They can say you are required to log in on the promotional page, but they are legally bound to the offer defined in the fine print. Since the reason for providing that fine print was to inform users of the legal requirements for the offer.

It is a standard tactic all the time in promotions, requiring you to sign up or buy the product for a chance to win. But the fine print states no purchase nessacary. And it is the fine print, not the marketting employed that legally binds the offers.

  that is a legal and valid point but sadly how can we cant make them enforce that sadly i doubt they will do it for the asking

Their are legal remedies for such a situation.....

nobody is actually going to spend all the money and take the time to go to court for this dlc. the only way we can realisticly force them to do it is to just get a bunch of angry fans to bring it up

[antiherocf]

Darth Payne wrote...

During my current playthrough of DA1 i just ran into the Meteor Ore event.

I wonder if there will be any mention of that in DA2? (Such as the meteor ore. The weapon created from it. Or the child and his parents)

Or Perhaps Hawke runs into 'Super-Boy'?

I would love to run into another meteor event in DA 2 but it would be hard finding a smith that can use it. The child thing was random and reminded me of Kal-el tbh.

Also in my mind vigilance>starfang.

[antiherocf]

happyhappy238 wrote...

antiherocf wrote...

happyhappy238 wrote...

hakwea wrote...

Zepheera wrote...
I stand corrected, it's not in the fine print.  But as you said, it IS stated on the same page that you have to log in to be counted.

They  Legally can't use that though since their offer disclosure didn't state that is a requirement. They can say you are required to log in on the promotional page, but they are legally bound to the offer defined in the fine print. Since the reason for providing that fine print was to inform users of the legal requirements for the offer.

It is a standard tactic all the time in promotions, requiring you to sign up or buy the product for a chance to win. But the fine print states no purchase nessacary. And it is the fine print, not the marketting employed that legally binds the offers.

  that is a legal and valid point but sadly how can we cant make them enforce that sadly i doubt they will do it for the asking

Their are legal remedies for such a situation.....

nobody is actually going to spend all the money and take the time to go to court for this dlc. the only way we can realisticly force them to do it is to just get a bunch of angry fans to bring it up

Yeah I know I'm not willing to commit to that but I wouldn't be surprised if someone else would. Maybe just the threat of it would accomplish something.

Anyways they definitely will have angry fans if this situation goes even more awry. I can guarantee it.

They might not care but still.

Edit:To the person that at least they will learn a lesson about promotions well that's true.

Speaking for myself it doesn't feel good being part of the failed attempt tbh.

Modifié par antiherocf, 28 février 2011 - 04:56 .

[Zepheera]

Just putting this out there, the second number increase happened several hours before BioWare employees would have been in for the day. The second rollback occurred within an hour or so of them starting their work day.

[happyhappy238]

i hope bioware is reading this and sees that not 1 postive thing has been said about anything they have done since this has started. things just went from good to bad to worse. plus the the whole fine print not mentioning accounts. this thing was poorly put together and executed worse. i had never had any doubts about bioware before this event. im still a hard core fan but i guess thats what makes this so hard to sollow. but that just my opinion.

[antiherocf]

Zepheera wrote...

Just putting this out there, the second number increase happened several hours before BioWare employees would have been in for the day. The second rollback occurred within an hour or so of them starting their work day.

If that was the case then that was unfortunate but the fact is they let the counter go well over a million.

Also after being undeniable aware of spammers after the first roll back I think they should have at least monitored the counter afterward before they "called it a day".

The speed at which the counter was going post first rollback was ridiculous. It went from less than 600 k to double that ~ 1.2 million iirc. Even if they weren't therewhen it actually went over a million my logic dictates that they would at watch the counter for another hour to see the rate of increase which again was more than before the first roll back. It took ~3 days to near 800 k before the roll back then the counter number doubled in less than 2 days I mean come on.

The rate should have at least alerted them imo.

In the case that they never or seldom paid attention to our counter then I have to say that's just another poorly planned/executed part of this promotion.

That's just my opinion.

[Zepheera]

Both times the number jump happened in the space of 2-3 hours. The second time, I saw it at about 750, then came back and checked it about 3 hours later and it was almost at 1.2 mill. That was about 7am my time, and that would have been 6am in Edmonton.

With my job, my days and nights are switched, so I tend to be around at odd hours for most North Americans.

Modifié par Zepheera, 28 février 2011 - 05:34 .

[HBC Dresden]

happyhappy238 wrote...

i hope bioware is reading this and sees that not 1 postive thing has been said about anything they have done since this has started. things just went from good to bad to worse. plus the the whole fine print not mentioning accounts. this thing was poorly put together and executed worse. i had never had any doubts about bioware before this event. im still a hard core fan but i guess thats what makes this so hard to sollow. but that just my opinion.

Lets not degenerate now. If they just extended it to include March 1st, the silver members will probably pull us through. I think this whole thing was an experiment, so lets not go too nuts. BioWare will learn.

I wonder how the other Dragon Age community hubs are doing and thinking about this event? Anyone been at SomethingAwful forums and looked at the Dragon Age branch/topic? I used to but now it costs money. Forget that crap.

[happyhappy238]

HBC Dresden wrote...

happyhappy238 wrote...

i hope bioware is reading this and sees that not 1 postive thing has been said about anything they have done since this has started. things just went from good to bad to worse. plus the the whole fine print not mentioning accounts. this thing was poorly put together and executed worse. i had never had any doubts about bioware before this event. im still a hard core fan but i guess thats what makes this so hard to sollow. but that just my opinion.

