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[wizardryforever]

I'd like to throw out an idea that I had in another thread regarding this.

Why don't they just do what Blizzard did with Warcraft 3?  Have multiple different box covers (I ended up with the Orc one), that way people can pick whichever cover they like the most.  Have Sheploo on one, default FemShep on another, a Mass Relay on another, and that cool N7 one on the last.  Four different covers to choose from means that people will see a broader side to the game without having to buy the game first.  A reversible cover is cool, but they'd need to make sure that some of them come with the covers reversed already so that people can see it before buying.  It's wasted marketing otherwise.

[stuboy52]

why not just have both shephards back to back on cover one male one female

[Brohammed]

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

Where does these people get the idea of canon? Seriously derping out.

Hmmmm let me say...in ME3 intro/trailer which was Shepard's gender??? 10 points if you give the right answer

Updated my post. A guess a shadowy figure purposefully made generic in a marketing vid whose purpose is as a recognizable placeholder. Still not even thinnly enough to be considered proof of cannon.

to what concern this discussion that figure was a dude....so marketing/canon Shepard IS a dude....sorry

I love it when responses make their own claim sound invalid.

man are you able to recognize a female from a man???

The point being that there is no cannon. I have a dozen Sheperads, man and woman, some times the council dies, cometimes it lives, somtimes wrex is alive, sometimes he died. Kaidan or Ashley? Differn't depending on the save. The illusive man may or may not have the collector station.

And every time i import one of those saves, that save is cannon for the entire game.

Is the generic male shep iconic and instantly recognizable as Shepered? Yes.

For this reason is it best to have this iconic, generic shepard on all the previews and on the box art? Absolutely.

Is there a specific cannon for mass effect in which this iconic, recognizable Sheperad is the only shepard? Nope.

Kapeesh?

[spacehamsterZH]

This isn't going to happen for all of the reasons already discussed, basically, but I do think Bioware is making a mistake here. The Mass Effect games actually have a lot more elements that could make them attractive to female gamers - there's plenty of examples of female characters in positions of leadership or power, and the ME universe simply takes this for granted, it's not even an issue. Time, effort and creativity has gone into this aspect of the ME universe, and the marketing basically hides it in favor of making the games look appealing to the shooter crowd. It just seems like a strange marketing choice, I think it's perfectly well possible to market both ways at the same time. This isn't "political" or *feminist", and people need to stop being silly - it's a matter of the marketing hiding an aspect of the games that would potentially broaden their appeal, i.e. sell more games. Simple as that.

[MassStorm]

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

Where does these people get the idea of canon? Seriously derping out.

Hmmmm let me say...in ME3 intro/trailer which was Shepard's gender??? 10 points if you give the right answer

Updated my post. A guess a shadowy figure purposefully made generic in a marketing vid whose purpose is as a recognizable placeholder. Still not even thinnly enough to be considered proof of cannon.

to what concern this discussion that figure was a dude....so marketing/canon Shepard IS a dude....sorry

I love it when responses make their own claim sound invalid.

man are you able to recognize a female from a man???

The point being that there is no cannon. I have a dozen Sheperads, man and woman, some times the council dies, cometimes it lives, somtimes wrex is alive, sometimes he died. Kaidan or Ashley? Differn't depending on the save. The illusive man may or may not have the collector station.

And every time i import one of those saves, that save is cannon for the entire game.

Is the generic male shep iconic and instantly recognizable as Shepered? Yes.

For this reason is it best to have this iconic, generic shepard on all the previews and on the box art? Absolutely.

Is there a specific cannon for mass effect in which this iconic, recognizable Sheperad is the only shepard? Nope.

Kapeesh?

Kapeesh????? (what is it?)
Of course in your own game you play as you like...here we were speaking about marketing......
and BTW is canon NOT cannon

Modifié par MassStorm, 18 février 2011 - 07:14 .

[Brohammed]

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

Where does these people get the idea of canon? Seriously derping out.

Hmmmm let me say...in ME3 intro/trailer which was Shepard's gender??? 10 points if you give the right answer

Updated my post. A guess a shadowy figure purposefully made generic in a marketing vid whose purpose is as a recognizable placeholder. Still not even thinnly enough to be considered proof of cannon.

to what concern this discussion that figure was a dude....so marketing/canon Shepard IS a dude....sorry

I love it when responses make their own claim sound invalid.

man are you able to recognize a female from a man???