Lets not degenerate now. If they just extended it to include March 1st, the silver members will probably pull us through. I think this whole thing was an experiment, so lets not go too nuts. BioWare will learn.

I wonder how the other Dragon Age community hubs are doing and thinking about this event? Anyone been at SomethingAwful forums and looked at the Dragon Age branch/topic? I used to but now it costs money. Forget that crap.

lets just agree theres alot of things they could have done to make this promo go down better then it has.

[SoleSong]

Let us forget this, we lost it, BioWare and EA lost it big time. In my opinion, the first rollback the subtraction should have been 210000, not 300000. BioWare should have rolled with punch the second time... sloppy work and planning... writing to, and sloppy programming, the counting program wide open for attack.
So let us forgive and forget, life goes on :-)

Modifié par SoleSong, 28 février 2011 - 05:53 .

[Darth Payne]

You know what would really suck?

Being one point short of the 1 million mark.

They'd have to give us the books then though, right?

[antiherocf]

Zepheera wrote...

Both times the number jump happened in the space of 2-3 hours. The second time, I saw it at about 750, then came back and checked it about 3 hours later and it was almost at 1.2 mill. That was about 7am my time, and that would have been 6am in Edmonton.

With my job, my days and nights are switched, so I tend to be around at odd hours for most North Americans.

The rate increased exponentially(exaggeration but still) after the first roll back and I just believe that should have been caught by someone.

*sigh*

It's just frustrating esp. because things look more grim by the hour. If there was no doubt that we were going to get to the goal by deadline then I'd lament over how I was frustrated then just forget about it andenjoy my game on the 8th but that is not the case and my high hopes have all but been dragged down by reality. I realize i might sound unreasonable considering the prizes up for grabs but it just rubs me the wrong way esp. since this is a company that I like.

*shrugs*

[antiherocf]

Darth Payne wrote...

You know what would really suck?

Being one point short of the 1 million mark.

They'd have to give us the books then though, right?

That would be too much for me to handle.

HBC Dresden wrote...

happyhappy238 wrote...

i
hope bioware is reading this and sees that not 1 postive thing has been
said about anything they have done since this has started. things just
went from good to bad to worse. plus the the whole fine print not
mentioning accounts. this thing was poorly put together and executed
worse. i had never had any doubts about bioware before this event. im
still a hard core fan but i guess thats what makes this so hard to
sollow. but that just my opinion.

Lets not degenerate
now. If they just extended it to include March 1st, the silver members
will probably pull us through. I think this whole thing was an
experiment, so lets not go too nuts. BioWare will learn.

I
wonder how the other Dragon Age community hubs are doing and thinking
about this event? Anyone been at SomethingAwful forums and looked at the
Dragon Age branch/topic? I used to but now it costs money. Forget that
crap.

The extension is the best course of action imo if we still can't get 1 million after an extension of1-4 days then I'll drop it.

[Amcope]

HBC Dresden wrote...

happyhappy238 wrote...

i hope bioware is reading this and sees that not 1 postive thing has been said about anything they have done since this has started. things just went from good to bad to worse. plus the the whole fine print not mentioning accounts. this thing was poorly put together and executed worse. i had never had any doubts about bioware before this event. im still a hard core fan but i guess thats what makes this so hard to sollow. but that just my opinion.

Lets not degenerate now. If they just extended it to include March 1st, the silver members will probably pull us through. I think this whole thing was an experiment, so lets not go too nuts. BioWare will learn.

I wonder how the other Dragon Age community hubs are doing and thinking about this event? Anyone been at SomethingAwful forums and looked at the Dragon Age branch/topic? I used to but now it costs money. Forget that crap.

I agree. We shouldn't get too upset over this. Let's just wait and see how it will play out first before wanting to riot about it.
I think Bioware deserves at least that.

[Spectre 117]

So if it only reaches 900000 can we have at least one book?

Modifié par Spectre 117, 28 février 2011 - 06:18 .

[HBC Dresden]

happyhappy238 wrote...

lets just agree theres alot of things they could have done to make this promo go down better then it has.

Yeah, I totally agree and my thought is that this will event mishap will prevent this in the future.

Amcope wrote...

I agree. We shouldn't get too upset over
this. Let's just wait and see how it will play out first before wanting
to riot about it.
I think Bioware deserves at least that.

Yup, BioWare deserves the benefit of the doubt; they have done more good than bad and that's aces in my book. Nobody's perfect. I screw up on a daily basis and I expect no different from someone else. Just as long as they try to correct their mistakes.

antiherocf wrote...

The extension is the best course of action imo if we still can't get 1 million after an extension of1-4 days then I'll drop it.

My thoughts exactly. It just that with the Microsoft/silver member issue and the rollbacks, it doesn't feel like a fair playing field to get 1,000,000 demo downloads. The entire user base needs the oppotunity, so the users themselves can mobilize and meet the call to arms. And we need an assurance those downloads rolled back were entirely from spammed ones and no real downloads deleted by accident. With a fair playing field, we can do the time crunch no problem. Right now, it feels like a political election, where you need to surpass the minimum number of votes to win by a wide margin, otherwise voter fruad will keep you down.

[Daedalius13]

I Downloaded the demo already so Josh stop spam emailing me