The point being that there is no cannon. I have a dozen Sheperads, man and woman, some times the council dies, cometimes it lives, somtimes wrex is alive, sometimes he died. Kaidan or Ashley? Differn't depending on the save. The illusive man may or may not have the collector station.

And every time i import one of those saves, that save is cannon for the entire game.

Is the generic male shep iconic and instantly recognizable as Shepered? Yes.

For this reason is it best to have this iconic, generic shepard on all the previews and on the box art? Absolutely.

Is there a specific cannon for mass effect in which this iconic, recognizable Sheperad is the only shepard? Nope.

Kapeesh?

Kapeesh?????
Of course in your own game you play as you like...here we were speaking about marketing......

The orignal post was about cannon.

I also really like the idea of n7 armour or helmeted Shepard, something generic but awesome.

Modifié par Brohammed, 18 février 2011 - 07:15 .

[idoless24]

I support this. Anything to get Femshep on the cover..

[jlb524]

MassStorm wrote...

This critic is fun because i have not demanded to change something that was originally set in a determinate way(DudeShepard) but apparently you want to change it. If ME1 canon-protagonist was a female i certainly would have played the game and continued throughout ME2 and ME3(expecting Femshep on the cover) but this was not the case as "main" Shep was a dude. So you demand to change a marketing aspect at the end of a triology that was set in a determinate way....it's  slightly different..and BTW .i have no problem in playing games with strong female protagonists(examples FF13) if the original concept WAS to have a female hero...as a fan i dislike changes at the end....that's it

You would be right if the "main" DudeShepard was the only Shepard you could play.

Unfortunately, the game ships with a character creator and the option to even play as female...this is the problem with constantly shoving one version down everyone's face when the possibility of multiple versions exist...especially when this marketing version is the bland white space marine dude we've seen countless times before.

I still think the cover should contain no Shepard at all, as the game is supposed to be an RPG that allows you to customize and play your own character, and doesn't make you play the stock white dude like in most other games....so then why show him at all?

[MassStorm]

jlb524 wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

This critic is fun because i have not demanded to change something that was originally set in a determinate way(DudeShepard) but apparently you want to change it. If ME1 canon-protagonist was a female i certainly would have played the game and continued throughout ME2 and ME3(expecting Femshep on the cover) but this was not the case as "main" Shep was a dude. So you demand to change a marketing aspect at the end of a triology that was set in a determinate way....it's  slightly different..and BTW .i have no problem in playing games with strong female protagonists(examples FF13) if the original concept WAS to have a female hero...as a fan i dislike changes at the end....that's it

You would be right if the "main" DudeShepard was the only Shepard you could play.

Unfortunately, the game ships with a character creator and the option to even play as female...this is the problem with constantly shoving one version down everyone's face when the possibility of multiple versions exist...especially when this marketing version is the bland white space marine dude we've seen countless times before.

I still think the cover should contain no Shepard at all, as the game is supposed to be an RPG that allows you to customize and play your own character, and doesn't make you play the stock white dude like in most other games....so then why show him at all?

I fully understand what are you saying so the best solution in no Shepard in the cover at all.

[JKoopman]

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

Where does these people get the idea of canon? Seriously derping out.

Hmmmm let me say...in ME3 intro/trailer which was Shepard's gender??? 10 points if you give the right answer

Updated my post. A guess a shadowy figure purposefully made generic in a marketing vid whose purpose is as a recognizable placeholder. Still not even thinnly enough to be considered proof of cannon.

to what concern this discussion that figure was a dude....so marketing/canon Shepard IS a dude....sorry

You seem to be confusing an iconic Shepard used for marketing purposes with a canon story Shepard. They are not the same. That Mark Vanderloo's is the most recognizable face of Shepard does not mean that he IS Shepard.

Do us all a favor and just stop posting. Even BioWare has stated that there is and will never be a canon Shepard. There's no use arguing the point unless you think you know better than the people who created the game.

[MassStorm]

JKoopman wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

MassStorm wrote...

Brohammed wrote...

Where does these people get the idea of canon? Seriously derping out.

Hmmmm let me say...in ME3 intro/trailer which was Shepard's gender??? 10 points if you give the right answer

Updated my post. A guess a shadowy figure purposefully made generic in a marketing vid whose purpose is as a recognizable placeholder. Still not even thinnly enough to be considered proof of cannon.

to what concern this discussion that figure was a dude....so marketing/canon Shepard IS a dude....sorry

You seem to be confusing an iconic Shepard used for marketing purposes with a canon story Shepard. They are not the same. That Mark Vanderloo's is the most recognizable face of Shepard does not mean that he IS Shepard.

Do us all a favor and just stop posting. Even BioWare has stated that there is and will never be a canon Shepard. There's no use arguing the point unless you think you know better than the people who created the game.

Hey hey i don't think you have the right to say if someone can or cannot post here. I have not offended anyone so i post if i do like so or a moderator tell me differently but not because of you

[NM7]

Nobody is asking for the default male Shepard to be replaced in marketing material. People simple want to see some recognition for femshep. After all playing the game with a female character is just as valid as playing the game with a male character.

A lot of people aren't even aware that you can play the game using a female character. Why? Because the marketing material rarely makes mention of it. Femshep is one of the games features, letting people know about it so they can then make an informed choice is hardly a bad thing. The more people who buy the game, the better for Bioware/EA.

[spacehamsterZH]

jlb524 wrote...
I still think the cover should contain no Shepard at all, as the game is supposed to be an RPG that allows you to customize and play your own character, and doesn't make you play the stock white dude like in most other games....so then why show him at all?

What's really strange to me is that they did this with DA:O, which as far as I know actually outsold ME2, so you'd think the idea would've... you know... occurred to someone.

[Demonhoopa]

I just think both the male and female version should be featured on the cover together like they did with Mercenaries Playground of Destruction. However, they would probably need to make the default Femshep "hotter" with the society we live in.

[ReiSilver]

They should stick with a neutral cover like the ME2 collector's edition. All you see is the N7 logo and it looks great.



Akari Tenshi is right about the fail!Marketing. Unless you actually get on the internet and look it up, if you're browsing through the store you'd have no idea that Mass Effect is an rpg where you can make a custom avatar. I know when it first came out -I- wasn't interested because it looked like just another generic scape-marine shooter for xbox. If they had marketed it as an rpg where not only can you create a custom avatar but that avatar will show up in cutscenes, I would have been MUCH more interested.



(As it was I only bought the game on the new year of 2010 because it was incredibly cheap on steam sale after hearing people gush about the squad characters)

[InvaderErl]

I'm for the idea of a FemShep alternate cover but the issue I see is A. I don't know if there would be enough cost vs. reward to validate it from a business point of view but more importantly B. there is no default FemShep which would necessitate making one - not really a problem but they would obviously need to use a model so that it looks better than a custom FemShep and then we're back into the cost issue.

[Ozzyfan223]

mass effect's face is male Shepard. Has been, and I don't see it changing now.

[jeweledleah]

what about pulling ME3 teaser and just not showing the face?



that way you avoid the whole issue of default vs custom faces. cover it with a helmet or put it in a shadow like in a teaser.

[Abispa]

I really don't give a damn what image ME uses, I'll still buy the game and none of my Shepards are default. I'm not really sure why so many fans get so emotional about it since chances are most players take advantage of the character editor anyway. Yes, I agree that Hale does a better job than Meer, but it's not like it would ever be HER photo on the box so she can get the credit she so richly deserves. I could just as easily complain about Shepard never been a person of color, which s/he is on every version I've created.

[Abispa]

There is a default female Shepard, by the way. Just hit the default button on the character editor when choosing female. Not bad, but I like my ladies to have more of a tan.

[InvaderErl]

There is but I expect they would want a more detailed face if they're going to put it on the box.

[Abispa]

Maybe I should ask if you think it would matter if on the Mass Effect box there was a picture of a Latina or Black or Asian female Shepard on the cover, and if not, why?

[InvaderErl]

I've honestly no feeling either way. From a MARKETING point of view I'd be shocked if they put anything up than a White FemShep which speaks more to the fact that you can count the number of black/hispanic protagonists in video games that aren't gang bangers on one hand but that's really a discussion about our society than anything else.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 19 février 2011 - 12:07 .

[Tarahiro]

Just make a cover that doesnt have Shep on. Sorted.



Not every game box has to have the character/s on the front. Look at Oblivion as an example.